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Disappointed with Warcry. Also, I don't think they should do another expansion (i.e. Forbidden Power) before everything is properly updated. But in true GW fashion, they chug along full steam without looking backward, and most people are okay with it because "ThEy ArE a BuSiNeSs"

ALLEGEDLY... they will have most of the books updated by the end of the year.

Allegedly.

We will definitely know by the end of the year what factions aren't really something they care about.

They are already in with 3 books and the fourth is coming out in 2 weeks which means we have 4 books in 3 months. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up getting around 10 updated books over the year if this keeps up. Considering that Maggotkin and up were made with 2.0 in mind I wonder what books we are going to see. Most likely KO, Sylvaneth, Seraphon, Orruks, Slaves to Darkness, and Slaanesh. Who knows, we might even get more.

With the new expansion I wouldn't be surprised if it leads to a set of tomes tying into the entire story. Personally I don't mind the campaign expansions as they are used to forward the story and build up conjecture and excitement for something new. An expansion also helps opening up the lore and more to new factions that haven't been getting the limelight in previous books.

I made this over on the TGA forums that lists the current status of the various armies and their Tomes
https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/21317-current-state-of-the-armies/

If AoS gets 10 or more tomes this year then its going to be darn close to where 40K was at the end of 2018 - ergo most of the game updated to the current rules edition. We are 3 months in and already have 4 tomes and the only thing that might mess up this maths is the Aelves in Order - we've really no idea what GW is doing with them - though we have lost Glade Guard recently.

We know there's 2 new Aelven armies to come (basically your light and dark options) and its likely we'll see at least one of them released this year.



Also don't forget that Expansions are great for existing armies that might not be seeing any attention for a while. AoS is in a messy place right now due to its unique history. Over its lifespan its had a huge turn around and honestly its 2.0 release was probably the best place to start listing its lifespan from. Everything form the end of Old World to 2.0 was rather messy for AoS. First there was the "no rules" era, then the end of that with Kirby leaving and a new CEO and we got the fast rushed out 1.0 things which mostly had Battletomes that were just warscroll collections. It was rushed and wasn't as well rounded. 2.0 has come along and we've got big positive changes.



Honestly the new expansion I'm expecting to be Malign Sorcery 2 - a new boxed set likely priced similar with a new swathe of universal Endless Spells and some additional optional equipment, spell lores, realm stuff and the like. Ergo the new Endless Spells willl likely be snapped up by everyone whilst the other half will be like real stuff - accepted mostly but some places won't and some will be optional and some will vary etc....

Over its lifespan its had a huge turn around and honestly its 2.0 release was probably the best place to start listing its lifespan from. Everything form the end of Old World to 2.0 was rather messy for AoS.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. 2.0 Feels like the actual launch of the line whereas 1.0 felt like Early Access.

First, Warcry looks amazing. Can’t wait to see more.

Second, I’m sorry to see Glade Guard go. Makes me think Duardin warriors and quarrellers/thunderers might go too, on account of the weird numbers in the box. Although they could have just added another sprue into the box.

EDIT: Agree on 2.0 being the beginning of ‘true’ AoS.

What I find weird about Glade Guards is that they went through the hassle of making Age of Sigmar boxes for them with a faction name and all.

 Eldarsif wrote:
What I find weird about Glade Guards is that they went through the hassle of making Age of Sigmar boxes for them with a faction name and all.

They gave all the aelf subfactions lore; heck the Greenskins also got a getting started boxed set. I think the issue is that AoS launch edition fragmented the game into LOADS of tiny armies. I think the view then was just so different from what it is now. I think the idea then was to basically have everyone playing "whatever they want" and mostly "grand alliance armies." So all the little subfactions were just flavour. GW could then retire whole subfactions in a block but also add new factions with a handful of new models. It would play ideally into a very casual game focused more around model collecting than army collecting with GW having no pressure to keep each "army" going but instead keeping the "Grand Alliance" going.

AoS 1.0 started to reverse this and 2.0 has fully kicked this idea out. AoS is now back to closer to what Old world and 40K are; long term investment in distinct and specific armies and less of a "souped grand alliance" approach. It's basically what most of the market screamed for and we've got it. However a downside is that it left GW with an over-abundance of armies. Most they've resolved like Gloomspite and Skaven - by putting them back together. Others I think they are cutting out and whilst I HATE the idea of it I can see them cutting more of the old Aelf range and then producing some kind of Aelven Alliance faction or somesuch. It's messy, its not ideal, but I think its something that is likely to happen for the good of what AoS is as of today.

It means that GW will have a number of armies that they can feasibly manage and release updates and new models for and keep them alive; rather than having a crippling overhead of so many factions that they just never have time for them; meaning some will get loads of attention and others totally ignored (which is basically just prolonging eventual squatting of armies).

The gave all the aelf subfactions lore; heck the Greenskins also got a getting started boxed set.

The difference is that individual units in the Wanderers got updated boxes. Greenskinz only got the Start Collecting unless I am misremembering.

I do imagine they will cut out a lot of aged kits and resin ones. Others I could easily see them harvest into a larger tome like they did with Skaven and Nagash. In fact, I think we will see a few more racial tomes instead of alliance tomes. At this point I would not be surprised if they consolidate dwarves and orcs into their respective Duardin and Orruk books. Although the Duardin - save for KO maybe - might end up being combined with free folks.

That is weird.

OK, if a unit was withdrawn, could they be returned at a latter date? Is there any precedent for this?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
That is weird.

OK, if a unit was withdrawn, could they be returned at a latter date? Is there any precedent for this?

Technically anything can happen, but there is no precedent for this.

I can see :
Fyreslayers and Dispossessed being put into a single book. Overlords I don't think will join them as they are just radically different kinds of dwarves.

Bonesplitters and Ironjaws being put together like Gloomspite/Skaven (so two armies which can go solo but who can also form a single united army).

Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders being combined since they visually share so much and BCR are basically running on the versatility of one plastic kit and a couple of other kits.


Those would be the combos that I can clearly see being possible future releases for GW. They make sense, and fit into the themes for the armies. Aelves is still a big questionmark because we've no idea if the new light/dark aelf armies will absorb any of the models from the current armies into them.


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 Eldarsif wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
That is weird.

OK, if a unit was withdrawn, could they be returned at a latter date? Is there any precedent for this?

Technically anything can happen, but there is no precedent for this.

Warpfire thrower for Skaven - and that's a model in metal. Provided GW still has the moulds they can bring stuff back. They often don't because either the whole army is removed or they've replaced it or taken the army in a new direction. That said it could happen. I'm also fully expecting the AoS side of the new survey that iwll come out to get a LOT of asks for TombKings to come back in some form or another - even if its just the models being rolled into an existing army.

I’m wondering what’s going on here, because honestly, the Wanderers are actually like the most developed Aelf faction there is along with the Darkling Covens. They had an alligence ability, artifacts, and an OK model range. If any Aelf faction was in dire shape it was the high elf ones.

How much did 16 gladeguard cost before getting pulled? I swear, they could have just added an extra sprue and charged the same as a box of 20 clanrats or Moonclan grots (£20.50)?

EDIT: If they can bring back that ancient warpfire thrower model, then anything really is possible!

For me and my satisfaction level, if dark elves, slaves to darkness, or tomb kings (lol yes i know) can get an updated book that is not a wet napkin I will be much happier. I've been going 3+ years now having to play factions I don't really like because the rules have been bad for the ones I do like.

I actually fear what will happen with normal Ogors. I have always loved them, and the kits, but now, having a AoS style box isn't even proof that you will be safe.

The ogor cannon is actually very cool and modern but the ogor kits not so much. Man, Ironbelly are just so cool.

Also I LOVE Warcry. I hope is more AoS Necromunda than AoS Killteam. But I'm a big chaos barbarian fanboy so...

How much did 16 gladeguard cost before getting pulled? I swear, they could have just added an extra sprue and charged the same as a box of 20 clanrats or Moonclan grots (£20.50)?

One of the cheapest kits you could buy. 20 pounds for 16 troop models. Regret not buying it when I had the chance, if not only for conversion projects.


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if dark elves, slaves to darkness, or tomb kings (lol yes i know) can get an updated book that is not a wet napkin I will be much happier. I've been going 3+ years now having to play factions I don't really like because the rules have been bad for the ones I do like.

Sounds like my situation, although I was elated to get Daughters of Khaine as it scratched my itch of having a mostly women's army and elf. Would still love a larger and more robust Dark Elf army(as well as light elf).


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tomb kings (lol yes i know)

With the new campaign expansion I am actually rather optimistic we might see the return of Tomb Kings in some form.


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More info regarding the Endless Prayers

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/13/mar-13-blades-of-khorne-preview-judgements-of-khorne-and-the-skull-altargw-homepage-post-4/

What's this about Glade Guard being removed? They are currently on the US store.

auticus wrote:
For me and my satisfaction level, if dark elves, slaves to darkness, or tomb kings (lol yes i know) can get an updated book that is not a wet napkin I will be much happier. I've been going 3+ years now having to play factions I don't really like because the rules have been bad for the ones I do like.

But Auticus, just buy new models if you want to win!

 mokoshkana wrote:
What's this about Glade Guard being removed? They are currently on the US store.

... feth, and they are in the british and spanish too!

You *need* to search the unit's name but they are there! Wow.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:
What's this about Glade Guard being removed? They are currently on the US store.

... feth, and they are in the british and spanish too!

You *need* to search the unit's name but they are there! Wow.

I found them on the US store by selecting the Aelf faction from the filter bar and selecting show all.

I checked earlier this morning and they were No longer available and had been for some time. They are now back in the store and under the Aelf category.

So maybe this means they are still making them and the old line lives to fight another day.

 Eldarsif wrote:
I checked earlier this morning and they were No longer available and had been for some time. They are now back in the store and under the Aelf category.

So maybe this means they are still making them and the old line lives to fight another day.

Wanderers got some new stuff in the latest General's Handbook. I can't imagine they would give them rules for a few months, only to strip away they line. The Wood Elf forces are definitely going away, but most of the Wanderers kits are pretty new. There is a reasonable expectation they will stick around.

That's a very recent change! But very happy to see them back

 Overread wrote:
I can see :
Fyreslayers and Dispossessed being put into a single book. Overlords I don't think will join them as they are just radically different kinds of dwarves.

Bonesplitters and Ironjaws being put together like Gloomspite/Skaven (so two armies which can go solo but who can also form a single united army).

Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders being combined since they visually share so much and BCR are basically running on the versatility of one plastic kit and a couple of other kits.


Those would be the combos that I can clearly see being possible future releases for GW. They make sense, and fit into the themes for the armies. Aelves is still a big questionmark because we've no idea if the new light/dark aelf armies will absorb any of the models from the current armies into them.

In many ways a Dispossed/Ironweld/Free Peoples combination Battletome would make more sense than combining them with Slayers and Overlords?

I'm calling it now.
Fellowship of the ring idea steal.

Just mash dwarves, elves and regular humans together, done.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I can see :
Fyreslayers and Dispossessed being put into a single book. Overlords I don't think will join them as they are just radically different kinds of dwarves.

Bonesplitters and Ironjaws being put together like Gloomspite/Skaven (so two armies which can go solo but who can also form a single united army).

Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders being combined since they visually share so much and BCR are basically running on the versatility of one plastic kit and a couple of other kits.


Those would be the combos that I can clearly see being possible future releases for GW. They make sense, and fit into the themes for the armies. Aelves is still a big questionmark because we've no idea if the new light/dark aelf armies will absorb any of the models from the current armies into them.

In many ways a Dispossed/Ironweld/Free Peoples combination Battletome would make more sense than combining them with Slayers and Overlords?

I agree, Fyreslayers aren't getting combined IMO.

Jackal90 wrote:
I'm calling it now.
Fellowship of the ring idea steal.

Just mash dwarves, elves and regular humans together, done.

I feel like the "city" rules in the Firestorm book that came in that expansion box were an attempt to do just that.

Maybe if they tried that again with the new combined faction formulas(BoC, GG, Skaven, etc.), coupled with expanded lore they'd have better success now.

I know the consolidation of a lot of the armies on the GW site was recent, but did it occur before or after Gloomspite Gitz? I'm just wondering if we have any precedence for losing a faction after Gloomspite. I feel like GW wants to minimize the amount of hurt they want to do to people.

Warcry has such nice models that I might jump in even though I'm not a Chaos fan. I really love the tribal look of that one Warband. I really hope these releases tie into a large Everchosen/Slaves to Darkness release that sees them get updated.

I believe that the reordering of the GW store happened just before Christmas for AoS.

It was before. Afaik we have not actually lost any whole factions following the big cull. Greenskinz & Gitmob we have lost the models but they have made it clear they are still armies in the fluff & rules so that just means a relaunch at some point.