Warhammer {{{40k}}} Quest - Blackstone Fortress

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**Tiberius501**

*cluches heart* Kill Team rules... *falls to knees* ...Kill Team rules... *dies happy*

**Yodhrin**

Zywus wrote:
EnTyme wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:

Couldn't agree more. How can ''complaining about something and making a company take actions to resolve the complaints'' be viewed in a negative light?
It seems that for some, anything else than blindly accepting and agreeing with every actions of GW is nothing less than a sin

The fact you can't separate "giving feedback" and "complaining" tells us everything we need to know about this fanbase.

Well, what would you say is the difference?

Oh that's easy - if they agree with it, it's fair and genuine feedback, and if they disagree or don't care, it's mindless complaining.

**streetsamurai**

EnTyme wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:

Couldn't agree more. How can ''complaining about something and making a company take actions to resolve the complaints'' be viewed in a negative light?
It seems that for some, anything else than blindly accepting and agreeing with every actions of GW is nothing less than a sin

The fact you can't separate "giving feedback" and "complaining" tells us everything we need to know about this fanbase.

For GW fanboys such as yourself, every feedback that is marginally negative is viewed as whining or complaining

**EnTyme**

Tone and content.

"Grey Knights suck! Fix them!" is complaining.

"Grey Knights aren't working with the current rules. I feel like they have been unfairly affected by the recent nerfs to Deep Strike and Smite. Could we look at some possible ways for them to get around those nerfs such as an exception to the Deep Strike restrictions or stacking Smite cost? Maybe even some points reductions" is feedback.

**Galef**

EnTyme wrote:
Tone and content.

"Grey Knights suck! Fix them!" is complaining.

"Grey Knights aren't working with the current rules. I feel like they have been unfairly affected by the recent nerfs to Deep Strike and Smite. Could we look at some possible ways for them to get around those nerfs such as an exception to the Deep Strike restrictions or stacking Smite cost? Maybe even some points reductions" is feedback.

Agreed.
Complaining is not constructive beyond saying there is a problem with no further suggestion of a solution. Just a demand to fix it.
Feedback describes why X is a problem and usually presents possible solutions as part of the request to fix the problem.

Tone and content, indeed

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**streetsamurai**

Galef wrote:
EnTyme wrote:
Tone and content.

"Grey Knights suck! Fix them!" is complaining.

"Grey Knights aren't working with the current rules. I feel like they have been unfairly affected by the recent nerfs to Deep Strike and Smite. Could we look at some possible ways for them to get around those nerfs such as an exception to the Deep Strike restrictions or stacking Smite cost? Maybe even some points reductions" is feedback.
Agreed.
Complaining is not constructive beyond saying there is a problem with no further suggestion of a solution. Just a demand to fix it.
Feedback describes why X is a problem and usually presents possible solutions as part of the request to fix the problem.

Tone and content, indeed

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Yes

but since GW has a ton of customers, it's pretty much a given that theyll receive constructive feedback and useless feedback. And even some ''complaining'' is precious info for a company, cause it can show them where they can make some improvements.

**BrookM**

Can we get back on topic please.

**Geifer**

Might be of interest to someone: Black Library's advent calendar thingy has three stories for Blackstone Fortress.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/21/coming-soon-the-2018-black-library-advent-calendar/

Finally, this year’s Advent Calendar also includes a trio of tales from the heart of the Blackstone Fortress, each focusing on different explorers who brave the twisting labyrinths and xenos horrors that wait within. Rein and Raus, the Ratling twins, will face their past on Precipice, and Taddeus the Purifier will be tested to the limits of his faith in the God-Emperor. And then there’s a story about UR-025, the “Imperial Robot”…

**Mr Morden**

Geifer wrote:
Might be of interest to someone: Black Library's advent calendar thingy has three stories for Blackstone Fortress.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/21/coming-soon-the-2018-black-library-advent-calendar/

Finally, this year’s Advent Calendar also includes a trio of tales from the heart of the Blackstone Fortress, each focusing on different explorers who brave the twisting labyrinths and xenos horrors that wait within. Rein and Raus, the Ratling twins, will face their past on Precipice, and Taddeus the Purifier will be tested to the limits of his faith in the God-Emperor. And then there’s a story about UR-025, the “Imperial Robot”…

Seems to be quite a few of interst to me - Neferata especially and the one about UR-025 sounds fun!

**Dirk**

I got it, looks cool, the box is smaller then killteam or shadow war and the sprues take up a surprisingly small space.

**AndrewGPaul**

The Silver Tower and Shadows Over Hammerhal boxes are also shallower than those - the scenery sprues take up a lot of room.

**BrookM**

From the WarCom insta account:

Hopefully WarCom will have a nice wallpaper variant up sooner or later.

**tinbee**

Cool! Any idea who the person in the stained glass window is?

**Insane Ivan**

tinbee wrote:
Cool! Any idea who the person in the stained glass window is?

I'm guessing Random Techpriest 337/94-β

**thenoobbomb**

Just picked up my box. Anyone else set appears to be missing the Hidden Vault envelope thing?

**phillv85**

Just got mine in the post. The hidden vault envelope is pretty small, but it's there on mine. It's a green/black image with a spindle drone on the front, and only when you turn it over did I realise what it is.

**thenoobbomb**

phillv85 wrote:
Just got mine in the post. The hidden vault envelope is pretty small, but it's there on mine. It's a green/black image with a spindle drone on the front, and only when you turn it over did I realise what it is.

Was it packed in between the game's cards, or just lodged in the box individually? The latter seems to be the case in all the unboxings I've seen and it's definitely not the case with my box, at least

**Galas**

Wasnt the eldar ranger a girl?

**phillv85**

thenoobbomb wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
Just got mine in the post. The hidden vault envelope is pretty small, but it's there on mine. It's a green/black image with a spindle drone on the front, and only when you turn it over did I realise what it is.

Was it packed in between the game's cards, or just lodged in the box individually? The latter seems to be the case in all the unboxings I've seen and it's definitely not the case with my box, at least

Just in there individually, bit of a fether if they've missed it out of yours.

**thenoobbomb**

Thanks for the confirmation of my suspicions

's a shame, yeah! I'll give them a poke.

**hobojebus**

Galas wrote:
Wasnt the eldar ranger a girl?

It's 2018 man bewbs don't mean female, trust but verify.

**Garion**

Got my box. The minis are really really awesome

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

hobojebus wrote:
Galas wrote:
Wasnt the eldar ranger a girl?

It's 2018 man bewbs don't mean female, trust but verify.

I don’t get it.

You’re going to need to explain.

**spiralingcadaver**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
hobojebus wrote:
Galas wrote:
Wasnt the eldar ranger a girl?

It's 2018 man bewbs don't mean female, trust but verify.

I don’t get it.

You’re going to need to explain.

A comma would have clarified, but I believe hobo was referring to cross-dressing, trans people, etc.?

**Ghaz**

Blackstone Fortress Designers' Commentary is live.

**BrookM**

Managed to pick mine up today and stuck together half of the models included, will do the rest tomorrow evening then dive into the crunch of the game. Interesting to see them split the rules of the game into three separate booklets.

**Mr_Rose**

Check out Twitch, they’re running a BF game without Becca Scott and they seem like they’re having a bunch more fun.

**phillv85**

I finished glueing mine earlier. Who decided to make spiky as hell push fit models?

**Luciferian**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Check out Twitch, they’re running a BF game without Becca Scott and they seem like they’re having a bunch more fun.

Becca Scott hams it up a bit much but as far as keeping the rules straight and managing the players she's actually one of the best wargame/rpg let's play presenters I've ever seen. Guess that's why she works for GW instead of being some schlub with a YouTube channel.

I can't wait to get my box but it hasn't even shipped yet

**BrookM**

phillv85 wrote:
I finished glueing mine earlier. Who decided to make spiky as hell push fit models?

Sadistic people, very sadistic people indeed.