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 Eldarsif wrote:
Not sure if anybody else has their spidey-sense tingling, but the fact that gutbusters didn't get any point adjustments kinda feels like they might be seeing a tome soon.

I dunno, last time I had spidey sense my damn anaraknarok bit me.

I agree though, def something happening there. Gutbusters and BCR need to be combined, same with Ironjawz and Bonesplittas in my opinion. Or maybe they'll expand upon the Ogre Firebelly and go with that cool tribal volcano worshipping look.

They still have so many factions that need updated.

 auticus wrote:
They still have so many factions that need updated.

They appear to be chipping slowly at it. If they release Gutbusters it would be an update of an old existing faction that hasn't received any love in a long time. They don't even have a tome currently for example.

Yeah. We need slaves to darkness, the ogre update, a proper orc update, high elf update, dark elf update, wood elf update and a normal people update, a dwarf update, and the kharadron overlords are sharing garbage time with slaves to darkness so I'd like to see them get a real book.

I would greatly appreciate if they would touch on one of those instead of releasing a fourth stormcast or a third khorne or whatever. Those armies being ignored for so long is not excusable IMO.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Not sure if anybody else has their spidey-sense tingling, but the fact that gutbusters didn't get any point adjustments kinda feels like they might be seeing a tome soon.

Gutbusters are a faction I hope gets more than tome, terrain and spells. A plastic multi-part kit or two like the trolls would do them fantastically well for rounding out their army with replacements for some of their metal models. Then again if they dont' get that they'll be like skaven with a lot of metal legacy models kicking around for a bit longer.

 auticus wrote:
Yeah. We need slaves to darkness, the ogre update, a proper orc update, high elf update, dark elf update, wood elf update and a normal people update, a dwarf update, and the kharadron overlords are sharing garbage time with slaves to darkness so I'd like to see them get a real book.

I would greatly appreciate if they would touch on one of those instead of releasing a fourth stormcast or a third khorne or whatever. Those armies being ignored for so long is not excusable IMO.

But Gutbusters is an ogre faction(Ogor to be correct) and therefore would be them touching an unreleased faction. Also, we are not going to get High or Dark Elf. We'll get the sub-factions as their own factions(which are probably around 7-8 in their current version), and we'll see a part of the wood elf faction(Sylvaneth) soon enough.

Personally I don't think we'll see Privateers or Covens until they find a way to fill them out properly in their new lore(why they didn't combine Privateers with Idoneth is beyond me). Also, one of the Rumor engines did look a bit like a Wanderer item so we might see some of them inn the near future. Slaves to Darkness seems to be on a hold until they release Warcry.


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 Overread wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
Not sure if anybody else has their spidey-sense tingling, but the fact that gutbusters didn't get any point adjustments kinda feels like they might be seeing a tome soon.

Gutbusters are a faction I hope gets more than tome, terrain and spells. A plastic multi-part kit or two like the trolls would do them fantastically well for rounding out their army with replacements for some of their metal models. Then again if they dont' get that they'll be like skaven with a lot of metal legacy models kicking around for a bit longer.

They are also a bit spread thin with Gargants and Maneaters belonging to different factions(despite all being under Gutbusters on the site). I kinda hope they consolidate some of it and create "Battletome: [Noun] of Ogor" as they did with Nagash.

Sylvaneth haven't been "part of the Wood Elf faction" since AoS launched. It's a full fledged army in its own regards, and really was even in 8th.

And, I hate having to say it again, but Privateers aren't with Idoneth because the Idoneth don't like coming to the surface.

We know there's a very Wanderers item coming with Underworlds. It was the cat they showed off.

What are your hopes for the ogors?

New BCR battletome with the Ogors added.

Firebellies expanded into their own faction with their own battletome. You know you want to GW!!

 Kanluwen wrote:

And, I hate having to say it again, but Privateers aren't with Idoneth because the Idoneth don't like coming to the surface.

That is a lore issue though. Now, after the tome is released I agree they do not fit together and it is too late to do anything about them. They could have intertwined them though before if they had wanted.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

And, I hate having to say it again, but Privateers aren't with Idoneth because the Idoneth don't like coming to the surface.

That is a lore issue though. Now, after the tome is released I agree they do not fit together and it is too late to do anything about them. They could have intertwined them though before if they had wanted.

It's not even a lore issue though, the Idoneth and Scourge could easily ally together formally to the point where forces combine both. The Scourge being the Idoneth's eyes and ears on the surface world; more trusted than the mysterious Idoneth and able to blend in (they don't have to move with fishes swimming around them in a magical bubble). So now the Scourge can scout ahead into those ports and towns before the Idoneth strike. Heck since the Scourge sail the high seas in large ships and even larger city ships atop the backs of kracken they are either natural best friends or worst enemies.

It's not even a lore issue though, the Idoneth and Scourge could easily ally together formally to the point where forces combine both. The Scourge being the Idoneth's eyes and ears on the surface world; more trusted than the mysterious Idoneth and able to blend in (they don't have to move with fishes swimming around them in a magical bubble). So now the Scourge can scout ahead into those ports and towns before the Idoneth strike. Heck since the Scourge sail the high seas in large ships and even larger city ships atop the backs of kracken they are either natural best friends or worst enemies.

Basically like how Drukhari are separated into various factions serving different purposes.

About Ogors; I could see them creating a big combined book similar to Skaven, BoC and Gloomspite, with Beastclaw Raiders and the whole everwinter thing being merely one way to play them (firebelly tribes and maneater companies being two other potential options).

 Future War Cultist wrote:
About Ogors; I could see them creating a big combined book similar to Skaven, BoC and Gloomspite, with Beastclaw Raiders and the whole everwinter thing being merely one way to play them (firebelly tribes and maneater companies being two other potential options).

I agree.

If they(GW) don't have any set plans for the faction I think it will be more likely to see consolidation. It is also easier to consolidate and release a faction and then expand it later when inspiration strikes.

I will be very surprised if they don't combine Beastclaws and Gutbusters into a single faction like they did for Gloomspite and skaven.

It just makes a lot of sense, esp as Beastclaw are basically relying heavily on 1 single larger kit for their whole faction pretty much. So combine them with gutbusters and they can pick and choose from each other with alliance abilities; then also likely run a pure beastclaw raiders army within it.

Best of both worlds

 Eldarsif wrote:

It's not even a lore issue though, the Idoneth and Scourge could easily ally together formally to the point where forces combine both. The Scourge being the Idoneth's eyes and ears on the surface world; more trusted than the mysterious Idoneth and able to blend in (they don't have to move with fishes swimming around them in a magical bubble). So now the Scourge can scout ahead into those ports and towns before the Idoneth strike. Heck since the Scourge sail the high seas in large ships and even larger city ships atop the backs of kracken they are either natural best friends or worst enemies.

Basically like how Drukhari are separated into various factions serving different purposes.

Read the Idoneth fluff. The Idoneth are already "separated into various factions".

The Akhelians are the knights, protectors, and strategists of the Idoneth--alongside of being one part of the nobility ruling the Deepkin, sharing power with the Isharann.
The Isharann are the mages, scholars, and priests. They also manage the Chorilleums where souls of slain Idoneth are kept. The only Isharann we haven't seen on the tabletop so far are the Embailors(masters of mind-magics, the "beast-tamers" who broke the creatures of the deep with pain)...and I wouldn't be shocked to see them coming at some point down the road.
The Namarti are the half-souled anchor around the neck of the Idoneth. They're the shame of the Deepkin and are treated accordingly--albeit with some being given "honored" positions such as Beaststalkers alongside the Embailors.

They don't need the Scourge Privateers or anyone else.
The Soulscryers are the ones who find the places for the Idoneth to raid...assuming they're going after somewhere new to them and not just waiting to hit the same place again after the populace has had time to recover. The Soulscryers and Tidecasters are also the ones who know how for the Idoneth to get to where they need to go via the Whirlways and Realmgates.
The Akhelians are their warleaders, many of whom are familiar with the areas that they've raided over the years.
Namarti just go where told to.

And it's worth mentioning as well that part of the reason for the Ethersea is it brings the silence and darkness of the deeps with them. The whole reason the Deepkin are there is to isolate themselves.

Highly suggest reading the trio of short stories in "Myths & Revenants" on them. All three are great looks at the Idoneth, and the only one that shouldn't be considered "canon"-canon is apparently "The Sea Taketh" as it was written in advance of the finalized lore.

Lore wise it falls a bit flat since the Gutbusters who were BCR likely died because they couldn't outrun the storm.

I almost want Gutbusters to be a "professional" mercenary army. We had that in the old lore where they'd sell their skills and then bring new skills back to the tribe, so making it an army trait would fit pretty well.

I hope the scourge privateers get rolled into a larger Aelves book made up of all the orphan factions, wanderers, etc.,.

Got to try the Army Generator from new GH. It's a fun way to organize a fight and can make for some interesting matchups. Might need to do some tweaking/redraw if your collection isn't super extensive to even it up but not a big deal. Going to try the Regiments of Renown next time and the Terrain Generator

 frozenwastes wrote:
I hope the scourge privateers get rolled into a larger Aelves book made up of all the orphan factions, wanderers, etc.,.

Legions of the Old World

I like the idea of the army generator. The snag I ran into with my community is that a lot of people just buy 2000 points and stop there so they don't have the options and don't want to deviate from their 2000 points.

 auticus wrote:
I like the idea of the army generator. The snag I ran into with my community is that a lot of people just buy 2000 points and stop there so they don't have the options and don't want to deviate from their 2000 points.

I find this is a common thing in both AOS and 40k It's very rare someone buys more than their "2k list" and rarer still once they have it that they don't want to always use the same list because it's what they know; god forbid they have to change it!

The hobby isn't cheap. I can see why a lot of people try to keep their spendings as trim as possible. Then there is time required to assemble and optionally for most people lol - painting.

Especially if they are primarily tournament players. They are going to be churning and burning.

I understand if people want to keep their collection to a minimum. It takes space, costs money, and very often you have models that are subpar for many editions.

I have about 2500 of stormcast and found I was spoiled for choice at the 15 FP level. I'd have some meaningful choices to make at 20 but I think at 25+ I'd start playing most of my stuff.

So at Warhammer day yesterday, I made a joke about hoping the new Sisters of Battle book didn't get delayed like the sylvaneth book did. The store manager went on this very short tirade about company politics and hoping a delay like this never happened again. I was like "Didn't the Sylvaneth book just get stuck in customs?" and he said "Short answer, No. Official Company stance? Sure."

So uh, that was weird. Anyone else hear any rumors that said the sylvaneth delay wasn't actually customs based?

balmong7 wrote:
So at Warhammer day yesterday, I made a joke about hoping the new Sisters of Battle book didn't get delayed like the sylvaneth book did. The store manager went on this very short tirade about company politics and hoping a delay like this never happened again. I was like "Didn't the Sylvaneth book just get stuck in customs?" and he said "Short answer, No. Official Company stance? Sure."

So uh, that was weird. Anyone else hear any rumors that said the sylvaneth delay wasn't actually customs based?

It would be strange since we've not heard anything about it like that from other staffers, so either GW is on super lockdown or the trade issue could be the result of someone in the office messing up the form. So it is a trade issue, but the result of someone in the office making a mistake. Though I'd be surprised if it was political within the company, then again staffers in GW stores are often not much more informed than gamers so it could be that the staffers are doing guesswork etc... Without confirmed information its hard to be certain.

 Overread wrote:

balmong7 wrote:
So at Warhammer day yesterday, I made a joke about hoping the new Sisters of Battle book didn't get delayed like the sylvaneth book did. The store manager went on this very short tirade about company politics and hoping a delay like this never happened again. I was like "Didn't the Sylvaneth book just get stuck in customs?" and he said "Short answer, No. Official Company stance? Sure."

So uh, that was weird. Anyone else hear any rumors that said the sylvaneth delay wasn't actually customs based?

It would be strange since we've not heard anything about it like that from other staffers, so either GW is on super lockdown or the trade issue could be the result of someone in the office messing up the form. So it is a trade issue, but the result of someone in the office making a mistake. Though I'd be surprised if it was political within the company, then again staffers in GW stores are often not much more informed than gamers so it could be that the staffers are doing guesswork etc... Without confirmed information its hard to be certain.

He seemed genuinely surprised when I was like "the video they put out implied customs issues..." so I figured he's talking out his ass. Hard to believe an internal politics issue would leak to store managers on the other side of the globe. Even if this stores staff recently went to corporate for a big training thing.

I got the impression that there was some issue on the China end but no elaboration as to what. Could have just been a machine broke down at the printing factory and set their schedule back for all I know.

Fast forward and I have heard reasonably reliable information that the new Sylvaneth stuff is already at distributors right now, but GW is waiting for a release slot in the schedule to open up.