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Hi all,

What has annoyed you most about players you have played against?

I had a team game and my partner was a random guy who I had not met before but had spoken to online. We agreed to meet up at a 40k store and play a 3v3 game. One of the players was 25 minutes late and had sent no messages to anyone to say he was going to be late. He walks in late and doesn't apologise and doesn't actually say anything, just stands there. He then says halfway through turn 2 that he doesn't want to stay late and will only stay another hour basically meaning the game won't be finished.

So he turns up late without telling anyone he was gonna be late, doesn't say sorry when he arrives and then the game had to end after turn 3 because he didn't want to stay late.

You have to let people walk all over you in order for them to walk all over you.

Next time, ask the other players if theyd like to restart for a game that can actually happen and drop the lost points somewhere

Cheating and not even subtle cheating. I mean blatantly moving his models away from ones about to charge them in the next phase then giving a huge huff about it when I said to stop moving them.

In a 2v2 me and my friend faced 2 brothers who argued loudly with eachother throughout the match (and the entire tournament). We had heard them all matches and and we prayed we would not have to face them. The Gods did not grant our wish.

The game was one sided in their favour, but they also played extremely slowly and every tiny move lead to a rules argument (if we moved) or a family shouting contest (if it was their move). The match was a waste of time

Worst was I had a guy back in fifth who was playing sisters and seemed to be counting on them not being common to make rules up to his advantage in a 2 v 2 tournament. Even his partner seemed turned off by the end of the game.

The only thing that really comes to mind for me is people who insist on massive games and refuse to adjust for games. The group I played with when I first got into the game were absolutely obsessed with massive games. Games became incredibly tedious and only fun for the people insisting on them. You were very lucky to get a game under 3000pts a side which was insane, especially when several people were new to the game and forced into a coalition of people who had no idea what they were doing. One week we were there for about 6 hours and still on the first half of turn two when everyone just left.

People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.

Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.

 gwarsh41 wrote:
People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.

Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.

This can be a tricky one. I always try to be good natured if I'm getting my butt kicked, but I rarely will actually surrender unless it's very late in the game and any further turns are just window dressing. It is a random dice game after all and I've seen some pretty spectacular swings over the years.

Yeah, I'm not going to surrender either, always small victories can be found in big defeats.

People that take things tooo seriously not not seriously enough.

 gwarsh41 wrote:
People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.

Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.

Yeah, I definitely struggled with this in the early high school years of playing, of playing out games I was obviously losing and being really salty about it, to which my opponents very reasonably became annoyed.

My typical response now is to come up with an achievable goal to keep myself amused (I had a game a few weeks ago where I had a GSC army and I was playing against a relatively optimized "2 battalions of chaff+knight" type list, and we played a mission that forced 2/3 of my army to have to roll to come in, breaking up my GSC alpha strike. My opponent got to start the knight on the board, and two turns in it became obvious it wasn't going to go anywhere for me...so I just decided my new objective was just to kill that knight, nothing else.) I will see that goal to completion and happily concede the game, and since typically my little goal will just involve suicidally attempting to take out a large model, and that typically sets us to the end of the game anyway.

Two guys at my local I just WON'T play against (anymore). One took the nasty Eldar list against a kid using two Dark Vengeance sets, chanted "miss miss miss" as the kid attempted to even kill a single unit, and had the nerve to say "oh, well, I'm FORCED to take the not so good core tax of Eldar bikes in this detachment".
Second player invited for a 2v2 game when his friend was there to learn AoS; he stuck his friend with me, and wouldn't even let the guy look at the rules for his own army. Instead of allying with his friend to show him the game, he just controlled both sides of the board and said his friend "wouldn't get it" if he handed him the rules. He also built a list for him, that was absolute trash (I don't mean noncompetitive, I mean nothing worked together with any synergy whatsoever). The fact that he acted like God's gift the gamestore didn't make me want to play against him ever again either.

I have a friend who whines constantly that Tau and Space Wolves arent as good as before.

I wouldnt have an issue with this, except upon later investigation, he is whining about juml shoot jump, using tau vehicles as anti-assault walls, and spamming drop pods of space wolves.

Its ok to complain about a valid issue, but not complain about losing your hyper meta tactics that you used in casual settings.

Love these threads!

*grabs popcorn*

Had an opponent (Flames of War) who had a habit of deciding what you were going to do "because its obvious" and starting to move things "because it saves time", and totally by coincidence does what he wants, then got huffy when I said to put them back, then to put them back where they actually were.

they started out in a nice line so it was hardly difficult.

meh.


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HoundsofDemos wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.

Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.

This can be a tricky one. I always try to be good natured if I'm getting my butt kicked, but I rarely will actually surrender unless it's very late in the game and any further turns are just window dressing. It is a random dice game after all and I've seen some pretty spectacular swings over the years.

Find this can be irritating, unless there is time for a re-rack and a second game, then you may as well give it a go - but if an opponent wants to play it out, heck its a game, play it

I'd prefer to lose and learn something than win and not, when a game goes a bit banannnananaa shaped its the time to try something off the wall just to see what happens

 gwarsh41 wrote:
People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.

Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.

I've had games where I've obviously lost by turn 2 and spent the next 4 turns laughing at it.

 bullyboy wrote:
Yeah, I'm not going to surrender either, always small victories can be found in big defeats.

Could you give any examples of those?


Personaly I droped games even after my opponents turn 1. It aint really fun when you have 3 models left, no abilty to do any damage and your opponent is just milking the game to get extra VP.

the_scotsman wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.

Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.

Yeah, I definitely struggled with this in the early high school years of playing, of playing out games I was obviously losing and being really salty about it, to which my opponents very reasonably became annoyed.

My typical response now is to come up with an achievable goal to keep myself amused (I had a game a few weeks ago where I had a GSC army and I was playing against a relatively optimized "2 battalions of chaff+knight" type list, and we played a mission that forced 2/3 of my army to have to roll to come in, breaking up my GSC alpha strike. My opponent got to start the knight on the board, and two turns in it became obvious it wasn't going to go anywhere for me...so I just decided my new objective was just to kill that knight, nothing else.) I will see that goal to completion and happily concede the game, and since typically my little goal will just involve suicidally attempting to take out a large model, and that typically sets us to the end of the game anyway.

I've definitely had times where I've tried to do things like set fun/achieveable/both goals in a losing game, and then gotten more and more annoyed when the dice decided that I was simply incapable of achieving literally anything. To my opponent, it might've seemed like I was having issues losing, when I was really having issues trying to make losing even that little bit more tolerable. There's only so low you can set the "moral victory" bar

That said, I've had more problems conceding a game against someone who is actively having fun winning. I've played games that have been over by turn 2, and I'd have gladly conceded were it not for the fact that the other guy was having fun mopping up, and I have trouble choosing between my happiness by conceding, and their happiness by letting them keep going. No matter which option I choose, someone loses out, and I've been on the recieving end of enough "It's clear you've won, good game" handshakes when I'm at peak "this is actually really fun for me" to know that it can really kill my enthusiasm to play for a while, and I don't want to do that to someone else.

Getting salty every time is an issue, but sometimes it can be difficult for a player to gauge when to concede, when to keep playing, and for who's benefit. (Or, at least, for my cripplingly socially-anxious ass.)

Personally I've never played a game were I took that much damage turn one that my force was completely wrecked before I even got to do anything. Plus depending on the scenario, you might always win on points. I had one game vs my friends tau which by the end I had two Skittari Rangers and three sisters left, but because I held on till the end actually ended up winning due to drawing two lucky Maelstorm cards.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Personally I've never played a game were I took that much damage turn one that my force was completely wrecked before I even got to do anything. Plus depending on the scenario, you might always win on points. I had one game vs my friends tau which by the end I had two Skittari Rangers and three sisters left, but because I held on till the end actually ended up winning due to drawing two lucky Maelstorm cards.

Have lost on turn one a few times.

Have also one, by one VP, with three models left alive after doing precisely squat to my opponents all armoured force. Was a tasty one, fun game too.

Personally wish they removed the idea of being tabled == defeat, the idea of a heroic last stand managing to pull a victory despite the wipe out appeals

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Personally I've never played a game were I took that much damage turn one that my force was completely wrecked before I even got to do anything. Plus depending on the scenario, you might always win on points. I had one game vs my friends tau which by the end I had two Skittari Rangers and three sisters left, but because I held on till the end actually ended up winning due to drawing two lucky Maelstorm cards.

I think it depends on the army. GK vs eldar for me ends with a near wipe every time they go first, if my opponent gets the table quarter with the ruins and I get the forest part.
But the real problem is not that they wipe you turn 1 or turn 2, but that they stop trying to kill you at all. They spread around the table to get all the seconderies, and what follows is 30-40 min of them scoring stuff, and you doing nothing.

Dealing with people who act like giant man babies and just start picking up models when they're losing without even rolling saves for them really grind my gears.

The kind of guy who walks into a game already assuming they're going to lose and just goes through the motions instead of just saying "Nah, I'll find someone else to play" so they're wasting their own time and mine. And on top of that, they act like a petulant, morose little child about how they're doing if the game doesn't go their way. If they're winning, they're going to gloat and say how bad they're 'steamrolling' their opponent. If they're not, they're the most dour person on the planet, to the point of sucking the fun out of the entire room. It's maddening.

So that's mine. I can put up with a lot, but the above behavior will make it so I never speak to you, let alone play with you.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Oh, so many things...

-People who constantly complain that their army or models are underpowered. If power is all you care about, ask for adjustments ahead of game or play a different army

-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.

-Having poor manners about the game - quitting after turn 1 because you don't think you'll win, pining for past editions, consistently making the same errors, trying to "fix" a mistake you made 2 turns ago by insisting on redoing a slew of things, etc.

/rant

Man, other players can be really annoying. Most are in fact.

-When other people obviously stand really far away from you and refuse to shake your hand after a game.

-When you ask people if they're up for games, but say "oh im only here for like 5 minutes" then play a game with someone else.

-When people criticize your models and say things like "it looks like you just stuck old gum to cardboard". Especially when it's obviously painted clay on cardboard.

SirWeeble wrote:
Man, other players can be really annoying. Most are in fact.

-When other people obviously stand really far away from you and refuse to shake your hand after a game.

-When you ask people if they're up for games, but say "oh im only here for like 5 minutes" then play a game with someone else.

-When people criticize your models and say things like "it looks like you just stuck old gum to cardboard". Especially when it's obviously painted clay on cardboard.

Those first two sound like the things people do at the club to the dude with poor hygiene but they are too polite to say anything.

I avoid a handful of people, but it's mainly because I don't "need" to game to hang out with people. I also never "need" to game, so if I'm gaming it's going to be with people I would like to spend two hours chatting with while we're playing. Doesn't mean you're a dick, but if you smell, are socially annoying, or have a gak attitude, I won't be spending my time with you.

It's one of the benefits of social/casual gaming and being an adult; you can choose who you spend your time with.

"Bad hygiene"- I can tolerate someone being a bit sweaty in a warm room, but there's a distinctive difference between that and someone who obviously hasn't bathed or laundered their clothes in several days. I refuse to play with someone that smells this bad, and if the establishment doesn't do something about it- I leave.

"Let's play a fluffy fun game"- when this happens, it's great... but most of the time, it's someone who's going to put down a competitive list.

"Unsolicited 'help' from people"- It's one thing if we need some help with rules, but I really HATE when backseat generals stand over me or my opponent and start telling us what to do with our models and trying to strategize for me or my opponent.

"Late to tournament/League game" - a few minutes, I can tolerate... but if I've got anything to say, when it hits the 15 minute mark and you're walking in the door- your first game is a loss. 'Starts at [time]' does not mean 'leave the house at that time'.

"Touching models"- please, don't, unless you're asked to. I don't want to know where your hands have been.

"Team Game" - at least when it's one guy playing 2 armies while his 'teammate' stands there holding dice and waiting to be told how many to roll. I understand helping rookies, but stop using your girlfriend/disinterested kid/stoned buddy as an excuse to lay down your two favorite armies in one game.

Adeptus, you missed one...the brand new guy who wants to throw down a 2500 point game with hastily glued minis. Baby steps people...baby steps.

Never had too many issues with 40k players. X-Wing on the other hand?

Oh my freaking god! The nerve of some people!

I once pointed out that the term 'fly casual' was a misnomer in regards to the way it's applied to X-Wing. In the film Han advises Chewie to fly as such, not to make friends with the Star Destroyer, but so as to slip past its defences under the guise of camaraderie. A dirty rebel trick, no doubt! However this soon lead to me being branded a WAAC player. Despite the fact I flew TIE Swarms or Dual Phantoms (after the nerf and meta pushing that list into nigh-unplayability). Hardly WAAC options at all. But, mean ol' DC, can't fly casual. What a badass. Lol.

Sorry I refuse to hold your hand and let you have re-do's. Git gud, noobs!

Most issues are resolved by communicating clearly before and during a game. Establishing clear expectations of what you want from a game and your approach to painting/take backs/competitiveness goes a long way to prevent any horrible surprises. Similarly, if you see any odd play, challenge it but in a tactful way ("Oh, sorry I'm a bit rusty, could you show me that rule - I don't remember it at all")

Yes, there are a disproportionately large number of players in the 40k community with weak social skills (some in this thread), but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. Part of living in society is engaging with different people and being tolerant of different attitudes. You just need to learn how to be polite, diplomatic and empathetic. Just because you think something about someone does not mean you should say it. Obviously there are outliers.