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Here's another question, who would be okay with some characters dying from your faction, its happened before, I'd welcome it though I'd hope my favourites didn't die.

Now THAT is a question we've seen answered Colour Sergent Kell was slain on Cadia, Creed was Pokeballed, and Cato Sicarious "lost in the warp" in all those cases it was remarked on sure, but I don;'t recall seeing any rage. people accepted it

BrianDavion wrote:
Now THAT is a question we've seen answered Colour Sergent Kell was slain on Cadia, Creed was Pokeballed, and Cato Sicarious "lost in the warp" in all those cases it was remarked on sure, but I don;'t recall seeing any rage. people accepted it

Same with that tau character, Egil Ironwolf and Orven Highfell, my Rout has already taken a beating.

I was surprised they didn’t kill off more characters during fall of Cadia but think they will as the setting moves forward. They need to tidy up some named characters in the game A’s timelines don’t match up.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Now THAT is a question we've seen answered Colour Sergent Kell was slain on Cadia, Creed was Pokeballed, and Cato Sicarious "lost in the warp" in all those cases it was remarked on sure, but I don;'t recall seeing any rage. people accepted it

Same with that tau character, Egil Ironwolf and Orven Highfell, my Rout has already taken a beating.

in the case of people like Egil Ironworl, and Orven Highfell mind you they where names that existed but didn't have a character figure etc. so not quite on the same scale. especially as the great companies new leader has "ekpt the logo the same" now if the new leader had renamed the great company and given it a new logo? yeah that woulda been a biiiiiiiig change.

I did think that was a bit convienieng when I read it. Same name, logo and fighting style. In honour of the previous wolflords honourable sacrifice. Sounded to me like they just died in battle. Nothing overly heroic about it.

Andykp wrote:
I did think that was a bit convienieng when I read it. Same name, logo and fighting style. In honour of the previous wolflords honourable sacrifice. Sounded to me like they just died in battle. Nothing overly heroic about it.

Egili Iron Wolf did die fighting a deamon primarch

BrianDavion wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I did think that was a bit convienieng when I read it. Same name, logo and fighting style. In honour of the previous wolflords honourable sacrifice. Sounded to me like they just died in battle. Nothing overly heroic about it.

Egili Iron Wolf did die fighting a deamon primarch

In a tank! And he did die in an amusing way. Well done Magnus.

Honestly the space wolves current situation, leaderwise isn't a bad one from a hobby POV as it gives two great companies that could easily change their shoulder pad design swiftly, allowing for an easier application of "your guys"

Grey Knights...

So I guess I'd take out my shotgun and go make myself a free bacon sandwich on account of all the flying pigs around.

Question 2:

Eldrad has "died" before, and then came back magically. I wouldn't mind if he went away for good in the fluff. Its not like that prevents you from playing with him, just gotta be a bit more imaginative or use scenarios from the past. If they removed the rules also, then I'd be disappointed.

If GW had a loyal chapter go traitor they would include a split where some remained loyal, allowing players to go either way with their armies.

If WE went traitor... again, that would make them... Loyalists!

Meh, business as usual.

Imagine that though? What if Emps summoned Angron text to speech style and forgave him (for the sole purpose of having a good attack dog again) and Angron accepted it and joined his good ol' dad? I'd be all over that. Corpses for the Corpse Throne!

 darkcloak wrote:
If WE went traitor... again, that would make them... Loyalists!

Meh, business as usual.

Imagine that though? What if Emps summoned Angron text to speech style and forgave him (for the sole purpose of having a good attack dog again) and Angron accepted it and joined his good ol' dad? I'd be all over that. Corpses for the Corpse Throne!

it's not the emperor who needs to forgive Angron though, it's Angron who needs to forgive the Emperor.

 Galas wrote:
A little treacherous in the sense of putting their own agenda before the interest of the Imperium but thats like what everyone barring the Imperial Fists does so....

The Imperial Fists do it too... read Angel Exterminatus and see some of the crap that the Imperial Fists pulled on the Iron Warriors during the great crusade.

w1zard wrote:
The Imperial Fists do it too... read Angel Exterminatus and see some of the crap that the Imperial Fists pulled on the Iron Warriors during the great crusade.

Not to mention the whole Last Wall protocol is itself Dark Angels levels of heresy. "We'll turn back into a Legion any time we decide it's justified" doesn't seem much better than "We're secretly still a Legion anyway."

BrianDavion wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
If WE went traitor... again, that would make them... Loyalists!

Meh, business as usual.

Imagine that though? What if Emps summoned Angron text to speech style and forgave him (for the sole purpose of having a good attack dog again) and Angron accepted it and joined his good ol' dad? I'd be all over that. Corpses for the Corpse Throne!

it's not the emperor who needs to forgive Angron though, it's Angron who needs to forgive the Emperor.

Admittedly, yes, but we all know the Master of Manipulation would turn that gak around on Angron, just so that a few centuries later he could be like 'oh, you're just a tool I'm done using again'. Because fathers are pricks.


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Though I gotta say, 41st millenium mankind is lucky they have a deadbeat dad for a saviour and not a single mother. I mean, at least deadbeat dads aren't around to sleaze the place up and steal their son or daughter in-laws money and sleep on the couch, making it smell like homeless people.

Could you imagine what the Imperium of Man would look like if the Emperor was a stereotypical single mom? The Empress would always be on crusade. Sure gak would get done, but the Imperium would feel neglected and unloved and eventually turn to meth and synthwave.

 Duskweaver wrote:

w1zard wrote:
The Imperial Fists do it too... read Angel Exterminatus and see some of the crap that the Imperial Fists pulled on the Iron Warriors during the great crusade.

Not to mention the whole Last Wall protocol is itself Dark Angels levels of heresy. "We'll turn back into a Legion any time we decide it's justified" doesn't seem much better than "We're secretly still a Legion anyway."

If the current 40k timeline isn’t enough to warrant another last wall protocol I don’t know what is.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Here's another question, who would be okay with some characters dying from your faction, its happened before, I'd welcome it though I'd hope my favourites didn't die.

It'd have no effect whatsoever. Blood Angels, for example, have had a dead character in their army list for at least 2 editions. Tycho died at Armageddon but that doesn't stop anyone using him if they want (semi-related point: the fact he's absolutely terrible in-game stops most people using him). There are other examples of characters who are dead in the current timeline but since the game doesn't have to represent battles fought in the current timeline it's not really an issue.

Factions have also had characters removed from their books over time, and that can cause annoyance. Dark Eldar are a good example - they have 3 special characters because GW can't be bothered sculpting any more for them, but used to have a lot more. The removal of the other characters was annoying but the army carries on regardless.

 darkcloak wrote:
Could you imagine what the Imperium of Man would look like if the Emperor was a stereotypical single mom? The Empress would always be on crusade. Sure gak would get done, but the Imperium would feel neglected and unloved and eventually turn to meth and synthwave.

Ouch, that hit a little close to home.

Slipspace wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Here's another question, who would be okay with some characters dying from your faction, its happened before, I'd welcome it though I'd hope my favourites didn't die.

It'd have no effect whatsoever. Blood Angels, for example, have had a dead character in their army list for at least 2 editions. Tycho died at Armageddon but that doesn't stop anyone using him if they want (semi-related point: the fact he's absolutely terrible in-game stops most people using him). There are other examples of characters who are dead in the current timeline but since the game doesn't have to represent battles fought in the current timeline it's not really an issue.

Factions have also had characters removed from their books over time, and that can cause annoyance. Dark Eldar are a good example - they have 3 special characters because GW can't be bothered sculpting any more for them, but used to have a lot more. The removal of the other characters was annoying but the army carries on regardless.

True. It is a bit crazy that you could have an army with tycho in And bobby g. But that has always been a problem with special characters imo. I think they should kill of more characters so long as their model can be used as a generic version. Like tycho could be a captain so get rid of his profile. Like wise sicarus. Killing bobby g would be unfair on folks who had bought his model.

Andykp wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Here's another question, who would be okay with some characters dying from your faction, its happened before, I'd welcome it though I'd hope my favourites didn't die.

It'd have no effect whatsoever. Blood Angels, for example, have had a dead character in their army list for at least 2 editions. Tycho died at Armageddon but that doesn't stop anyone using him if they want (semi-related point: the fact he's absolutely terrible in-game stops most people using him). There are other examples of characters who are dead in the current timeline but since the game doesn't have to represent battles fought in the current timeline it's not really an issue.

Factions have also had characters removed from their books over time, and that can cause annoyance. Dark Eldar are a good example - they have 3 special characters because GW can't be bothered sculpting any more for them, but used to have a lot more. The removal of the other characters was annoying but the army carries on regardless.

True. It is a bit crazy that you could have an army with tycho in And bobby g. But that has always been a problem with special characters imo. I think they should kill of more characters so long as their model can be used as a generic version. Like tycho could be a captain so get rid of his profile. Like wise sicarus. Killing bobby g would be unfair on folks who had bought his model.

There's nothing preventing you from justifying it by saying Tycho just represents a captain and using the special character rules for him to represent that captain. I prefer to view special characters as ways for the designers to explore the traits and characteristics of the army rather than just being representations of a specific person only.

Just thought I'd mention for Sicarius, he's not MIA any more, I think.

He got lost in the Warp at the start of the Indomitus Crusade, taking Primaris Marines to Ultramar from Terra, and got replaced by Captain Acheran, but by the end of the Indomitus Crusade, Sicarius was part of Guilliman's force that he took to Ultramar during the Plague Wars.

IF GW made one of my armies traitor, I'd probably just have the narrative of my armies take place before they turned traitor. If them being traitor didn't bother me that much, I'd go with it.

Ultramarines turn traitor? Never!

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Just thought I'd mention for Sicarius, he's not MIA any more, I think.

He got lost in the Warp at the start of the Indomitus Crusade, taking Primaris Marines to Ultramar from Terra, and got replaced by Captain Acheran, but by the end of the Indomitus Crusade, Sicarius was part of Guilliman's force that he took to Ultramar during the Plague Wars.

IF GW made one of my armies traitor, I'd probably just have the narrative of my armies take place before they turned traitor. If them being traitor didn't bother me that much, I'd go with it.

yeah but I think that was Haley's mistake due to the space marine codex not being finished by time it was done. we'll see how the future manages it. I mean the main reason he was "lost in the warp" was so GW could paint up a blue UM Primaris captain with gold shoulder trim.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Just thought I'd mention for Sicarius, he's not MIA any more, I think.

He got lost in the Warp at the start of the Indomitus Crusade, taking Primaris Marines to Ultramar from Terra, and got replaced by Captain Acheran, but by the end of the Indomitus Crusade, Sicarius was part of Guilliman's force that he took to Ultramar during the Plague Wars.

IF GW made one of my armies traitor, I'd probably just have the narrative of my armies take place before they turned traitor. If them being traitor didn't bother me that much, I'd go with it.

yeah but I think that was Haley's mistake due to the space marine codex not being finished by time it was done. we'll see how the future manages it. I mean the main reason he was "lost in the warp" was so GW could paint up a blue UM Primaris captain with gold shoulder trim.

As if that's stopped them before?
I do find it kinda amusing and irritating that every Ultramarines Captain seems to be 2nd Company - Severus (Ultramarines movie), Titus (Space Marine video game), Acheran, and all the other Captain models beforehand.

Still, they've actually given a potential fluff reason to have Acheran and Sicarius in the same army, which is good. More room for "your dudes" is good room.

Didn’t know he was back. It’s all a bit muddled now. I do sometimes use special acharcters with my own conversions and fluff.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Here's another question, who would be okay with some characters dying from your faction, its happened before, I'd welcome it though I'd hope my favourites didn't die.

You see I play alpha legion... but seriously we still don't know what happens to omegon and I hope we never know to leave it open ended, as for everyone else, they're all just expendable assets, the hydra only needs one head to survive after all.

 john27 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Here's another question, who would be okay with some characters dying from your faction, its happened before, I'd welcome it though I'd hope my favourites didn't die.

You see I play alpha legion... but seriously we still don't know what happens to omegon and I hope we never know to leave it open ended, as for everyone else, they're all just expendable assets, the hydra only needs one head to survive after all.

I still want it to turn out that Roboute is actually Omegon. Memes coming true.

pm713 wrote:

 john27 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Here's another question, who would be okay with some characters dying from your faction, its happened before, I'd welcome it though I'd hope my favourites didn't die.

You see I play alpha legion... but seriously we still don't know what happens to omegon and I hope we never know to leave it open ended, as for everyone else, they're all just expendable assets, the hydra only needs one head to survive after all.

I still want it to turn out that Roboute is actually Omegon. Memes coming true.

if anything does happen I'd like it to be so that Omegon "splits" himself so to speak making true mini primarchs to lead the legion, how he does it I have no clue, but it fits with the hydra theme, and as space marines have 2 progenoid glands...

w1zard wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Could you imagine what the Imperium of Man would look like if the Emperor was a stereotypical single mom? The Empress would always be on crusade. Sure gak would get done, but the Imperium would feel neglected and unloved and eventually turn to meth and synthwave.

Ouch, that hit a little close to home.

Sorry, totally not the voice of experience talking there either!

Hey, that's one great thing about playing a GW game! No money for drugs!