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I can understand skeletor won't be changed that fast, thats probably not reasonable.

Slaanesh on the other hand...

Thats pure clown car comedy right there.

My view is you can't fix slaanesh by changing points right now - the real issue is depravity as a mechanic needs changing in how it works. Both at the generation and at the cost to summon


But that's an endless cycling debate so we'll have to see what GW does change if anything.

Slaanesh isn't getting POINT updates. Which means they might be getting RULES updates. Hold your horses until we see. If they don't get any adjustments at all then we can resume talking about how ridiculous it is.

OBR are too new for updates.

OBR will escape the nerf bat like Slaanesh did due to timing.

I've only played one game with them so far, but they seem pretty insane with mortek guard in Petrifex elite... Oh well, we'll see.

I am hoping for some interesting changes. Apparently the Skaven FAQ talks about an updated Plague Monk Warscroll so maybe Slaanesh at least is getting some changes rulewise.

OBR is too new and will sadly escape the nerfhammer.

 Eldarsif wrote:
I am hoping for some interesting changes. Apparently the Skaven FAQ talks about an updated Plague Monk Warscroll so maybe Slaanesh at least is getting some changes rulewise.

OBR is too new and will sadly escape the nerfhammer.

Yep:

Page 116 – Plague Monks
This warscroll is no longer used. It has been replaced
with the warscroll on the Games Workshop website.

Seems like a big deal. Hopefully its not a one and done.

Also:

Who the feth asks these questions:

Q: Does a Skaventide Hero garrisoning a terrain feature
move the terrain feature with them when they use Skitterleap?
A: No.

Where are you seeing the Skaven changes? I only see Base Sizes, Maggotkin, and the GHB19 on the community site.

Who the feth asks these questions:

heh. I get asked about a dozen of those questions every campaign with people trying to pull shennanigans and then rules lawyer my event explaining why their wild idea is the rule as written.

 mokoshkana wrote:
Where are you seeing the Skaven changes? I only see Base Sizes, Maggotkin, and the GHB19 on the community site.

Someone has a link on TGA, in the rumors thread.

try this:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/b52ed84a.pdf

Also, if you sort "Z-A" you get the BoC changes. Its like a puzzle we all get to solve together!

And this whole FAQ rollout has been disastrous. Either incompetence or it was an accident and someone jumped the guns.

I agree that for both Slaanesh and Ossiarchs there are other issues that need to be addressed before points can really be evaluated. As it stands the massive issues of summoning and petrifax respectively obscure the true value of the units involved. Though there are certainly some that can be seen through that it makes sense to do the rule change first THEN come in with point costs later.

 nels1031 wrote:

Who the feth asks these questions:

I always imagine that every FAQ session at GW goes as follows:

Social Media intern: *Asks rules team a question from Facebook

Rules team: " . . . No . . . "

Intern: *Asks rules team a question from email

Rules team: *Stares in dumbfounded silence for three full minutes. " . . . No . . . "

Social Media intern: *Asks rules team a question from Reddit

Rules team: *blinking in disbelief "You're just with us, right?"

And a screenshot floating around that Fyreslayers have Vulkites with a points reduction and Hearthzerkers capped at 20 with a new horde discount. Will try to post that soon, but at work.

Seeing nothing for Slaanesh so far..... ffs.

I would definitely be adding some snark to some of those FAQ questions, like:

"If a Skaven hero uses skitterleap while in a garrison, does the building move with them?"

"Only if the building is pulled to its new location by a sled-team of actual rats."

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would definitely be adding some snark to some of those FAQ questions, like:

"If a Skaven hero uses skitterleap while in a garrison, does the building move with them?"

"Only if the building is pulled to its new location by a sled-team of actual rats."

That would do great for wolfrat sales though!

Cygor and Ghorgons went down 40 points. Doombull and Bullgors went down 20. Nice!

 Overread wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would definitely be adding some snark to some of those FAQ questions, like:

"If a Skaven hero uses skitterleap while in a garrison, does the building move with them?"

"Only if the building is pulled to its new location by a sled-team of actual rats."

That would do great for wolfrat sales though!

Emphasis on "actual rats"!

Keep in mind the reason they need to address those wacky questions is that due to their poor wording if they don't someone will undoubtedly try to abuse it by claiming the rules don't say they can't.

So even though it's crazy to think, it has to be done to prevent rules lawyers from abusing it.

 nels1031 wrote:

Who the feth asks these questions:

I had a game where my opponent doubted the ability for me to have a unit charge multiple enemy units. After that, I decided not to try and also demonstrate hooking in additional units in combat via pile in as the game as already slow enough and I didn't know where to point out this could be done.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would definitely be adding some snark to some of those FAQ questions, like:

"If a Skaven hero uses skitterleap while in a garrison, does the building move with them?"

"Only if the building is pulled to its new location by a sled-team of actual rats."

That would do great for wolfrat sales though!

Emphasis on "actual rats"!

By skaven standards wolfrats are actual rats https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Skaven-Wolf-Rats

ShaneMarsh wrote:
Cygor and Ghorgons went down 40 points. Doombull and Bullgors went down 20. Nice!

Doombull went down to 100? That seems pretty crazy cheap. But I have noticed a trend of underpricing smaller heroes lately.

Maybe a counter to underpriced sniping abilities.

All the changes so far ! I'm boycotting playing against Fyreslayers with my Nighthaunt now

 Aaranis wrote:

Spoiler:

All the changes so far ! I'm boycotting playing against Fyreslayers with my Nighthaunt now

Thats the pic I was looking for, thanks!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

ShaneMarsh wrote:
Cygor and Ghorgons went down 40 points. Doombull and Bullgors went down 20. Nice!

Doombull went down to 100? That seems pretty crazy cheap. But I have noticed a trend of underpricing smaller heroes lately.

Maybe a counter to underpriced sniping abilities.

I play BoC and even went to some GTs for them, the Doombull is crap. Its one of the most swingy units, same for Bullgors. It seems good, but remember its only 3 main attacks, 3+/3+ -2 for 3D, yes its 3 flat damage. Again its only 3 attacks, on average 1 misses, lets say you get the other 2 to wound, thats only 6 wounds from a melee specialist hero. Having 5 total attack (other are 2, 4+/4+ -0, 1D) so chanes are you wont eve do 1 MW from his ability.

I played him with relics, and he still doesn;t do much. I with over 40 games using him, he has never done 9 damage.

Well if dealing 9 damage in a combat phase is the standard by which he is measured then I suppose he isn't so great.

The new FAQs are up. They changed the Depravity Point Costs.

Sadly they've left depravity itself alone.

So what they've done is curb some of depravity's potential to generate more models, but if anything that only reinforces the internal balance problem with the Battletome; which is that you are strong-armed into taking all leaders and summoning more to get that summoning system working. Furthermore you're really encouraged to take multiple keepers with their multiple wounds for more depravity generation.

So internally there's still the issue that any non-3-keeper army is still playing as if "with a nerf" based on the tomes internal balance.

Externally there's still the issue that a 1 wound majority skaven army has much easier time fighting Slaanesh than a Stormcast army with all multiwound models. Again there's still that problem that Slaanesh plays so very differently against different kinds of army. That Stormcast army is still likely going to have to suffer another keeper and more being thrown at it; whilst the new costs might mean the Skaven army has a bit more of an easier time.


Depravity itself and how its generated is still the core problem with the Tome. Sadly I get the feeling GW did it on purpose to encourage sales of their new expensive Keeper. Which means we won't see it properly changed until such time as GW comes around again to release more new models for Slaanesh - which is likely years off.

Given that models come first I wouldn't doubt there was at least some talk about "how do we get the best use out of this fantastic Keeper model" which at some point led to creating Depravity Points.

Yeah I woke up to a thread rolling in one of the groups I am in with one of the tourney slaanesh players gloating and strutting and telling everyone that was saying his stuff was OP to learn to play better and stop telling him what he's not allowed to take and whining its too powerful, since GW had the chance to tone it down but clearly they felt it was fine and left it alone.

Which is why I'm glad I'm not playing AOS anymore. Models are great... but when they are at the detriment of why I buy the models and spend the time painting them (the game) then that is where its not great.

Edit: and now in getting my morning coffee and reading around, others are saying iit got super nerfed (lol?). Raising the depravity cost was I suppose a form of point tweaking. But as Overread mentions, all it really did was enforce that the triple keeper of secrets build is basically the only type of build you will see out of anyone who is building to win games (I assume most people) to get the most depravity possible to free-summon the most points.

Did anyone find the updated plague monk warscroll? As far as I can tell, it still hasn't been posted.

 auticus wrote:

Which is why I'm glad I'm not playing AOS anymore

We know. In fact, there's probably some uncontacted tribes in the deep amazon that know it by now.