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If the contents of envelope are not some big reveal for 40K, then I'd prefer to leave it closed and wait til I finish the game. Otherwise I think I wouldn't be able to wait that long to know what the reveal is

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Just took a look at the minis on the GW site, and while I will probably never get the game, I may have to nab the traitor Guard as they'd make really good Blood Pact for skirmish gaming.

I was quite interested in this game but sadly not all minis were my cup of tea. This means turning down the game. Here is a list of my thoughts about the minis:

Great
Robot
Traitor Guard
Beastmen

Okay
Other characters apart from Robot, Kroot & Ratlings
Robot drones
Ur-Ghul
New CSM

Bad
Kroot
Ratlings


Another thing that rubbed me the wrong way was Becca Scott presenting the game on Warhammer TV. Why? Well, before the White Knights crawl out of their holes to accuse me of being a women hater just let me explain my view. I have absolutely no problem when attractive women are active in spheres that were dominated in the past exclusively by males. An example which comes to mind is soccer. Nowadays women interview players right after the match, during sport talk-shows or even comment a whole male soccer game. This is fine as they show both competence, a sincere love for their job and provide eye candy for the audience. So in this way program directors make sure that their quota is fulfilled and I have absolutely no issue with this.

But now back to the Warhammer TV demo. I get the feeling that her excitement about the game is forced, over the top and therefore not genuine. So she is placed in this spot by GW suits to lure geeks in. I get that. I guess, if she would tone down her excitement a little bit then I would be fine with her performance. What are your thoughts about this?

Pretty sure nobody else really cares.

I agree Becca Scott is overacting a bit. But she's been doing the how-to-play videos for GW for a while now, so I don't think it's a surprise to see her host this one.

Why did GW choose her in the first place to do these videos? I don't know. From what I understand she does quite a lot of similar videos for other companies, and is an actress with an actual interest in board games. So it's certainly not an odd choice.
I suppose no one at WarCom had the proper skills to do it (not sure how much acting is required for that though), or maybe Becca Scott is actually renowned enough that putting her name on the video brings value to it.

Well, I think it is certainly telling that her performance, looks and credentials are scrutinised in way male presenters' never are...

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7atuZxmT954kvCRXxi8klz8_RSftIB4I

She does this professionally. Game the Game is a long running series on Geek and Sundry (44 episodes so far), not including stuff like this which she does independently.

She's "placed in this spot" (no, that isn't demeaning at all) because she's one of the most qualified people to do it: she's made a business out of doing overviews and introductions to boardgames.

fresus wrote:
I agree Becca Scott is overacting a bit. But she's been doing the how-to-play videos for GW for a while now, so I don't think it's a surprise to see her host this one.

Why did GW choose her in the first place to do these videos? I don't know. From what I understand she does quite a lot of similar videos for other companies, and is an actress with an actual interest in board games. So it's certainly not an odd choice.
I suppose no one at WarCom had the proper skills to do it (not sure how much acting is required for that though), or maybe Becca Scott is actually renowned enough that putting her name on the video brings value to it.

She's got experience in the field of board games, is a great presenter, and is keeping it simple so that anyone of any age can watch the video and follow along. It's a style that may not appeal to those that prefer not to have things slowed down, but it's a style that brings gamers unfamiliar with these types of games along at a good and steady pace. Nothing is lost, no rule is overlooked, everything is explained.

Though I have a feeling if Duncan or Peachy did the same thing, fewer would complain. Something about having an extra X in their cells or whatever.

fresus wrote:

Why did GW choose her in the first place to do these videos? I don't know. From what I understand she does quite a lot of similar videos for other companies, and is an actress with an actual interest in board games. So it's certainly not an odd choice.

More exposure to the non-gw customer but like Board game to general(in this case Geek and Sundry viewers). Geek and Sundry is the largest Tabletop channel on Twitch ever, with insane amount of subscribers.

Duncan and Peach, or watever GW employers do not have that kind of exposure or popularity amongs the non-gw community, nobody outside of this hobby knows who these people are, nobody outside of this hobby follow them on social media. If you are a GW customer, you knew about the game already.

Think people also need to consider the concept of marketing, and what it’s meant to achieve.

It’s not just GW. And she’s some millions of miles away from BARRY SCOTT.

 Crimson wrote:
Well, I think it is certainly telling that her performance, looks and credentials are scrutinised in way male presenters' never are...

bs. You think if Wil Wheaton did the video, he wouldn't get just as much (or more) criticism? Geeks tend to be extremely critical towards those they see as fake Geeks. This has always been the case. Has nothing to do with gender. Fake enthusiasm just grates on the nerves. It seems like the Warhammer TV crew is having fun while Becca Scott seems to be screaming internally.

Edit: That being the case, I think she does a fine job. There are few things in this world that I hate more than trying to explain game rules to people who refuse to read the rulebook. Any screaming internally would be completely justified. It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.

 Crimson wrote:
Well, I think it is certainly telling that her performance, looks and credentials are scrutinised in way male presenters' never are...

That's because women are largely still perceived as an anomaly in this hobby. It's not really surprising, but apparently a great excuse to make this about sexism.

OK, do you lot not know who Becca Scott is?
She’s been doing Let’s Plays and How To Plays for Geek and Sundry for years. This is just GW picking up an established micro-celebrity and format and getting her to do something she would already have done but on their terms.
The over-acting and, frankly, unnecessary enthusiasm is her style and always has been, from what I can tell; no matter the game or genre.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Think people also need to consider the concept of marketing, and what it’s meant to achieve.

It’s not just GW. And she’s some millions of miles away from BARRY SCOTT.

BANG AND THE HERETIC IS GONE!

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Well, I think it is certainly telling that her performance, looks and credentials are scrutinised in way male presenters' never are...

bs. You think if Wil Wheaton did the video, he wouldn't get just as much (or more) criticism? Geeks tend to be extremely critical towards those they see as fake Geeks. This has always been the case. Has nothing to do with gender. Fake enthusiasm just grates on the nerves. It seems like the Warhammer TV crew is having fun while Becca Scott seems to be screaming internally.

Men are almost never accused of being 'fake geeks' whilst women with extensive nerd credentials often are. There is absolutely no question that Becca is an board game expert. Why was no one questioning whether Duncan was hired only for his good looks, whether his enthusiasm for Imperial Knights was annoying overacting or whether Peachy even knows how to play 40K? The whole 'fake geek' thing is just hostile gatekeeping, and often based on misogyny.

Placed a pre-order at my FLGS yesterday. Really looking forward to this.

As for the current hot topic of Becca Scott: personally I have no interest in watching how-to-play videos of any kind as I find them boring, but getting someone to do it who's established and who potentially brings their own audience with them makes perfect sense, IMO.

 Flinty wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Think people also need to consider the concept of marketing, and what it’s meant to achieve.

It’s not just GW. And she’s some millions of miles away from BARRY SCOTT.

BANG AND THE HERETIC IS GONE!

A bit of wee just came out.

Some of us aren't thirsty for boobies at all costs and would rather have a skillful and genuine presenter. Which could totally have been a woman if she had any talent other than looks.

Becca Scott does not. Her forced enthusiasm is just cringy to watch. She thrives in this industry because of her gender, she was picked for the video because of her gender. GW made this about gender, not the people complaining about her.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Some of us aren't thirsty for boobies at all costs and would rather have a skillful and genuine presenter. Which could totally have been a woman if she had any talent other than looks.

Becca Scott does not. Her forced enthusiasm is just cringy to watch. She thrives in this industry because of her gender, she was picked for the video because of her gender. GW made this about gender, not the people complaining about her.

No, it is pretty clear that it is people like you who make this about the gender. This is typical twisted misogynist logic, if woman is successful, it is only because of looks.

Back on topic please people.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sure nobody else really cares.

I agree.... This seems like a non issue.

 BrookM wrote:
Back on topic please people.

Thank you.

Got mine pre-ordered and will push some of those minis to the front of the painting queue.

So who else is going to chop the top-knot off of the Chaos leader?

Article about the art of the game: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/11/11th-nov-the-art-of-blackstone-fortressgw-homepage-post-1/

Dainton is the best.

Jesus, what happened to those Marines. Did they take a few days off and bring in some Stormcast to sub, or just *really* skipped leg day? o_0

It's a lovely "holding court" scene, but those Marines are downright dainty.

drbored wrote:
So who else is going to chop the top-knot off of the Chaos leader?

Why is this bothering you?

 Crimson wrote:
Well, I think it is certainly telling that her performance, looks and credentials are scrutinised in way male presenters' never are...

Yup, I actually agree that the over enthusiasm in the video is insincere and annoying, but no more so than Duncan and Peachy in the same video. You really think they’ve never seen the game before and are learning to play for the first time? That they’re really that excited about the inspiration mechanic?

Though far more annoying than any of that is the director, seemingly the same one who does the Warhammer Conquest videos, who seems to go “hey, perform into this camera, then we will film you from a different one from the side.” I know it’s to break up the to camera bits but it’s horribly artificial and annoying.

 Strg Alt wrote:

drbored wrote:
So who else is going to chop the top-knot off of the Chaos leader?

Why is this bothering you?

Just not a fan of the aesthetic of the top knot. I get that it's Abaddon's thing, but on other Chaos Marines it looks... goofy to me. Just personal preference.

I think that the chaos lord will look more badass as bald.