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 Xenomancers wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
If I were GW Community Team, I'd take this as the as an excellent opportunity to troll the trolls.

"New FAQ! Click >Here<"

*Clicks*

'Warhammer Community FAQ Timing FAQ'

Q: Is the FAQ Here Yet?
A: No, but it's coming soon!

That's exactly the kind of mentality a company should have - trolling it's own customers lol.

Worked for Wendy's.

Seriously, the occassional cheekiness is better than being given the silent treatment because it at least shows that someone is listening. That said, to really sell the joke "soon" should be TM'd.

I wonder if how chill you are about FAQ/errata is correlated in anyway with how good your faction is, or how big your budget for gaming is. Would be fun to find out that people get les chill the worse they faction are doing or if they are stuck with what they have no matter what the changes are.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
If I were GW Community Team, I'd take this as the as an excellent opportunity to troll the trolls.

"New FAQ! Click >Here<"

*Clicks*

'Warhammer Community FAQ Timing FAQ'

Q: Is the FAQ Here Yet?
A: No, but it's coming soon!

That's exactly the kind of mentality a company should have - trolling it's own customers lol.

Worked for Wendy's.

Seriously, the occassional cheekiness is better than being given the silent treatment because it at least shows that someone is listening. That said, to really sell the joke "soon" should be TM'd.

If I get trolled at wendies - I'll just troll them back. GW is like the ultimate troll - you can't troll them back.

 Stux wrote:

Darsath wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
I don't get all this talk about GW and not respecting deadlines.
We have indications that they are probably going to meet it, and in the worst case they are going to be a few days late. Doesn't seem to me like there is anything to discuss here.

The last time that they didn't meet the deadline, we got an official announcement for it.

Yeah, more or less, they can still meet the September FAQ deadline. Though translating the FAQ might take longer than some people might think, it could still release this month. Though I think they should probably just do a post or something about what they've been up to in regards to the content, what they see as the issues that they're solving, some weird rules questions that arose, etc that would allow them to show legitimately the effort they've put into it and their commitment to keeping quality above speed. It's strange to me that they haven't done such a thing.

They basically did that last time with the stream, I wouldn't be surprised if there was something similar. Though personally I'd prefer a written document for commentary.

Didn't someone check the stream schedule earlier in the thread, and all the slots for the week were already filled with things?

 Xenomancers wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
If I were GW Community Team, I'd take this as the as an excellent opportunity to troll the trolls.

"New FAQ! Click >Here<"

*Clicks*

'Warhammer Community FAQ Timing FAQ'

Q: Is the FAQ Here Yet?
A: No, but it's coming soon!

That's exactly the kind of mentality a company should have - trolling it's own customers lol.

Worked for Wendy's.

Seriously, the occassional cheekiness is better than being given the silent treatment because it at least shows that someone is listening. That said, to really sell the joke "soon" should be TM'd.

If I get trolled at wendies - I'll just troll them back. GW is like the ultimate troll - you can't troll them back.

I meant more the Wendy's twitter than the restaurants themselves. That said, you can troll their FB page!

Seriously though, I have to ask, did the last big FAQ come out on a weekend or a weekday? I was in hiatus at the time so I don't know exactly when it dropped.

I think someone mentioned earlier in the thread it was a Tuesday, but I could be wrong.

Quick! Someone summon M.Bison!

 Dysartes wrote:
I think someone mentioned earlier in the thread it was a Tuesday, but I could be wrong.

Quick! Someone summon M.Bison!

If it was a weekday then I have no idea what we're waiting for unless they're having last minute proofing to deal with involving other languages or something like that.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I think someone mentioned earlier in the thread it was a Tuesday, but I could be wrong.

Quick! Someone summon M.Bison!

If it was a weekday then I have no idea what we're waiting for unless they're having last minute proofing to deal with involving other languages or something like that.

It was a Monday, apparently. GW claims, as of yesterday, they're just working on layout and translating.

Audustum wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I think someone mentioned earlier in the thread it was a Tuesday, but I could be wrong.

Quick! Someone summon M.Bison!

If it was a weekday then I have no idea what we're waiting for unless they're having last minute proofing to deal with involving other languages or something like that.

It was a Monday, apparently. GW claims, as of yesterday, they're just working on layout and translating.

Considering good translation takes a bit I can understand if that caused some delays, especially if the game got reworked to better match RAI following Nova.

Yeah the thing is those translations end up being horrible in the end anyway. I only read the german and french ones, and those are horrible. The rules work in different way.

Karol wrote:
Yeah the thing is those translations end up being horrible in the end anyway. I only read the german and french ones, and those are horrible. The rules work in different way.

Well here's to hoping that the translations are getting better!

Either way, I feel like if they have a delay on this stuff a little more open communication would be nice just so we can temper our impatience a bit with the information.

Karol wrote:
I wonder if how chill you are about FAQ/errata is correlated in anyway with how good your faction is, or how big your budget for gaming is. Would be fun to find out that people get les chill the worse they faction are doing or if they are stuck with what they have no matter what the changes are.

I play Tyranids and take care of my brother's Dark Angels and Thousand sons (rubrics). The FAQ impact on me is probably zero, i'm just waiting it to snack on some popcorns.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Karol wrote:
Yeah the thing is those translations end up being horrible in the end anyway. I only read the german and french ones, and those are horrible. The rules work in different way.

Well here's to hoping that the translations are getting better!

Either way, I feel like if they have a delay on this stuff a little more open communication would be nice just so we can temper our impatience a bit with the information.

Again, which is what they did in March. They posted that there would be a delay, said it's because they decided to include Adepticon feedback, and that was that.

Given they didn't post anything about a delay, it seems reasonable to assume that there is no delay and that it'll presumably be out late Saturday or Sunday as to not steal any thunder from the new Shadespire in GW stores and the various Shadespire Nightvault launch events across the world on Saturday.

A lot get's lost in translation I am sure. Heck - a lot gets lost in translation In the English version too. Really - without understanding the rules themselves - it should be impossible to translate them into another language. lol.


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https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/warhammer_40000_The_Big_FAQ_1_2018_en.pdf

That is the grand big FAQ 1. A document which could be created in about 30 minutes and probably was created in about 30 minutes.

WTF are you talking about a delay - this isn't a 200-300 page report we are talking about. This is just putting ideas onto paper that get jabbered about all over the place.

Plus this can be a compete living document.

You know I just had a mind blown type epiphany. What if the reason GW rules suck so bad is that they are first written in some language that is not English and then translated into English?

 Xenomancers wrote:
A lot get's lost in translation I am sure. Heck - a lot gets lost in translation In the English version too. Really - without understanding the rules themselves - it should be impossible to translate them into another language. lol.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/warhammer_40000_The_Big_FAQ_1_2018_en.pdf

That is the grand big FAQ 1. A document which could be created in about 30 minutes and probably was created in about 30 minutes.

WTF are you talking about a delay - this isn't a 200-300 page report we are talking about. This is just putting ideas onto paper that get jabbered about all over the place.

Plus this can be a compete living document.

You know I just had a mind blown type epiphany. What if the reason GW rules suck so bad is that they are first written in some language that is not English and then translated into English?

You know the "Big FAQ" wasn't just that one document, but an update to all FAQs for all Codexes, the BRB, Chapter Approved, etc.. at the same day. A lot of impactful changes were actually in the individual codex FAQ updates, the BRB FAQ update, etc.., etc.. It'll be so again this time around, almost certainly, because the Space Wolves one is being held, apparently, to go live at the same time, instead of being updated again a week or two after it's normal release by the "Big FAQ".

That said, I don't think it is just translation, but also timing to not interfere with the Saturday releases of Nightvault.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
A lot get's lost in translation I am sure. Heck - a lot gets lost in translation In the English version too. Really - without understanding the rules themselves - it should be impossible to translate them into another language. lol.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/warhammer_40000_The_Big_FAQ_1_2018_en.pdf

That is the grand big FAQ 1. A document which could be created in about 30 minutes and probably was created in about 30 minutes.

WTF are you talking about a delay - this isn't a 200-300 page report we are talking about. This is just putting ideas onto paper that get jabbered about all over the place.

Plus this can be a compete living document.

You know I just had a mind blown type epiphany. What if the reason GW rules suck so bad is that they are first written in some language that is not English and then translated into English?

You know the "Big FAQ" wasn't just that one document, but an update to all FAQs for all Codexes, the BRB, Chapter Approved, etc.. at the same day. A lot of impactful changes were actually in the individual codex FAQ updates, the BRB FAQ update, etc.., etc.. It'll be so again this time around, almost certainly, because the Space Wolves one is being held, apparently, to go live at the same time, instead of being updated again a week or two after it's normal release by the "Big FAQ".

That said, I don't think it is just translation, but also timing to not interfere with the Saturday releases of Nightvault.

That is true - but those updates to individual FAQs and codex was not all released at once. It was updated over time. After the big FAQ date. Also with 0 reference to what changes were made. Seems more like the work of a summer intern than a game balance crew of a multi million dollar game which is also the leader in the industry. I wish Gordon Ramsey played 40k so we could get his take on this. I would love to hear him rant about what a bad job they are doing.

Ramsey:
"This FAQ is Gak" "I can't serve this Gak in my store? Throw it out - Start over - Find a new job you hack" "You are Gak" LOL.

Gak Night-vault. Who cares? Too many mini games. Make 40k models and they will sell 10x faster...This is the crap I am talking about.

 Xenomancers wrote:
A lot get's lost in translation I am sure. Heck - a lot gets lost in translation In the English version too. Really - without understanding the rules themselves - it should be impossible to translate them into another language. lol.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/warhammer_40000_The_Big_FAQ_1_2018_en.pdf

That is the grand big FAQ 1. A document which could be created in about 30 minutes and probably was created in about 30 minutes.

WTF are you talking about a delay - this isn't a 200-300 page report we are talking about. This is just putting ideas onto paper that get jabbered about all over the place.

Plus this can be a compete living document.

You know I just had a mind blown type epiphany. What if the reason GW rules suck so bad is that they are first written in some language that is not English and then translated into English?

I assume playtesting the changes, or at least running them by playtesters for feedback on clarity is a step they now take. Then you'd give them over to a translation team, then from there they're given over to a team than handles the layouts and makes the documents before being put up for mass release.

At least that's how I assume it could work. I always reserve the right to be wrong or for GW to be trolling everyone by waiting for a Sep 30 release for no real reason.

I am so ready to be disappointed you guys don't even know.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
I am so ready to be disappointed you guys don't even know.

My philosophy has always been to expect it late, expect it to not do much. That way I can't be disappointed!

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
I am so ready to be disappointed you guys don't even know.

If you can still be disappointed your standards haven't lowered enough.

I'm not angry or stressed about the FAQ - just quietly amused at the potential own goal of missing their own deadlines twice in a year...

All this premature schadenfreude is ridiculous.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm not angry or stressed about the FAQ - just quietly amused at the potential own goal of missing their own deadlines twice in a year...

Doesn't matter a jot to me if it's a bit late. The content is what matters.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
If I were GW Community Team, I'd take this as the as an excellent opportunity to troll the trolls.

"New FAQ! Click >Here<"

*Clicks*

'Warhammer Community FAQ Timing FAQ'

Q: Is the FAQ Here Yet?
A: No, but it's coming soon!

That's exactly the kind of mentality a company should have - trolling it's own customers lol.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
Looks like not today - they have posted a necromunda article.

Excellent resource allocation from GW right here. Flag ship game that makes 80% of the money taking back seat to a mini game that 1/100 customers are interested in. Amazing.

Are you under the impression that the warhammer community article writer should have been writing the 40k FAQ instead? Something tells me the rules writers should probably be the better choice

Yeah I'm sure they put everything at head office on hold to rush this Necromunda article out

Yeah. Necromunda isn't even done by the main GW game studio.

It's a product from the Specialist Game Studio (formerly Forge World).

If (if!) some actual game designer was involved in this article over and above the community page writers/marketing guys, it wasn't a designer from the studio doing 40K, AoS, etc.., but from the Necromunda/Blood Bowl/Titanicus/Heresy/etc.. team.

I'm *fairly* sure many of the faction FAQs were updated same-day with the Big FAQ - not over time, one at a time. Other edits to them did happen, but there was a slate of updates with the FAQ.

Also, if they only spent 30 minutes on the big FAQ, why was it so much better at helping balance the game than 90% of what we see in Proposed Rules?

I'm not saying GW is great. I'm saying balance isn't as trivial.

 Stux wrote:
Yeah I'm sure they put everything at head office on hold to rush this Necromunda article out

What if the studios are separate and have separate testers etc, but the interns that do the web updating, making of the pdfs are the same people for whole GW


I wonder which faction is going to get the most changes, or will it just be that the trail rules that everyone has been using since spring are just going to be made official, and that ends up being the whole FAQ.

Karol wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Yeah I'm sure they put everything at head office on hold to rush this Necromunda article out

What if the studios are separate and have separate testers etc, but the interns that do the web updating, making of the pdfs are the same people for whole GW


I wonder which faction is going to get the most changes, or will it just be that the trail rules that everyone has been using since spring are just going to be made official, and that ends up being the whole FAQ.

WARHAMMER CORE RULES ERRATA 09/27/2018

Q: Why is this page blank?
A: Because the game, like you, is perfect.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Yeah I'm sure they put everything at head office on hold to rush this Necromunda article out

What if the studios are separate and have separate testers etc, but the interns that do the web updating, making of the pdfs are the same people for whole GW


I wonder which faction is going to get the most changes, or will it just be that the trail rules that everyone has been using since spring are just going to be made official, and that ends up being the whole FAQ.

WARHAMMER CORE RULES ERRATA 09/27/2018

Q: Why is this page blank?
A: Because the game, like you, is perfect.

Are you making fun of me because I have asperger? Or is this a joke?