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 Ghaz wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Do you mean the "suggestion" that is taken as gospel and a change to Matched Play as a whole despite that?.

That's on the players limiting the number of units, not Games Workshop.

Doesn't change the fact that it's hardly a suggestion for the vast majority of players.

Wayniac wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Do you mean the "suggestion" that is taken as gospel and a change to Matched Play as a whole despite that?.

That's on the players limiting the number of units, not Games Workshop.

Doesn't change the fact that it's hardly a suggestion for the vast majority of players.

And did you read what I was replying to?

 Eldarsif wrote:
To be fair GW did put the Limit of 3 in 40k so they are not entire beyond applying limits.

Again, that's on the players for using a suggestion for tournaments and not Games Workshop.

I’m thinking of taking the plunge and starting an AoS balance thread. Anyone interested?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I’m thinking of taking the plunge and starting an AoS balance thread. Anyone interested?

Yeah sure. Let's move that rant out of here.

So new khorne stuff looks neat. The anti wizard theme gives them a defensive boost against magical mortal wound spew and keeps enemy buffs down.

Thats a plus.

The downside so far is that I see nothing that really makes the mortal side viable as a faction still and that you'll still be doing mostly demons for the heavy lifting.

Which is ironic considering the cover.

The downside so far is that I see nothing that really makes the mortal side viable as a faction still and that you'll still be doing mostly demons for the heavy lifting.

They haven't revealed much of anything so it is too soon to tell. My guess is that we'll start seeing reveals beginning of next weeks as preorders go up now on Saturday.

Back to the original post about General Discussion. I have been seeing a few tactics/tactica threads pop up and I was wondering if there should be tactics thread for all tomes released in the last year to consolidate both discussion of tactics, issues, and general complaints about the related faction.

I agree iits too soon to tell. However, as this is the third iteration of the book and the first two made mortals pretty much enhancement talent for stormcast players to look good against, my asssumption is that until they throw a review showiing how they buffed mortals that they will continue to be business as usual (take the priests and bloodsecrator, fill out the rest with blood thirsters and blood letters)

Honestly, there are a few changes that NEED to be in the Khorne book; the Skullcrushers need to be Mortal/Daemonic and so do the Mighty Lord of Khorne/Khorgas Khul models. All three of the other gods have these combo units (Hellstriders of Slaanesh, tzaangor enlightened on disc, gaunt summoner on disc, Pusgoyle Blightlords). Khorne, being the first, wasn’t given this combo kit, but these two units specifically deserve it. Valkia does too, actually. She died. She’s Daemonic at this point. Or at least half Daemon.

Valkia needs a new model. That finecast trash model iis an embarrassment.

It hasn’t aged well at all.

Also, isn’t she supposed to be a demon prince?

Princess, but yes. She’s supposed to be Khorne’s consort/bride.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/12/mar-12-battletome-preview-blades-of-khorne-big-changesgw-homepage-post-2/

Well Skarbrand is going to be seen quite a bit.


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They upped the brass stampede it looks like. And skarbrand. Sadly doesn't look like reavers, blood warriors, or that chaos lord of khorne are going to be coming off the shelf still.

auticus wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/12/mar-12-battletome-preview-blades-of-khorne-big-changesgw-homepage-post-2/

Well Skarbrand is going to be seen quite a bit.


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They upped the brass stampede it looks like. And skarbrand. Sadly doesn't look like reavers, blood warriors, or that chaos lord of khorne are going to be coming off the shelf still.

Wonder how many people will commit heresy and mix khorne and tzeentch?
Fateweavers Oracle ability could make skarbrand even more amusing.

"So your big model has 16 wounds and no save against mortal wounds eh? That roll is now a 6"

They upped the brass stampede it looks like. And skarbrand. Sadly doesn't look like reavers, blood warriors, or that chaos lord of khorne are going to be coming off the shelf still.

Wouldn't rule it out completely. They are not going to drop their entire load on the first run or completely before the book is out.

I personally am expecting that Bloodreavers will stop being buffed by a totem wielder and will be buffed by a hero instead.

auticus wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/12/mar-12-battletome-preview-blades-of-khorne-big-changesgw-homepage-post-2/

Well Skarbrand is going to be seen quite a bit.


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They upped the brass stampede it looks like. And skarbrand. Sadly doesn't look like reavers, blood warriors, or that chaos lord of khorne are going to be coming off the shelf still.

Ehh... The bit about updated warscrolls seemed to me like they were saying the mortal ones are getting buffed. Think about it; a good chunk of the daemon scrolls were already updated in wrath & rapture. I feel like GW wants to see those mortal models on the table and will make changes to see that happen.

Skarbrand already murdered everything he touched, him murdering things a different way won't change things.

Yes yes. Patience and wait until the book drops to see all of the warscrolls first.

Skarbrand sucks now (unless you're mixing and putting him with Kairos, as pointed out). I posted this in the N&R portion, but he used to be able to get MULTIPLE attacks for Total Carnage; now, it's just "roll a die and do this". You could potentially have 3-4 dice causing Total Carnage (Bloodsecrator and Wrathmonger bonuses, for example), giving up to 24 mortal wounds. Now, unless you have a way to guarantee the 6 (like Kairos as an ally), it's actually inferior to what he was before.

Against single target, but dealing MWs will more damage against multiple model units since it will boil over.

The old wording of Skarbrand's ability is weird. They basically state that it can't be saved against and no FnP works against it so it is all but Mortal Wound in name.

Against single target, but dealing MWs will more damage against multiple model units since it will boil over.

Wounds in AoS normally boil over unless I am reading the following wrong:

Wounds are allocated one at a time
to models in the target unit. You can
allocate the wounds inflicted on your
units as you see fit (the models do
not have to be within range or visible
to the attacking unit). However, if
you allocate a wound to a model,
you must keep on allocating wounds
to that model until it is slain – a
unit can never have more than one
wounded model.

 Eldarsif wrote:
The old wording of Skarbrand's ability is weird. They basically state that it can't be saved against and no FnP works against it so it is all but Mortal Wound in name.

Against single target, but dealing MWs will more damage against multiple model units since it will boil over.

Wounds in AoS normally boil over unless I am reading the following wrong:

Wounds are allocated one at a time
to models in the target unit. You can
allocate the wounds inflicted on your
units as you see fit (the models do
not have to be within range or visible
to the attacking unit). However, if
you allocate a wound to a model,
you must keep on allocating wounds
to that model until it is slain – a
unit can never have more than one
wounded model.

They do, but skarbrand's ability specifically picked out that it was a single model losing the wounds (and if the model had 8 or less it simply died instead).

Ah, fair enough.

Oh, right. Now he can’t insta-gib Morathi or anything like that. If he doesn’t go down to the same price as a regular Bt, he’s crap.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Oh, right. Now he can’t insta-gib Morathi or anything like that. If he doesn’t go down to the same price as a regular Bt, he’s crap.

Well, like I said, his use against multiple model units has been magnified considerably. As it stands this rule change is not a nerf.

To be fair, the morathi interaction really made no sense in how her iron heart works in any other case. It was completely arbitrary.

It is a nerf. His ability wasn’t mortal wounds, so it got around the mortal wound saves. His ability got around her Iron Heart. It was completely 100% uncancelleable. He’s been nerfed in two different ways with a minimal chance of being able to kill swarms better. His attacks with Slaughter already accomplished that. If he sees a point increase or even stays the same, he becomes pointless to field. Denying it is missing the point of putting him on the field.

Yes it does not get around MW saves or Morathi anymore, but it is still a ton of MWs and will have no trouble killing elite models. In fact it is a straight upgrade against everything except stuff that has a MW save; the vast majority of the game. And a rather significant factor is it ignores hit penalties now. It is not a nerf, as it stands. Now if the roll to trigger it is 5+ or something THEN it is a nerf.

By the way, I am super excited about those Warcry reveals. Can't wait to get more about it nearer release.

I am disappointed that warcry is limited to just chaos. That pretty much removes it from play other than as a side board game (which I gather is its intent anyway).

I was hoping to integrate a versiion of AOS killteam into my campaign for quests.

I do wonder what their overall intention is with it. As it stands now it feels a bit more like Necromunda, but for Age of Sigmar, rather than an Age of Sigmar Kill Team.

Yes but much more limited to just chaos factions.

Perhaps it would be useful for me to actually come up with a skirmish ruleset that incorporates all factions like killteam and adds a little crunch.