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Chopstick wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't get what the problem with the Ur-Ghul is. I mean, it looks like an Ur-Ghul. What was everyone expecting?

maybe a better pose than 4 of them looking like theyre doing a bad mannequin challenge

Not many people care about some obsucred xenos monkey, so GW can get away giving them the most boring, soulless pose possible. Also the resin one have a lot more weird and complex muscle/bone structure than the new one.

From the perspective of people only looking for Imperial or Chaos models that may be true. For those asking for better representation of xenos, not so much.

The big issue with obscure xenos monkeys is that they are obscure, which means that these may be the only models of obscure xenos monkeys we get in a long, long time. By contrast if the latest Primaris Lieutenant sucks, you can just wait a couple of months and see if you like the next one better.

It's a valid criticism to level at a company that claims it makes the best fantasy miniatures in the world. Whether a model please the larger part of their customers or not, it is representative of GW's work. "Getting away" with a sculpt is not something that meshes with their mission statement.

I think the big problem with the ur-ghuls is more the paint job (and the white background, which works with the other models). The models are actually fairly detailed if you look at the final pictures.

The eye sockets are pretty odd, but the musculature is rather well done. Even the paint job is good (especially the shoulder flecks), but the blue base with white overcoat (and purple with white hands) doesn't stand out at all.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Wondering if GW inadvertently spoiled the Vault surprise - check the description for the limited version of the Blackstone book......

Not seeing it?

On a side note it does seem like some FLGS are getting the GW store freebies to use, I've seen one saying instore collections only, another in order of orders taken BUT they are breaking it up so you get one item not all of them, another charging extra but you get everything and it's still lower than rrp.

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
I mean killzone scector mechanicus is still out of stock (I bought 2 when came out) idk how many months later...IDK if same but if dont pre order prob be out for awhile

Element Games got some in stock a few days ago, I know because I finally got a shipping notice after waiting 6 weeks. The core box and Sector Munitorum are still missing in action.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Wondering if GW inadvertently spoiled the Vault surprise - check the description for the limited version of the Blackstone book......

Not seeing it?

Spoiler:

the limited version has an extra short story "Talisman of Vaul" - long lost weapon from the old ones era said to be created by the Eldar god Vaul....whose story is linked to the Dragon God lore of the Mechanicus. The Heresy series has linked in similar weapons created by gods to kill gods, or those godlike. I'd wager a weapon is in the vault for sure, Both the book and the short story are prequels. My guess with nothing other than gut feeling is that alongside the weapon there is a bearer, and it's linked to the Vigilus Imperium counter attack.

On a side note it does seem like some FLGS are getting the GW store freebies to use, I've seen one saying instore collections only, another in order of orders taken BUT they are breaking it up so you get one item not all of them, another charging extra but you get everything and it's still lower than rrp.

Yeah the Blackstones are the Talisman's of Vaul, and the God-killing weapon themselves. The specific Gods being killed are the Yngir Star vampires, known now as C'tan.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Wondering if GW inadvertently spoiled the Vault surprise - check the description for the limited version of the Blackstone book......

Not seeing it?

Spoiler:

the limited version has an extra short story "Talisman of Vaul" - long lost weapon from the old ones era said to be created by the Eldar god Vaul....whose story is linked to the Dragon God lore of the Mechanicus. The Heresy series has linked in similar weapons created by gods to kill gods, or those godlike. I'd wager a weapon is in the vault for sure, Both the book and the short story are prequels. My guess with nothing other than gut feeling is that alongside the weapon there is a bearer, and it's linked to the Vigilus Imperium counter attack.

On a side note it does seem like some FLGS are getting the GW store freebies to use, I've seen one saying instore collections only, another in order of orders taken BUT they are breaking it up so you get one item not all of them, another charging extra but you get everything and it's still lower than rrp.

Spoiler:

are the Blackstone Fortresses not known as Talismans of Vaul anyway?

Yeah, every reference to them
My personal take

I thought Blackstones were Talismans of Vaul - but thats not all of the Talismans.

Ie all Black stones are Talismans but not all Talismans are Blackstones if you see what I mean?

Lets be honest, the pose of the Ur-Ghul is the most two dimensional and boring pose they could give them. They should have gave them some kind of gollum/sneaky predator pose.
Is not that the model are bad per se but they are like something from 2003's GW, specially compared with everything else in the box.

Yeesh, people are acting like the Ur Ghuls are as bad as the Primaris Librarian. At least they're not monopose AND $35 apiece.

 zend wrote:
Yeesh, people are acting like the Ur Ghuls are as bad as the Primaris Librarian. At least they're not monopose AND $35 apiece.

Well price aside, at least the Primaris Librarian is by far the best Librarian they’ve ever done, while the Ur Ghul is... not one of their best models,

You have a peculiar eye for Librarians if you think that's their best effort

We're talking about this librarian?

It's a pretty cool mini, whats wrong with it?

A million times better than the pathetic Ur-Ghoul

The Primaris librarian looks really bad from the side, but really good from the front (facing the face so to speak). Its all a matter of perspective.

 Elbows wrote:
You have a peculiar eye for Librarians if you think that's their best effort

Yeah I have to modify my statement slightly, the one with pointy staff and cherub is better. Not by much though, the Primaris Lib is one of my favourite Space Marine models.

Just adding a bit of info, it seems Store Freebies are an extra zip bag, 1 dealer coin with a BSF theme, and 2x posters one for a ship chart and other detailing the situation of the blackstone fortress wich it's at the NE side of Ultima Macharia even further away from the core of the Galaxy (wich it's know as an unexplored area)

I didn’t get the zip bag, just two posters and the poker chip.

The Primaris librarian looks like he is wearing a tent

Pre-ordered today at my local GW, very psyched. Looks like an awesome game. Watched the how-to video, mechanics seem fun and the models look great.

The new primaris librarian is awesome, warhammer dudes complain about everything

Most of my friends have given up on dakka, it seems like a bunch of old dudes complaining to complain

Well, looks like a good bit of thought went into this game just beyond an attempt to shove a bunch of minis out the door this time, so I put in for a preorder (via e-bay; gotta get that discount!)

Watched some of the "Learn to play", looks like it will be fun.

I really hope that this is the beginning of Beastmen becoming a force again in 40K.

Im more expecting 2 "catch all" codexs

-Servants of the abyss- traitor guard, dark Mechanicus (mostly same as normal with maybe 2-3 different units each along with strategems) along with more unaligned warp beasts like beastmen, gellarpox and other mutants. Fabius bile might make sense to move to here than being in chaos codex proper. (assuming fabius continues to be unaligned and doesnt retake command of the 3rd legion as his books keep pushing him towards).

-Servants of the Imperium- Rogue traders, inquisition, small factions like squats (Im assuming they will get a necromunda gang fully in future and some might want them with 40k profiles) and ratlings.

Mainly giving them a place to pile in any small units released in these side games, forming a "catch all" faction and letting them bring back some of the smaller factions.

I’m expecting similar, and I think they’re all but a given at this point.

Whether we’ll see everything in BSF fully transition to 40k? I’d actually say probably not.

The Elves from Silver Tower haven’t, and it was mentioned to me at the AoS open day last year that they won’t necessarily get a full army to belong to. Same with Grot Scutlings. At least, so far!

I am very excited for this game. I mean the game looks cool enough, but I’m really hoping it becomes the 40k way to do Warhammer Underworlds style releases.

If GW can do small boxes of 3 to 5 push fit minis with cards as expansions for both player characters and adversaries, I’ll buy everything. I can’t think of a better way for them to start to explore all those things mentioned in the lore, but not suitable for the full 40k army treatment.

Slowly but surely, more and lore is trickling out. What's in the vaults, where the fortress is, slowly making its way to us.

For what’s in the mystery envelope, please please please use spoiler tags

Please

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For what’s in the mystery envelope, please please please use spoiler tags

Please

That needs to be reiterated.

But some of the lore like just where Blackstone is or Precipice's relationship to it is probably worth sharing.

At least spoiler tags outside of the Background sub-forum

That I can happily avoid on me own. But elsewhere, pls pls pls!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
At least spoiler tags outside of the Background sub-forum

That I can happily avoid on me own. But elsewhere, pls pls pls!

I won't spoil much aside that apart from the info inside of the envelope it also can effect future BSF playruns, so i won't be surprised if in the future GW releases a collection of all those secrets.