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 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't have the previous one to compare it to, but there was very little. I wonder if it's because some of that lore is in the Age of Sigmar Core Book now?

Well, went through the old tome, and there was nothing about the Wanderers there either. I could’ve sworn there was some lore in the book about them and a “betrayal” that severed them from the Realm of Life and sent them ... uh, wandering. Grand Alliance : Order book perhaps.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't have the previous one to compare it to, but there was very little. I wonder if it's because some of that lore is in the Age of Sigmar Core Book now?

Well, went through the old tome, and there was nothing about the Wanderers there either. I could’ve sworn there was some lore in the book about them and a “betrayal” that severed them from the Realm of Life and sent them ... uh, wandering. Grand Alliance : Order book perhaps.

It was something that showed up much later. It's in the Core book right now. GA: Order didn't really have too much fluff for any of the factions.

Freeguild archers are now "sold out online" on the GW Irish webstore

Hopefully just for a reboxing, though I fear they may be a causality of the Cities of Sigmar merge.

 Eldarsif wrote:
The Apoc movement trays are useless for Age of Sigmar unless you are running a shooty army. I personally just use pile-in trays I bought off ebay and they've done a better job for me. They have their own problems, but not glaring ones like the Apoc ones.

Interestingly enough, when I first played Daughters of Khaine I just used some old WHFB movement trays just fine, at least up until they had to charge into combat.

You just use the movement trays during initial setup & movement, then move the models off the trays when they charge. That's usually how it's done from what I've seen.

Yep, I use movement trays for my Clan Rats and Stormvermin, and once they're being charged, or are doing a charge I pull them off the tray. Trying to stubbornly use movement trays while piling in and charging leads to a lot of inaccuracy and movements far beyond 3" for pile in and kind of grind my gears when people don't get how much extra they're moving...

The difference is that with pile-in movement trays(created by many online) it is easier to get your units back on the trays and forward(5 slot trays that is). It's not a luxury I get from the GW Apoc Trays.

Yeah, that's definitely true.

A lot of various order minis just moved to last chance to buy. A lot.

I am anticipating a pretty significant culling with this release. The boil over may be severe.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
A lot of various order minis just moved to last chance to buy. A lot.

Unfortunately, I'm still going to take a "wait and see" approach.

People seem to forget that "Last Chance to Buy" also applies to items that are getting repackaged into different numbers or when the SKU is going away, period.

I guess that a lot of similar units will indeed be more likely to disappear...why would you have human archers when you can take way better aelf ones ? Or maybe they're going to specialize much more the different races in Cities of Sigmar, which would make sense.

Either way, disappearing stuff will always be missed...

 Sarouan wrote:
I guess that a lot of similar units will indeed be more likely to disappear...why would you have human archers when you can take way better aelf ones ? Or maybe they're going to specialize much more the different races in Cities of Sigmar, which would make sense.

It's weird though...because Glade Guard, Freeguild Archers, and Dispossessed Thunderers/Quarellers are on the list. There's not even a "why have human archers if the aelf ones are there?"...because the Aelf ones are gone.

Man, my theories on whats getting axed (assuming they don’t get reboxed) from the ‘Current State of AoS” thread was pretty spot on. Didn’t expect so much Freeguild stuff though.

Not that alot of it wasn’t obvious to many folks. Also, gonna claim I took heat for my theories as well!

There is a bar on the New Zealand page advertising that these are actual Last Chance to Buy items.

So good bye to:

draconis

eldritch council

devoted

lion rangers

swifthawk

No, my free guild general, Ludwig! He won’t have proper rules in the book anymore I assume...? RIP, you’ll be missed Ludwig.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
No, my free guild general, Ludwig! He won’t have proper rules in the book anymore I assume...? RIP, you’ll be missed Ludwig.

Looks like the unit option is sticking around but there may be a culling of equipment options.

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's weird though...because Glade Guard, Freeguild Archers, and Dispossessed Thunderers/Quarellers are on the list. There's not even a "why have human archers if the aelf ones are there?"...because the Aelf ones are gone.

They kept the sisters of the watch / shadow warriors as archers. I bet they will be the main "archer" force in the future book.

I'm not surprised Glade Guard and old dwarves going away. Old kit of 16 miniatures for a lower price than what GW wants to charge now...it's a thing of the past, clearly.

I also expect the militia profile from Freeguild guards to disappear as well.

Wanderers are dead now. Shame. Nomad Prince, Wild Riders/Sisters of the Thorn, and Sisters of the Watch are all that remains of a fantastically unique army and playstyle.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Wanderers are dead now. Shame. Nomad Prince, Wild Riders/Sisters of the Thorn, and Sisters of the Watch are all that remains of a fantastically unique army and playstyle.

Agreed.

Did they get rid of the eternal guard kit? I hope not, it’s quite modern and up to date.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Did they get rid of the eternal guard kit? I hope not, it’s quite modern and up to date.

Nope, but the army as it stands now is DEAD.

Waywatchers? Gone.
Waystriders? Gone.
Wayfinders? Gone.
Glade Guard? Gone.
Spellweavers? Gone.


This is the first time I've legitimately been pissed off. It was frustrating when AoS dropped and my Waywatchers went from being units of 5-10 to individual heroes--making my 15 of them plus two Waystalkers(the hero version) ridiculously cumbersome to utilize. But I adapted and I've slowly been selling the excess ones off locally to people as they get into Wanderers and want a Waywatcher "like the one from Vermintide"(or more recently, Chaosbane). It funded me getting a few Skorpius for my Skitarii in fact.

But now...basically everything I own ceases to exist and I'm likely going to be stuck figuring out a new way to run the army. It was hard enough to make use of my Wild Riders as is, now I'm just no longer interested and will be shelving things to focus on my Idoneth even further. Most obnoxious part is I just bought another Wayfinder and Waywatcher to use for conversions(Wayfinder was going to get the gloved arm with crow from the Corvus Cabal kit and Waywatcher was going to get a fancy bow out of the Sisters of the Thorn bits) right before the Free Cities announcement. Some of the promo stuff had Waywatchers in it so I figured I'd be okay.

 Kanluwen wrote:
. Some of the promo stuff had Waywatchers in it so I figured I'd be okay.

This is something GW shouldn't let happen, but I figure whoever is in marketing and the photography departments just got told to make some spreads and didn't tell them what was going and what was staying. Since the book printing takes a long while then we must assume what remains is known well in advance so why that information cannot filter down to the other levels is beyond me. It's likely a still a result of GW's sometimes insane leak prevention and data restriction within their own company. A system that I suspect also gets messed around with with internal power struggles and such between departments.

GW shouldn't have shown promo material for a new book with models that were not going to make it -they had no reason too it just builds bad associations for the people they are directly marketing too.

While undoubtedly sucky, one upside is they can become counts-as with minimum conversion (or even nothing, given a friendly community). Counts-as what? Well that's where you've gained something; you can reasonably pass them off as a number of different units so get flexibility as to what warscroll those models use.

But it is still a small comfort to losing an entire army option.

Do you think that one day they’ll give the city humans, aelves and duardin a combined aesthetic that’s more azyrite?

I think the free people book is your ultimate near term (within 3-5 yrs) answer.

 Overread wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
. Some of the promo stuff had Waywatchers in it so I figured I'd be okay.

This is something GW shouldn't let happen, but I figure whoever is in marketing and the photography departments just got told to make some spreads and didn't tell them what was going and what was staying. Since the book printing takes a long while then we must assume what remains is known well in advance so why that information cannot filter down to the other levels is beyond me. It's likely a still a result of GW's sometimes insane leak prevention and data restriction within their own company. A system that I suspect also gets messed around with with internal power struggles and such between departments.

GW shouldn't have shown promo material for a new book with models that were not going to make it -they had no reason too it just builds bad associations for the people they are directly marketing too.

Frankly, what shouldn't have happened was the Wanderers Allegiance Abilities in 2019's General Handbook. Same with the units. That's the part that pisses me off the most. So many of these units should have just been left out then and there, with the Free Cities book revealed then rather than now.

It just sets a new precedent that no matter what is in the latest ghb, any units are nullable at a moments notice.

Unless you are ok and allow legend units and their points in your games.

What are the chances that the Waywatchers are getting a plastic kit to rebrand? Or can you stick a few on a bigger base and count them as Kurnoth Hunters? I realize it’s not the same, but maybe it’s something?

Heck, I know the writing is on the wall for anything plastic that disappeared. But if it’s resin or metal, maybe there’s a chance it’s LCTB in order to make plastic versions?

Maybe it’s unfair to dangle a rope of hope (a hope-rope??) for such a thing, but we don’t know much. We only know that GW seeks to kill anything metal/resin in AoS.

At this point, I'm just going to put them all back in a drawer and wait. If they change their minds down the road and there's actually going to be a dedicated Wanderers force(as this Free Cities feels like it's an attempt to just get something out there for the Old World stuff rather than continuing the GHB route)? Maybe they'll get to see the light of day again.

Who knows - we might well see many concepts return under a new form and I can certainly agree that GW might well be panic reacting with Free Cities in getting AoS cleaned up as best they can. There's no denying that a huge barrier to entry was GW having loads of "armies without tomes or rules" which confused newbies looking to get into the game because some of the armies looked cool but didn't have any follow-through to actually making an army.

The real pain is that GW drew this release and removal out over such a long period of time. That said this weekend should mark a big turning point for AoS in terms of removal VS replacement/new ideas/releases.

Though Skaven and Ogers still have a lot of metal/finecast, but many are likely to get resculpts given time.