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It should be noted, GW was very open and upfront in March about delaying the March FAQ to April, because they thought it would benefit to include Adepticon-Feedback, which was am event on the last weekend of March.

I am surprised about the vitriol about that delay, because, at the time, the delay was announced early on and came with a sound reasoning, that, I felt, was largely well received. It certainly wasn’t some random, unexplained late publication and there was no announcement that the September FAQ would be late.

Infact, while the September FAQ remains the September FAQ, they said the other FAQ would drop in April in future years as well, precisely for that reason. Unless Adepticon changes dates, it‘ll be April and September next year as well.

I don't get all this talk about GW and not respecting deadlines.
We have indications that they are probably going to meet it, and in the worst case they are going to be a few days late. Doesn't seem to me like there is anything to discuss here.

The last time that they didn't meet the deadline, we got an official announcement for it.

Spoletta wrote:
I don't get all this talk about GW and not respecting deadlines.
We have indications that they are probably going to meet it, and in the worst case they are going to be a few days late. Doesn't seem to me like there is anything to discuss here.

The last time that they didn't meet the deadline, we got an official announcement for it.

Yeah, more or less, they can still meet the September FAQ deadline. Though translating the FAQ might take longer than some people might think, it could still release this month. Though I think they should probably just do a post or something about what they've been up to in regards to the content, what they see as the issues that they're solving, some weird rules questions that arose, etc that would allow them to show legitimately the effort they've put into it and their commitment to keeping quality above speed. It's strange to me that they haven't done such a thing.

Darsath wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
I don't get all this talk about GW and not respecting deadlines.
We have indications that they are probably going to meet it, and in the worst case they are going to be a few days late. Doesn't seem to me like there is anything to discuss here.

The last time that they didn't meet the deadline, we got an official announcement for it.

Yeah, more or less, they can still meet the September FAQ deadline. Though translating the FAQ might take longer than some people might think, it could still release this month. Though I think they should probably just do a post or something about what they've been up to in regards to the content, what they see as the issues that they're solving, some weird rules questions that arose, etc that would allow them to show legitimately the effort they've put into it and their commitment to keeping quality above speed. It's strange to me that they haven't done such a thing.

They basically did that last time with the stream, I wouldn't be surprised if there was something similar. Though personally I'd prefer a written document for commentary.

It's a good opportunity for us to work on our attitude to things that are out of our control. FAQ dates definitely fit that bill! Why let something that you have no say over disturb, anger or upset you?

The big point is that being disturbed, angry or upset are things that are under our control, unlike the vagaries of translating technical gaming terms into 20 languages. Don't let GW have a say over your wellbeing or character.

 grouchoben wrote:
It's a good opportunity for us to work on our attitude to things that are out of our control. FAQ dates definitely fit that bill! Why let something that you have no say over disturb, anger or upset you?

The big point is that being disturbed, angry or upset are things that are under our control, unlike the vagaries of translating technical gaming terms into 20 languages. Don't let GW have a say over your wellbeing or character.

So just because you can't do anything about something that is wrong means you shouldn't be angry about it happening? Just because you were unable to help prevent a genocide means it shouldn't disturb you that it happened?

Dude.

Back on topic:

Whether or not a FAQ is late isn't the end of the world and GW probably just needs some extra time, so people should chill out because it just doesn't matter that much. We can wish for better communications or timely delivery, and we should let GW know when we're unhappy with them. But we can be civil about it.

nekooni wrote:

So just because you can't do anything about something that is wrong means you shouldn't be angry about it happening? Just because you were unable to help prevent a genocide means it shouldn't disturb you that it happened?

Dude.

Back on topic:

Whether or not a FAQ is late isn't the end of the world and GW probably just needs some extra time, so people should chill out because it just doesn't matter that much. We can wish for better communications or timely delivery, and we should let GW know when we're unhappy with them. But we can be civil about it.

Well, the FAQ isn't late thus far. Getting upset about the possibility that it might be late, which in turn wouldn't be a big issue (and far from Genocide, lol), is silly. Yes.

Besides, if the September FAQ lands in October, that's more egg-on-their-face than waah-terribad-company. Especially if it were the first week.

After all, last FAQ they showed they'd rather miss their date and do something about a problem they saw than be able to say they made their date. That's a *good* thing. Should they have seen the problem earlier? Definitely. Are there better ways to handle it? Almost certainly. But they decided to fix more rather than meet the letter of their commitment. For that, I applaud them.

I'm confused, why are we complaining about them missing September? Its still September. There's still 4 days left. They could release the FAQ on the 30th at 23:59:59 and it would still be the September FAQ.

Here's why you don't make it an "Autumn" FAQ - when you manage projects you set your deadline so that you can manage to that expectation.

I guarantee that you people would bitch MORE if there was a wishy washy season it could be released in.

September 21st: AUTUMN FAQ WHEN?
October : AUTUMN FAQ WHEN?!
November : AUTUMN FAQ WHEN?!!!! (HURR DURR SNOW SO IT'S WINTER NOW!)
December: AUTUMN FAQ WHEN?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all know they wait until after the big tournaments to assess the changes. This will happen each year. Get over it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm confused, why are we complaining about them missing September? Its still September. There's still 4 days left. They could release the FAQ on the 30th at 23:59:59 and it would still be the September FAQ.

Basically someone said they'd be annoyed if it was late, and it spun out from there.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm confused, why are we complaining about them missing September? Its still September. There's still 4 days left. They could release the FAQ on the 30th at 23:59:59 and it would still be the September FAQ.

Complaining that it's not October in September is the new black. You should see the ork threads!


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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Here's why you don't make it an "Autumn" FAQ - when you manage projects you set your deadline so that you can manage to that expectation.

I guarantee that you people would bitch MORE if there was a wishy washy season it could be released in.

September 21st: AUTUMN FAQ WHEN?
October : AUTUMN FAQ WHEN?!
November : AUTUMN FAQ WHEN?!!!! (HURR DURR SNOW SO IT'S WINTER NOW!)
December: AUTUMN FAQ WHEN?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all know they wait until after the big tournaments to assess the changes. This will happen each year. Get over it.

You missed the part where people would do a 24 hour count-down on August 26th for the FAQ announcement on warhammer-community.

This thread is hilarious.

I can't believe I read that not being angry about the FAQ is the same as not being angry about genocide.

Ya'll need to chill out.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

nekooni wrote:

So just because you can't do anything about something that is wrong means you shouldn't be angry about it happening? Just because you were unable to help prevent a genocide means it shouldn't disturb you that it happened?

Dude.

Back on topic:

Whether or not a FAQ is late isn't the end of the world and GW probably just needs some extra time, so people should chill out because it just doesn't matter that much. We can wish for better communications or timely delivery, and we should let GW know when we're unhappy with them. But we can be civil about it.

Well, the FAQ isn't late thus far. Getting upset about the possibility that it might be late, which in turn wouldn't be a big issue (and far from Genocide, lol), is silly. Yes.

Obviously. I was just ranting about the general notion that if you can't change something you shouldn't be upset by it.

Removed - BrookM Noone will take that as serious and worthwhile feedback, because it isn't. It's just a temper tantrum.


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 djones520 wrote:
This thread is hilarious.

I can't believe I read that not being angry about the FAQ is the same as not being angry about genocide.

Ya'll need to chill out.

You might want to reread what I wrote, I don't think you got the point at all.

I don't hold GW to a very high standard. Can't be annoyed that we don't have the FAQ yet. Nor do I have very high expectations for what is inside it.

 Xenomancers wrote:
I don't hold GW to a very high standard. Can't be annoyed that we don't have the FAQ yet. Nor do I have very high expectations for what is inside it.

While I am slightly more optimistic, at least I can fully understand this position.

Nekooni, what do you think anxiety, rage and testiness about something that is completely out of your control are going to achieve? Honest question. Do you get furious with rain clouds? Apoplectic with wrinkles?

If we can avoid a catastrophising reaction towards events out of our control, we become better agents, because we can deal with them better, more calmly and with better proportion. We also become happier and more resilient people.

nekooni wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
It's a good opportunity for us to work on our attitude to things that are out of our control. FAQ dates definitely fit that bill! Why let something that you have no say over disturb, anger or upset you?

The big point is that being disturbed, angry or upset are things that are under our control, unlike the vagaries of translating technical gaming terms into 20 languages. Don't let GW have a say over your wellbeing or character.

So just because you can't do anything about something that is wrong means you shouldn't be angry about it happening? Just because you were unable to help prevent a genocide means it shouldn't disturb you that it happened?

Dude.

Back on topic:

Whether or not a FAQ is late isn't the end of the world and GW probably just needs some extra time, so people should chill out because it just doesn't matter that much. We can wish for better communications or timely delivery, and we should let GW know when we're unhappy with them. But we can be civil about it.

Well, nothing bad has happened yet, so getting angry about something that hasn't happened yet is actually pretty fething stupid.

 djones520 wrote:
This thread is hilarious.

I can't believe I read that not being angry about the FAQ is the same as not being angry about genocide.

Ya'll need to chill out.

Conjecture meets hyperbole in the perfect blend. Specific scenarios lead to predictable results. End of sept-> GW must have missed sept faq-> this is so wrong its social injustice-> equivocates to.. to.. genocide! Lolz. Once the FAQ is released the same people can be upset about the results. Its like all of whingeseer relocated here.


The good news is this thread is really just to identify those kids so you can avoid ever playing them. Fething funny I can't believe I took a break from this sort of drama for so long.

Maybe it is just me, but I just noticed that currently the GW FAQs are acting a bit squirrely when trying to load, so maybe something being added is the cause...

False alarm. About 10 minutes after I posted it was discovered that we were having some network issues in our office.

nekooni wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
It's a good opportunity for us to work on our attitude to things that are out of our control. FAQ dates definitely fit that bill! Why let something that you have no say over disturb, anger or upset you?

The big point is that being disturbed, angry or upset are things that are under our control, unlike the vagaries of translating technical gaming terms into 20 languages. Don't let GW have a say over your wellbeing or character.

So just because you can't do anything about something that is wrong means you shouldn't be angry about it happening? Just because you were unable to help prevent a genocide means it shouldn't disturb you that it happened?

Dude.

I just woke up, logged on, and WHAT THE HELL DID I MISS?

 ChargerIIC wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
It's a good opportunity for us to work on our attitude to things that are out of our control. FAQ dates definitely fit that bill! Why let something that you have no say over disturb, anger or upset you?

The big point is that being disturbed, angry or upset are things that are under our control, unlike the vagaries of translating technical gaming terms into 20 languages. Don't let GW have a say over your wellbeing or character.

So just because you can't do anything about something that is wrong means you shouldn't be angry about it happening? Just because you were unable to help prevent a genocide means it shouldn't disturb you that it happened?

Dude.

I just woke up, logged on, and WHAT THE HELL DID I MISS?

Nothing really - some people are arguing about the timeliness of the FAQs - the rest of us just waiting to see what they do in due course.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
It's a good opportunity for us to work on our attitude to things that are out of our control. FAQ dates definitely fit that bill! Why let something that you have no say over disturb, anger or upset you?

The big point is that being disturbed, angry or upset are things that are under our control, unlike the vagaries of translating technical gaming terms into 20 languages. Don't let GW have a say over your wellbeing or character.

So just because you can't do anything about something that is wrong means you shouldn't be angry about it happening? Just because you were unable to help prevent a genocide means it shouldn't disturb you that it happened?

Dude.

I just woke up, logged on, and WHAT THE HELL DID I MISS?

Basically we're out of stuff to get annoyed about in the run up to the FAQ, so we're getting annoyed at each other either for getting too annoyed about things or not getting annoyed enough about things.

Basically just passing the time! *Twiddles thumbs*

Looks like not today - they have posted a necromunda article.

If I were GW Community Team, I'd take this as the as an excellent opportunity to troll the trolls.

"New FAQ! Click >Here<"

*Clicks*

'Warhammer Community FAQ Timing FAQ'

Q: Is the FAQ Here Yet?
A: No, but it's coming soon!

There is not enough awesome in GW to pull off something like that.

There should be a timer counting down to the FAQ on the site, but it resets just when its about to hit 0. When it resets there would be a message - "Someone asked about the FAQ. Reset the Clock"

 ChargerIIC wrote:
If I were GW Community Team, I'd take this as the as an excellent opportunity to troll the trolls.

"New FAQ! Click >Here<"

*Clicks*

'Warhammer Community FAQ Timing FAQ'

Q: Is the FAQ Here Yet?
A: No, but it's coming soon!

That's exactly the kind of mentality a company should have - trolling it's own customers lol.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
Looks like not today - they have posted a necromunda article.

Excellent resource allocation from GW right here. Flag ship game that makes 80% of the money taking back seat to a mini game that 1/100 customers are interested in. Amazing.

nekooni wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

nekooni wrote:

So just because you can't do anything about something that is wrong means you shouldn't be angry about it happening? Just because you were unable to help prevent a genocide means it shouldn't disturb you that it happened?

Dude.

Back on topic:

Whether or not a FAQ is late isn't the end of the world and GW probably just needs some extra time, so people should chill out because it just doesn't matter that much. We can wish for better communications or timely delivery, and we should let GW know when we're unhappy with them. But we can be civil about it.

Well, the FAQ isn't late thus far. Getting upset about the possibility that it might be late, which in turn wouldn't be a big issue (and far from Genocide, lol), is silly. Yes.

Obviously. I was just ranting about the general notion that if you can't change something you shouldn't be upset by it.

And even if it ends up late we should have a more reasonable reaction than autistic screeching. Noone will take that as serious and worthwhile feedback, because it isn't. It's just a temper tantrum.


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 djones520 wrote:
This thread is hilarious.

I can't believe I read that not being angry about the FAQ is the same as not being angry about genocide.

Ya'll need to chill out.

You might want to reread what I wrote, I don't think you got the point at all.

Please don't lump autistic people in the same group as entitled whiners. It's not the same and stating such pretty much just makes you a gak

 Stux wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
It's a good opportunity for us to work on our attitude to things that are out of our control. FAQ dates definitely fit that bill! Why let something that you have no say over disturb, anger or upset you?

The big point is that being disturbed, angry or upset are things that are under our control, unlike the vagaries of translating technical gaming terms into 20 languages. Don't let GW have a say over your wellbeing or character.

So just because you can't do anything about something that is wrong means you shouldn't be angry about it happening? Just because you were unable to help prevent a genocide means it shouldn't disturb you that it happened?

Dude.

I just woke up, logged on, and WHAT THE HELL DID I MISS?

Basically we're out of stuff to get annoyed about in the run up to the FAQ, so we're getting annoyed at each other either for getting too annoyed about things or not getting annoyed enough about things.

Basically just passing the time! *Twiddles thumbs*

I really can't wait to be annoyed by the FAQs content rather than it's non existence.