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2020/02/22 01:28:47
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Watching this with the wife at the moment. I've never played the games or read the books, so I sort of feel a little thrown in at the deep end. the story is compelling if a little confusing with the disparate timelines, and I have no real clue what witchers 'are' other than monster killers. I feel like the backstory needs fleshing out more.
It's touched on a bit in the show in the same way that it's touched on in the books and games until you are a bit of the way in. I don't think they REALLY explain what witchers actually are until the 3rd game.
Witchers are collected as kids by other witchers, taken as payment for jobs they do, orphans they adopt, or whatever.
The kids are then put through the medieval fantasy version of the spartan program from Halo. Rigorous study and physical training. They learn all about the various monsters and their weaknesses. Massive amounts of obstacle courses, stamina, reaction speed, and fighting with various weapons training. They learn poisons, cures, and some alchemy. They learn a few "hand sign" spells. Just brief little things.Nothing even remotely close to what a actual mage can do but it helps.
This is topped off at some point (still as kids) when they go through a mutagenic process that is "stabilized" with spells (with the aid of a sorceress or wizard) that augments them. They live longer (potentially hundreds of years), have enhanced reflexes, and a resistance to toxic substances which allows them to drink their potions and other alchemical mixtures that would kill a normal person. Maybe 3 in 10 children survive this process? More training and study and then a final set of trials. This last set usually kills off 1 or 2 of the surviving 3. Those that make it out the other end are given a necklace pendant that marks them as a full witcher. It has some properties that are not super important but they are shaped like whatever school they graduated from. Geralt comes from the school of the Wolf. The Serpent, the Cat, the Gryphon are some of the others. At the time of the stories witchers are more or less dieing out. Not just because of how dangerous their lives are but because people hate them for being mutants and they are just as often killed by the people they are working for as they are the monsters they hunt. Some of the schools have lost the ability to make more witchers. Either because the process has been lost, or the wizard/sorceress support is gone, or the mutagens have become increasingly rare. Other things.
Its also worth noting that the various Witchers in game 3 also seem to regard the loss of the ability to make Witchers as a good thing. There are... 4? total left in the Wolf school, and between the main quest line and some ghost chasing in old ruins, its pretty clear they regard the process as torture and cruelty. And the ghosts segment doesn't paint the training in a much better light.
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2020/02/22 07:41:30
Subject: Re:The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2020/04/12 12:30:50
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
. wellll we all know it is an expensive addiction eh ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2020/05/31 04:32:24
Subject: Re:The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
As for the plagiarism critique I find that the guy totally misses the point, which isn't surprising for me as he isn't Polish The characters and the world in the Witcher are pretty generic for a reason - the point of the books was more to play with masterfully stylized Polish language and references to Polish stereotypical traits of character and ways of thinking.
To be honest, many years ago, long before any of the CP games, when I was re-reading the books, I regretted that thay are probably un-translatable, both when it comes to the language and the references.
There's a reason that the Witcher series are a suggested reading for Polish classes at school - the language and the references matter, because I don't think there's much to study when it comes to the plot or characters.
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2020/07/01 12:43:37
Subject: Re:The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
The language thing would certainly explain some of the clunkier bits of the English versions, Ive only read The Last Wish off the back of the first game and theres bits where the translation falls between literal and trying to bend the words as best they can
and anyhoo pilfering from Moorcock is fine, if its good enough for gw...
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"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
2020/07/02 04:16:12
Subject: Re:The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
'Dude with sword takes drugs to help fight' is roughly the sum total similarity between the characters.
Flipped through the comments for some of gist, much to my regret.
Since this seems to be a major topic: fantasy multiverse theory is solidly public domain. Way too many people use it to claim 'plagiarism.' and 'conjunction of the spheres' wanders all the way back to Ptolemaic astrology/astronomy*, reused heavily in medieval astrology and even referenced a fair bit by Shakespeare.
*the spheres being the moon, mercury, venus, the sun, mars, jupiter, saturn and 'the fixed stars.' (probably just the north star now, but his measurements would have been a little less precise).
A conjunction was when two (or more) lined up from a point on Earth.
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2020/07/02 06:57:56
Subject: Re:The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
Elric is a Demon summoning, Demon Worshipping inhuman albino Emperor of a nation that enslaved the whole world with Demon sword that steals the Souls of those he fights adn more impotantly those he loves who also rides Dragons. He is also physically weak without his drugs or lifedraining sword - is renowned for his cultured speech and book learning.
From what I have seen of the Witcher - he is very very different.
Elric is closer to someone like Malekith or Maleus Darkblade or someone from the Malaz Book of the Fallen or even Daenrys Targaryian
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
BaconCatBug wrote: I see none of you bothered to watch the video, since he explains pretty clearly all your points to the contrary.
I mean, I made it 15 minutes in. He discussed some of the things people brought up, by loudly and obnoxiously mocking them and then just pointing back to how they are both white with a sword. That seemed to be his only argument. Elric and Geralt are both white and they both use swords.
2020/07/02 09:45:57
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
BaconCatBug wrote: I see none of you bothered to watch the video, since he explains pretty clearly all your points to the contrary.
I mean, I made it 15 minutes in. He discussed some of the things people brought up, by loudly and obnoxiously mocking them and then just pointing back to how they are both white with a sword. That seemed to be his only argument. Elric and Geralt are both white and they both use swords.
And like is said in the video, all that is needed for a slam dunk court case is a name, and an appearance. All the OTHER proven examples are just icing on the cake.
2020/07/03 03:04:12
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
No 'court' would make a plagiarism ruling based on a single name or appearance. There has to be real substance (like directly just lifting and copying text in significant chunks), particularly with fiction, and an accusation would need to provide a pile of evidence that allegedly plagiarized bits were only ever used by the supposed original author and never in the public domain (history or myth particularly).
This is particularly true since plagiarism isn't actually criminal in most countries, but a matter of academic and journalism ethics. Copyright infringement is more likely to apply, if anything.
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2020/07/03 04:42:09
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
BaconCatBug wrote: I see none of you bothered to watch the video, since he explains pretty clearly all your points to the contrary.
I mean, I made it 15 minutes in. He discussed some of the things people brought up, by loudly and obnoxiously mocking them and then just pointing back to how they are both white with a sword. That seemed to be his only argument. Elric and Geralt are both white and they both use swords.
I was the same - lots of swearing cos its cool......
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
BaconCatBug wrote: So, you were provided evidence but refuse to accept it because you dislike the format it was given in?
I shall deliver my one hour long rebuttal via punching your face in Morse code. You wouldn’t refuse to accept that just because of the format, would you?
2020/07/03 10:17:34
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
BaconCatBug wrote: So, you were provided evidence but refuse to accept it because you dislike the format it was given in?
I shall deliver my one hour long rebuttal via punching your face in Morse code. You wouldn’t refuse to accept that just because of the format, would you?
Well, no because that is a fundamental violation of my rights. A slightly sweary video isn't.
How about the the Witcher Plagiarism video by The Necrolibriatas he referenced at the beginning:
2020/07/03 18:07:31
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
It started filming just before lockdown and recent interviews with Henry Cavill indicate filming is due to restart fairly soon. So all signs point to yes at the moment.
2020/07/03 22:56:25
Subject: Re:The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
Mr Morden wrote:Elric is a Demon summoning, Demon Worshipping inhuman albino Emperor of a nation that enslaved the whole world with Demon sword that steals the Souls of those he fights adn more impotantly those he loves who also rides Dragons.
...
Elric is closer to someone like Malekith or Maleus Darkblade or someone from the Malaz Book of the Fallen or even Daenrys Targaryian
In the first half my first thought was "So he's basically Anomandar Rake with his hair/skin color reversed?"
BaconCatBug wrote:I see none of you bothered to watch the video, since he explains pretty clearly all your points to the contrary.
Nope. Seems like YouTube drivel from some hack who couldn't make it producing anything worthwhile. Had enough of that back in the Star Trek threads. I'll just take your word that the video is what it is.
BaconCatBug wrote:So, you were provided evidence but refuse to accept it because you dislike the format it was given in?
Evidence exists for many things. Doesn't mean it's convincing evidence. Or particularly compelling given how readily any number of fantasy heroes (Geralt, Anomander Rake, whoever the feth this bloke we're on about is, Dritz, Aragon, etc. etc.) are all fairly samey when you stand them next to each other. You'd have to be a genre devotee to tell the lot of them apart, otherwise it's just a meme trotted out by someone desperately seeking attention. Nevermind the fact that this applies to basically all genres and most heroic protagonists. Most of them are fairly interchangeable... *idea for a fanfic*
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BaconCatBug wrote: I see none of you bothered to watch the video, since he explains pretty clearly all your points to the contrary.
I mean, I made it 15 minutes in. He discussed some of the things people brought up, by loudly and obnoxiously mocking them and then just pointing back to how they are both white with a sword. That seemed to be his only argument. Elric and Geralt are both white and they both use swords.
And like is said in the video, all that is needed for a slam dunk court case is a name, and an appearance. All the OTHER proven examples are just icing on the cake.
I mean, if that is all they needed for a Slam Dunk Court Case, then Moorcock would have won his court case when it was in court.
So I guess the courts didn't see this video?
2020/07/04 05:33:02
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
Geralt and the Witchers have more in common with the Master Chief and the Spartans of Halo then anything else.
Taken as children, put through intense physical and mental training. Training that many don't survive. Augmented genetically by science/magic that kills even more of them, given specialized equipment and then finally made into weapons to defend the regular populace from a threat the regular populace can't handle themselves.
What Witchers go through is the Spartan program for monster hunters. Except Halo came out after Witcher. So whos ripping off who?
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2020/07/04 05:45:34
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
BaconCatBug wrote: I see none of you bothered to watch the video, since he explains pretty clearly all your points to the contrary.
I mean, I made it 15 minutes in. He discussed some of the things people brought up, by loudly and obnoxiously mocking them and then just pointing back to how they are both white with a sword. That seemed to be his only argument. Elric and Geralt are both white and they both use swords.
And like is said in the video, all that is needed for a slam dunk court case is a name, and an appearance. All the OTHER proven examples are just icing on the cake.
I mean, if that is all they needed for a Slam Dunk Court Case, then Moorcock would have won his court case when it was in court.
So I guess the courts didn't see this video?
What court case? You mean the one Moorcock didn't pursue because he doesn't actually care if people rip off his stuff? You know, that is in the video too. You really should watch it before making statements.
2020/07/04 07:08:38
Subject: Re:The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
BaconCatBug wrote: I see none of you bothered to watch the video, since he explains pretty clearly all your points to the contrary.
I mean, I made it 15 minutes in. He discussed some of the things people brought up, by loudly and obnoxiously mocking them and then just pointing back to how they are both white with a sword. That seemed to be his only argument. Elric and Geralt are both white and they both use swords.
And like is said in the video, all that is needed for a slam dunk court case is a name, and an appearance. All the OTHER proven examples are just icing on the cake.
I mean, if that is all they needed for a Slam Dunk Court Case, then Moorcock would have won his court case when it was in court.
So I guess the courts didn't see this video?
What court case? You mean the one Moorcock didn't pursue because he doesn't actually care if people rip off his stuff? You know, that is in the video too. You really should watch it before making statements.
No, the one where he contacted his attorney and his attorney never even responded to him about it. Because he knew that a case about superficial similarities is pretty much crap and dead in the water. So much for that Slam Dunk Court Case. You should read more about Razorbros first video he made in 2014. The one that everybody just shrugged off as crap, even the forums dedicated to Moorcock decided this was a bunch of crap. Nobody listens to this guy.
2020/07/04 18:34:56
Subject: The Witcher TV Series on Netflix trailer page 8
The characters and the world in the Witcher are pretty generic for a reason - the point of the books was more to play with masterfully stylized Polish language and references to Polish stereotypical traits of character and ways of thinking.
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