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2018/09/30 02:12:56
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
£1.10 saving buying issue 7 twice for the washes. No miniature though, or would get a bunch/
Large saving on multiple copies of issue 8.
Not happy that the exclusive miniatures is covered in Ultrasmurf iconography.
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2018/10/03 16:19:41
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
I'm looking forward to the next delivery - I've already got a pair of Blight Haulers and I've been itching to try a unit of three out on the table, the Primaris Librarian is a beautiful model I can't wait to add to my Blood Angels army, and more Poxwalkers are always good. The shade's aren't too exciting, but I can't deny they're useful.
The Blight Hauler is a good one to order multiples, regular GW price is £15, even compared to a third party store like Wayland or Element you're getting a saving of around £4. Fast attack choice that can be taken in units of up to 3 models, they are one of the few sources of long range anti-tank in the DG codex and get bonuses if you take a full unit of 3.
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2018/10/03 16:32:33
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
leopard wrote: extra poxwalkers is good, ok 12 isn't amazing, but at least its actually usable
For the hypothetical new player who only has Conquest, this gives them a fun little 450pts patrol list for small games, if they proxy the second champion as a Chaos Lord with Combi-Plasma and Power Fist. Wouldn't really be fair to use it against the Primaris as they're stuck at just 285pts. :-(
Hopefully they'll include Dark Imperium sooner rather than later - those units would bump both armies up to over 1000pts, although the Primaris would be a troop choice short of a battalion detachment.
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2018/10/04 14:21:47
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Conquest only will give you 22 Poxwalkers, a reasonable sized unit. 10 Dark Imperium and 12 easy to build.
Dealings with Hachette Publishing I had an 'interesting' conversation with Hachette customer services today, plus feedback on bonus issues in general.
Customer services were helpful and friendly up to a point but the company itself has issues.
Even if you don't buy anything else £10 for an exclusive miniature is an Ok price. There are still copies ready for you to buy.
There is however a limit of one per order. It might prevent repeat orders also, but I don't know about that.
At least may major fear has been dispelled, that extra issues would not be available. They are even for the exclusive miniature.
If you can buy a project exclusive openly (for now) from Hachette then I am now confident you can buy anything else. The one extra copy limit rule might or might not apply. It should be bypassable, but I haven't tried. yes this mini has an ebay value, but its a mandatory Ultrasmurf which reduces its appeal to me.
Anyway I have been buying books from Hachette from the 40K Legends range. My plan now is to do a subscription from the current issues, 41 or higher to start as of current time, and buy th extra backcopies on a weekly basis alongside those extra issues of Consquest I want.
I bought the extra Ultrasmurf for a friend plus two books yesterday, 6 days standard free delivery. A week ago I bought six books costing over £50 and qualifying for next day delivery.
However my first batch of books even with upgraded delivery has not arrived.
So today I phoned up after them. Apparently they were listed as 'dispatched' on the day of issue, but with a delivery window of 7-14 days. The second order though not listed as next day dispatch is already listed as dispatched, but under same conditions. No tracking numbers were available, but there is full receipt at least.
Now I am beginning to encounter Hachettes bugbear which has long been the cause of bad reviews.
Yes we can order extra issues, or nice looking 40K books. I have looked at the 40K legends collection and it has decent stuff. But it appears that everything is at the whim of the dice gods. I have to roll 3d6 and add that to delivery time. At least the websites complaining about Hachette deliveries complain about orders being frequently late, but not missing per se. Hachette are inefficient but are not thieves. When we want to buy bonus orders, be prepared for delays, come to expect them. Thankfully these are not perishables, and patience for toys should be not too much t ask.
Sample video on 40k Legends. I think these are a fair buy at £10 each. Remember though guys this means a commitment of £800 for the full collection of 80 books, which is a lot of money however you split it.
Please note that books are going out of print but are being replenished. Some books went out of print two weeks ago and the whole line was restocked. Possibly due to increased interest post Conquest.
If you buy backstock books to add to a newer subscription, or just buy individual books (or not at all) is up to you.
If I havent had my delivery by a further two weeks time I will chase it up and come back to you when the books arrive. I want to put Hachettes delivery system to the test, and for most of us using that will be a big part of our plans for the next two years.
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2018/10/04 16:07:12
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
I plan to convert the Lieutenant by replacing the Legs, Body, Arms, Head, Backpack, Weapons, Accessories, Base and all other components with the parts from the Blood Angels Lieutenant miniature. I've given all the leftovers to a friend who plays Ultramarines.
Orlanth wrote: Conquest only will give you 22 Poxwalkers, a reasonable sized unit. 10 Dark Imperium and 12 easy to build.
It's 32 Poxwalkers - Dark Imperium comes with two duplicate sprues of them, 10 poxwalkers and half a plague marine per sprue. You can see all 32 on the poster.
Orlanth wrote: Yes we can order extra issues, or nice looking 40K books. I have looked at the 40K legends collection and it has decent stuff. But it appears that everything is at the whim of the dice gods. I have to roll 3d6 and add that to delivery time. At least the websites complaining about Hachette deliveries complain about orders being frequently late, but not missing per se. Hachette are inefficient but are not thieves. When we want to buy bonus orders, be prepared for delays, come to expect them. Thankfully these are not perishables, and patience for toys should be not too much t ask.
I bought issue 1 of Legends and subscribed to pick a few books up, but they cancelled the subscription! I didn't chase up the cancelled subscription in the end. The First Heretic is a great book, and the legends edition comes with a colour section in the middle featuring story-appropriate artwork (taken from all over the place - the horus heresy trading cards, forgeworld books, concept sketches, black library covers etc). One thing to note is that it's not the highest quality hardback - although it's perfectly serviceable and isn't going to fall apart, both the pages and the cover feels thinner and less stiff than other new hardbacks I own. That's to be expected though - looking at the two books I pulled off the shelf to compare it to, they have an RRP of £22.99 and £25, compared to just £9.99 for the Legends books!
The week-long+ wait for next day delivery sounds awful, but not entirely unexpected for this company.
Looking at the Legends collection there are some good choices in there. The Eisenhorn trilogy, First Heretic, Know No Fear, A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns and Betrayer are all great books IMO. I'm a bit surprised not to see Talon of Horus!
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2018/10/04 16:32:57
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Orlanth wrote: Conquest only will give you 22 Poxwalkers, a reasonable sized unit. 10 Dark Imperium and 12 easy to build.
It's 32 Poxwalkers - Dark Imperium comes with two duplicate sprues of them, 10 poxwalkers and half a plague marine per sprue. You can see all 32 on the poster.
Thanks for the correction, I couldn't remember off head if we get all of Dark Imperium, loking up we do. I bought an extra copy of Issue 4 from my local GW today, and I ordered 10 more Poxwalkers on ebay a couple of weeks back. To run Typhus properly and make use of his abilities you need a lot of Poxwalkers. I wonder if 48 counts as a lot.
One thing to note is that it's not the highest quality hardback - although it's perfectly serviceable and isn't going to fall apart, both the pages and the cover feels thinner and less stiff than other new hardbacks I own. That's to be expected though - looking at the two books I pulled off the shelf to compare it to, they have an RRP of £22.99 and £25, compared to just £9.99 for the Legends books!
Thanks for the headsup. So long as the paper is of paperback thickness it will do, too many hardback books go off the deep end with quality. The hard cover being weaker is more problematic, but so long as the bindings are true that does both me much.
The week-long+ wait for next day delivery sounds awful, but not entirely unexpected for this company.
Delays I can handle, missing post and damaged post will be the issues. Unpacking videos of Hachette books show them to be well packaged. I am concerned about bent and creased magazines, but the magazine was always a secondary concern.
I am taking this like a Kickstarter, I am willing to put up with delivery delays in return for a good deal.
Looking at the Legends collection there are some good choices in there. The Eisenhorn trilogy, First Heretic, Know No Fear, A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns and Betrayer are all great books IMO. I'm a bit surprised not to see Talon of Horus!
With the reprinting going on and the bonus sales on the back of Conquest they might extend the collection. I learned today that the delivery order is not the collection order. Issue numbers are on stickers on the front cover, collection orders are on the spine and differ,
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2018/10/05 16:48:50
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
3-6 turned up today, nice sized box that was mostly air.
Officer model is pretty nice, and can be de-smurfed without a huge amount of trouble, not assembled the rest as yet.
Slightly surprised the magazines haven't gone to showing the profiles as yet, given they now have multiple toughnesses, various weapon types etc I would have thought a focus on the profiles about I5 or I6 would have been a good idea (for the character or the poxwalkers), guessing that will come later though.
enjoying the way they have seriously illustrated the rules though, thats very well done and with a bit of luck when they get round to up-issuing the main rules a summary of this sort of thing would be a nice "getting started" guide (either in the box or with the rulebook).
Paint guides are decent as well, now rotating marines to show the rear better.
All in all, happy so far
2018/10/09 11:34:06
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
In the mags so far there is a separate to wound roll for Poxwalkers. Its a logical stopgap.
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2018/10/10 13:52:16
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Orlanth wrote: In the mags so far there is a separate to wound roll for Poxwalkers. Its a logical stopgap.
oh it works, its just clunky, was expecting them to stick as they have when its basically marine v marine, but the current 8th edition profiles are not hard to use.
just expected the "to wound" mechanic to have been explained.
dare say it will come, I'm liking the very heavily illustrated way they are doing the rules though
2018/10/10 22:41:00
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
GW benefits from an introduction to the ruleset workable to people who have no access to a games club.
Due to store saturation in the UK though the primary benefit in the partworks is in some way misplaced. It would be a far better idea doing this in the US and Canada. However Hachette is a UK company, and it works in other ways too.
Maybe a US partwork magazine company will licence this series.
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2018/10/11 10:41:41
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Orlanth wrote: What is simple to us may be complex to others.
GW benefits from an introduction to the ruleset workable to people who have no access to a games club.
Due to store saturation in the UK though the primary benefit in the partworks is in some way misplaced. It would be a far better idea doing this in the US and Canada. However Hachette is a UK company, and it works in other ways too.
Maybe a US partwork magazine company will licence this series.
hope this goes world wide, its a pretty good series. and totally agree on saturation in the UK
Just would have though that explaining the S v T dice roll and stats, plus the AP system would have been easier than the current "do this, except when you do this, or this or this" - it made sense for marine v marine.
the way they are covering stuff in a seriously well illustrated way seems specifically aimed at people who have no club and don't know anyone who plays - which is exactly the right way to teach a ruleset.
2018/10/11 20:28:13
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
My second subscription delivery arrived today. It was interesting how it panned out.
A few weeks back I downgraded from premium to standard subscription, I was informed by the CSA that would just change my subscription, I would be refunded the extra £4 I paid premium and my subscription would continue under a new number.
What I found today was what that meant. I only received issues 3 and 4 in this delivery so I will be permanently about two issues behind everyone else, that isn't an issue as I can keep up with which issues to buy extra of from YouTube openings. My package cost me £7.99 because issue 3 is still free. Most importantly this now counts as delivery 1 of my reformed subscription, so like last time I get just two issues, but also got free glue, clippers and mold line remover. The extra glue will come in handy and the extra clippers I will give away. i will box the spare mold line remover it appears the sort of thing that can easily go astray, but I might give it away if anyone in my local needs it.
All in all I am happy how this worked out, I had separately ordered a second copy of issue 5 from Hachette along with two books. The books did not arrive but the magazine did, I queried this is the SR's who confirmed the books were packaged from a different location. Which means so long as you order items together to get over £25 you get free shipping even if the items arrive separately.
Hachette Partworks has some weird business policies and appears very amateur to me, but so long as I get what I pay for this is fine. My other order of 40K Legends books has arrived and I am pleased with the quality. The last two days I have been nose into Dan Abnetts Titanicus.
People might take interest in knowing they can stop and restart subscription and relock the subscription benefits and gain them again. Though this was not my intention. It might be possible to restart at 1 still be a solid 4+ issues behind but get another copy of issue 1 if you didnt get enough of the extra freebies (there ARE some left over but only for subscription). Issue 1 start is still possible as of time of writing.
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2018/10/14 07:29:52
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
I realized that this partworks isn't right for me and I decided to cancel after the second delivery. I canceled by email, and received a response promptly. Within three or four days my account shows the subscription as "cancelled" and it doesn't look like I'll get billed for a third delivery - for now at least. I'll update if things change.
(I have family in the UK in case the flag on the left has anyone wondering).
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2018/10/14 13:21:04
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Got my first delivery. I started with issue 4, so expected 4 &5, what I received was 4,5 and 6. As I was charged for 2 issues, I'm guessing I have my free copy too.
At the moment I am just doing the DG stuff, but only because I need to pick a non smurf army to build. what I'm really waiting for is terain and vehicles
2018/10/14 15:17:57
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Dr Coconut wrote: Got my first delivery. I started with issue 4, so expected 4 &5, what I received was 4,5 and 6. As I was charged for 2 issues, I'm guessing I have my free copy too.
At the moment I am just doing the DG stuff, but only because I need to pick a non smurf army to build. what I'm really waiting for is terain and vehicles
Have my own colours as an alternative to smurfs here, thankfully the toilet seats were not too hard to remove from the nice character model. Hoping to paint this lot as they arrive so as not to fall too far behind...
certainly interested in the terrain though and expect some containers reasonably soon as they are on the little starter mat
2018/10/25 14:42:13
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Yesterday I bought two copies of issue 10, one for a friend and a spoare for me.
Looking at the back I was able to finally know which issue had the Blight Haulers.
I pre-ordered five from WH Smith, this is likely my largest single issue purchase.
My question for today. Are two trilobes of Blight Haulers too excessive?
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2018/10/25 20:46:18
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Over on the news and rumours thread GM Schofield has confirmed that the TTB Aggressors will be the miniatures in issue 11.
Ooh nice! Cheers for the heads up. Fingers crossed their will be some form of Death Guard character in the next delivery to even things up a bit. Maybe Lord Felthius and friends?
2018/10/27 17:26:07
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Orlanth wrote: Yesterday I bought two copies of issue 10, one for a friend and a spoare for me.
Looking at the back I was able to finally know which issue had the Blight Haulers.
I pre-ordered five from WH Smith, this is likely my largest single issue purchase.
My question for today. Are two trilobes of Blight Haulers too excessive?
If you have issue 10, can you confirm what we should expect in issues 11 and 12 from the back?
Oh and six Blight Haulers is definitely not too many
I have issue 8, which is the latest. £8 for a Primaris Librarian retailing for £22.50, the best deal since issue 1 so far.
On the back of each issue the next two issues are advertised, anything beyond that is generally rumour. We know roughly what is coming another 2 or so issues ahead from different sources, but no surity until the order is released. Hence we knew the Blight hauler was coming, but not which issue.
Hence I can only be sure up to issue 10, not from issue 10 (see below).
I strongly advise pre-ordering from your local newsagent, especially if you want more thna one copy, as they can order it in on top of their regular stock. This is the only blight hauler in the entire campaign, and its best to use in squads of three, so it makes sense to order two extra, or more if you are collecting Death Guard.
Oh and six Blight Haulers is definitely not too many
It was now or never for the price so I decided to get two trilobes of Blight Haulers I will assemble one and hold back on the other. Death Guard dont have much in the way of heavy weapons, so this is my shooty army option. I have no idea how viable that is.
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Over on the news and rumours thread GM Schofield has confirmed that the ETB Aggressors will be the miniatures in issue 11.
Yep, some have the subscriptions already. Mine are delayed because of moving from Premium to Standard.
Issue 11 are the not-Firebats and Issue 12 is the Foul Blightspawn. Definitely getting more Aggressors. One extra issue, or three hmmm, but I think the one Blightspawn will do.
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2018/10/28 17:18:33
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Just a heads up but on the back of issue 10 shows that the ETB aggressors are issue 11 models while the Death Guard chem backpack character is issue 12 model.
40k: Thousand Sons World Eaters
30k: Imperial Fists 405th Company
2018/10/29 00:01:28
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
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2018/11/05 01:52:23
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Just out of interest, I'm a relative newcomer to the hobby, and thought I'd give my newbie 2c.
I've found Conquest a pretty great way to get deeper into it and actually build/paint something rather than just buying and hoarding and putting 1 or 2 together every blue moon. I picked up an issue out of impulse and subscribed right after. The staggered release is a feature from my point of view, it keeps my low attention span in check and makes it very accessible for somebody who wants something passably decent for game use. I have been using text and video tutorials, but tbh my eyes tend to glaze over a little when it gets info-dense, so this is ideal for me.
I've been painting mostly IG thus far, and their fatigues - if not their tiny little jerk faces - are fairly forgiving to my clumsy mitten hands. As a kind of experiment though, I'm going to paint the DG exactly as outlined, because I'm not super interested in them as an army, I'm just using them for practice and I figure they're meant to be ugly as hell anyway it doesn't matter so much. The marines, I cheated a little and basecoated, but otherwise, same, I'll come back and paint exactly as outlined once I feel a little cockier (though my resolve wavered a little when I saw the Blood Angels earlier in thread).
I already had my own tools and paints, but I was impressed with the ones supplied, it would have been a great starting point to upgrade as needed (apart from the crappy brush), and the mini rules are really nicely designed to reward you with something playable quickly.
I had a quick look, but is there an up to date at a glance list of what we know to come with each issue so far?
2018/11/05 03:01:04
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Basecoating isnt cheating, the step is omitted because Hachee cannot ship spray cans.
Citadel base paints can go over plastic, but a spray primer is always advised. You can buy primer in Death guard Green and Macragge Blue, this makes things easier.
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2018/11/06 14:24:28
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
"Cheating" in terms of the self imposed challenge. I'm curious what results a novice following the mag instructions to the letter can get, and my DG figures are essentially paintbrush target practice.
2018/11/06 16:37:13
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
If you want a challenge, try the white color scheme seen in the codex for your DG
Primer won't help you with that.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2018/11/08 02:41:17
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
Jidmah wrote: If you want a challenge, try the white color scheme seen in the codex for your DG
Primer won't help you with that.
I suppose for the challenge you only use the paints the magazine provides. Maybe restricted to only using the crap starter brush, Emperor forbid. White will be available at some point, but it isn't released yet.
I would not consider it cheating on the challenge to give everything a white or black undercoat, or to use better brushes.
There is one advantage to appreciate about brush undercoating. The subscription campaign does offer several pots of Death Guard Green and Macragge Blue, four of each without having to buy extras, so wasteage is minimal and the task realistic.
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2018/11/08 09:33:45
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
At the moment, I'm following the steps for painting the Ultramarines (although with an added recess wash of Nuln Oil on the blue). Whether I continue with that or start doing my own thjing depends on when other paints come along, and whether we get any of the highlight colours for blue armour.
2018/11/08 16:20:13
Subject: Warhammer 40000 Conquest - A detailed primer.
WH Smith fethed up my order, and didn't get in my pre-order of issue 10. Those copies they did get were sold by the time I visited the store.
Anyone know a newsagent that stocks Conquest, preferably one that will ship.
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