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The Talos going up 25 points is silly when the real problem is prophets of flesh.

leopard wrote:

 ServiceGames wrote:

leopard wrote:
Just wishing that they decide to use a good few pages of CA2018 to reprint all the point values, as otherwise this becomes a mess.

Not disagreeing, but unfortunately I know this won't happen. If they were to reprint all of the point values in CA2018, they would very likely lose individual codex sales.

SG

Aware its unlikely, mores the pity.

but then I also wish they went back to printing this stuff to be split and stuck in a binder.

and thats not going to happen anytime soon either

Can we settle on a hope for a middle ground of all amended points values being printed together - plus the points (and rules?) for models which have been released without a book entry (Marbo, Eisenhorn, at least) - so at least there's one central source for the amended costs? Worst case is then after the Spring FAQ, where you may need to check Codex + latest CA + Spring FAQ, as opposed to just Codex + latest CA...

 Dysartes wrote:

leopard wrote:

 ServiceGames wrote:

leopard wrote:
Just wishing that they decide to use a good few pages of CA2018 to reprint all the point values, as otherwise this becomes a mess.

Not disagreeing, but unfortunately I know this won't happen. If they were to reprint all of the point values in CA2018, they would very likely lose individual codex sales.

SG

Aware its unlikely, mores the pity.

but then I also wish they went back to printing this stuff to be split and stuck in a binder.

and thats not going to happen anytime soon either

Can we settle on a hope for a middle ground of all amended points values being printed together - plus the points (and rules?) for models which have been released without a book entry (Marbo, Eisenhorn, at least) - so at least there's one central source for the amended costs? Worst case is then after the Spring FAQ, where you may need to check Codex + latest CA + Spring FAQ, as opposed to just Codex + latest CA...

I'd drink to that

 Dysartes wrote:

Can we settle on a hope for a middle ground of all amended points values being printed together - plus the points (and rules?) for models which have been released without a book entry (Marbo, Eisenhorn, at least) - so at least there's one central source for the amended costs? Worst case is then after the Spring FAQ, where you may need to check Codex + latest CA + Spring FAQ, as opposed to just Codex + latest CA...

But that way gw can't sell 2 books for point changes. Which is why i'm worried they won't reprint ca2017 points

CA2018 replaces CA2017. 18 will be built off of codex points, not 17 pts.

That's the HOPE but there's actually no official confirmation will it have modified point values of 17 that are still in effect or not.

Until there's official word anything else is pure speculation.

All the more reason my cheat sheets feature a line of text in the bottom corner of what updates are applied to that cheat sheet. My current ones read: "August 2018 Edition (CA17, FAQ18)" --- so I'll keep updating them with FAQ/Chapter Approved. It's slightly time consuming to start, but has been an absolute life saver.

Battlescribe is the best cheatsheet out there.

 mokoshkana wrote:
Battlescribe is the best cheatsheet out there.

Agreed. I would be totally lost amongst all the errata and point changes without it. The sooner GW get their act together and release their own the better. (And I don't mean that unusable Combat Roster crap).

 mokoshkana wrote:
Battlescribe is the best cheatsheet out there.

100% Agree. It's an invaluable resource for me at this point, but as always it's still good to check the sources from the codex itself. Mistakes DO happen and they can be big mistakes sometimes.

I just scribble in my books. I really dislike having to use my phone during the match.

Martel732 wrote:
I just scribble in my books. I really dislike having to use my phone during the match.

If you have access to a printer, you could print them

I like the scribblings. My old 2nd ed DnD books were full of house rules.

And it's not like the books have lasting value anyway, so I say scribble away. Although I use stick notes personally.
And I print out FAQs and put them in the books

Scribbles, post its, etc are all well and good for your list, but battlescribe offers you the ability to check your opponents list and rules. A quick 5 minutes during set up and you can recreate your opponents list. Saves time in the long run and ensures a clean game.

 mokoshkana wrote:
Scribbles, post its, etc are all well and good for your list, but battlescribe offers you the ability to check your opponents list and rules. A quick 5 minutes during set up and you can recreate your opponents list. Saves time in the long run and ensures a clean game.

Yeah I often do this when I hear something that sounds fishy or playing someone who seems off. I can very easily pull up the unit and question and give it a look. If they're right then no problems all drama avoided because I never needed to address it. If they're wrong I can ask them for their information. This process can skip that awkward "Hey can you show me where it says that?" situation if they are right.

I just wish Battle scribe wasn't so dang hard to read. I hate the format. When an opponent hands me a BS print out, I just look at it for 1 second, give it back and ask "Ok, so tell me about your army? What's in it, and what can it do?"

The sad part is that I think you can adjust the format to be far more readable, but no one does

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Yep, not to mention the frequent errors in Battlescribe "Well, but Battlescribe says..." holds no water with me.

Battlescribe seems to be pretty consistently correct, at least in 8th. Have there really been that many issues? It's not like GWs books are particularly error free either.

 LunarSol wrote:
Battlescribe seems to be pretty consistently correct, at least in 8th. Have there really been that many issues? It's not like GWs books are particularly error free either.

I may give BS a try for 8E. I've heard some horror stories from prior editions, but the format of 8E may be a bit more easy to translate for BS, so it might not be bad.
But it still feel faster and more accurate with my book, calculator, paper and pen.

Is BS free to download? How often does it update?

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Battlescribe mostly has errors in units that are rarely used.

Most common error is probably missing wargear like pistols or close combat weapons on units that have other primary roles.

There also is the issue of some units being allowed to be added from the index, despite GW being quite clear that they have been replaced by codex datasheets - because the rule writers want to enable people to use battlescribe if their TO rules otherwise.
Some people will see this as legitimization to field them anywhere.


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 Galef wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Battlescribe seems to be pretty consistently correct, at least in 8th. Have there really been that many issues? It's not like GWs books are particularly error free either.

I may give BS a try for 8E. I've heard some horror stories from prior editions, but the format of 8E may be a bit more easy to translate for BS, so it might not be bad.
But it still feel faster and more accurate with my book, calculator, paper and pen.

The UI is quite terrible and would make some of my UX colleagues cry if I showed it to them. (UX experts are people who get paid to make user interfaces easier to use)
You get used to it though, and even the terrible UI is better than pen&paper.
The most important feature not the UI, but the constantly updated data available through auto-update. That alone is what sets Battlescribe apart from all competition.

Is BS free to download?

Yes.

How often does it update?

All the time
Depends on the guy maintaining your faction, but usually within a day or three.

Better for phone or desktop? Or does that come down to user preference?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
I think one of the things GW should do is say that once an army has its own codex the index data sheets for that army are no longer available in matched play. I know that this will upset people who are using legacy models but this edition change happened more than a year ago. If you can't afford to update your army then just play open or narrative play games. The whole codex/index thing is confusing and adding unneeded complexity to the game at this point.

The edition may have been around for just over a year but the game itself has not. In the nicest possible way you can sod off with that suggestion.

I highly suspect they will invalidate Index datasheets for matched play some time soon.

Not before all in print models have moved to some sort of codex. I'd wager.

Then indexhammer will become a valid intro, as they'll become cheap!

Indexes + cards = good enough for garage play.

 Galef wrote:
Better for phone or desktop? Or does that come down to user preference?

I prefer computer, but have gotten used to the UI for mobile. I think the computer version is faster and easier to navigate and select wargear.

Playing necrons I have never come across errors in BS in 8th or 7th.

I have only good things to say about data correctness, the mobild app can become tediously slow at times, depending on how many rosters you have and if you synchronize with dropbox.

Which makes mem tear out my hair from times to times. But I couldn't live without it.

 chimeara wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Better for phone or desktop? Or does that come down to user preference?

I prefer computer, but have gotten used to the UI for mobile. I think the computer version is faster and easier to navigate and select wargear.

Its easier to use at the computer but I have no problems to use it at my iPhone.
On the other hand, the AoS app is quite nice. Much better than battlescribe on handy.

 Galef wrote:
Better for phone or desktop? Or does that come down to user preference?

Personally I use phone version only for checking rules if codex isn't available(codex is more convenient for me checking rules). For designing list the PC version beats the phone's sub menu after sub menu selection. Though even PC version has it's issues in UI though albeit that might be personal preferences(me I would rather have "this unit has X plasma pistols" rather than set up 5 specific dudes with plasma weapons. Fun when you have 10 guys you need to select gear manually for EVERY SINGLE GUY. That drives me nuts. But at least PC version isn't back-forth flipping sub menus after sub menu).