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Kinda surprised, figured he would have been the last one to be released. I guess that honor will likely be the Lion then. As for the model, it's ok. I like the face, wings, and armor. The sword is a little strange looking and kind small and I really don't like how he is attached to the rock.

It's just Jagatai Khan and Lion el'Jonson to go now, is that right?

Yup.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It's just Jagatai Khan and Lion el'Jonson to go now, is that right?

There's also Omegon. There's a rumor his rules are also in the upcoming book.

Book 8 will be available to pre-order soon with a drop date of Mid march, and the Dreadnought Drop Pod is back!

Such a shame Horus Heresy is dead, and we don't get any new models for it or anything.

Now we are, Also so far I love the design on the blood angel praeotrs/Raldoron. sanguinius is way better with full base.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It's just Jagatai Khan and Lion el'Jonson to go now, is that right?

As well as updated versions of the Primachs who were altered or changed during the war.

Has the Forgeworld price hike hurt their HH sales at all?

I was beyond shocked when I logged in to see what a unit of terminators now costs! 130$ for 5!? That is beyond insane! I already thought 100$ was too much for a primarch model, and now I see they're nearly doubled in price, what the heck is going on
?

 Togusa wrote:
Has the Forgeworld price hike hurt their HH sales at all?

I was beyond shocked when I logged in to see what a unit of terminators now costs! 130$ for 5!? That is beyond insane! I already thought 100$ was too much for a primarch model, and now I see they're nearly doubled in price, what the heck is going on
?

Check your delivery country, I'm showing US prices on Termies between $62 and $93. Which is still ridiculous...

 necrontyrOG wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Has the Forgeworld price hike hurt their HH sales at all?

I was beyond shocked when I logged in to see what a unit of terminators now costs! 130$ for 5!? That is beyond insane! I already thought 100$ was too much for a primarch model, and now I see they're nearly doubled in price, what the heck is going on
?

Check your delivery country, I'm showing US prices on Termies between $62 and $93. Which is still ridiculous...

Thanks,

Also, Aus. Poor AUS.

Yeah, I don’t understand why GW/FW keep getting enough sales in Australia and New Zealand to maintain their pricing structure.

It’s not surprising that the UK has taken over in the world of 30k podcasting, after a very slow start relative to Australia, the US, and Canada. (To be fair, the first dedicated 30k podcast was British, but it slowed way down for a while.)

Anyone else underwhelmed by the White Scars minis? It looks like someone was given a bunch of random ideas and just shotgunned them all over the models. It may also just be the really really poor paintjobs from FW studio models lately.

 Elbows wrote:
Anyone else underwhelmed by the White Scars minis? It looks like someone was given a bunch of random ideas and just shotgunned them all over the models. It may also just be the really really poor paintjobs from FW studio models lately.

the studio paint jobs have always lacked something and the white scars dreds are just another example. they always feel cold when should be hot and vice-versa. I'm currently working on my Salamanders legion contemptor specifically to make it look better than the studio version.

I do really like the hammered bronze look on the Leviathan & Contemptor. But the studios stuff is to make it look good enough so when you look at it, you can figure out what to do with it. But not Golden demon level so people dont think subconsciously "I cant make it look that good, so I shouldnt buy it".

Carlisimo wrote:
Yeah, I don’t understand why GW/FW keep getting enough sales in Australia and New Zealand to maintain their pricing structure.

They don't; in their last report AUS/NZ were the only region to not post growth.

The major issue is that there are a lot of whales, who go in on every single release. I know of multiple people who buy every new release each week, and have done so for at least a few years.

 Elbows wrote:
Anyone else underwhelmed by the White Scars minis? It looks like someone was given a bunch of random ideas and just shotgunned them all over the models. It may also just be the really really poor paintjobs from FW studio models lately.

It is the pain job. The models are stunning when you look at their unpainted versions. GW and FW have a particular style of painting that I think trends more towards eye catching than... What I would call a desirable color scheme. Like the 40k Deathguard and Nurgle models. The studio paint jobs are very cartoony/goofy. When you see other painters paint them with darker colors, they actually look frightening.

The funny thing is 30k players are growing in the AUS and the USA, but that is because of the use of recasters.

Given the insane prices, I am fine with that.

LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:
The funny thing is 30k players are growing in the AUS and the USA, but that is because of the use of recasters.

Given the insane prices, I am fine with that.

I would hope that this would signal to GW that their pricing structure for international customers is out of sync. Unfortunately, knowing GW, a big fat NOPE!

They basically priced me out of a good portion of their range. I'll still buy smaller stuff(under $100ish) but I was looking at a Warhound or a Fellblade & now I just cant justify the cost and I will never buy counterfeit. Maybe if I go over to the UK I'll stop buy Nottingham and buy one direct from the source.

FW needs another plastic big box to lessen the barrier to entry. Calth & Prospero were great values and a MKV plastic kit would look dope. It could also be a way to make a plastic deimos rhino or something else that's dope(leviathan anyone?).

Loving those white scars! Can't wait for their release!

Winter wrote:

Carlisimo wrote:
Yeah, I don’t understand why GW/FW keep getting enough sales in Australia and New Zealand to maintain their pricing structure.

They don't; in their last report AUS/NZ were the only region to not post growth.

The major issue is that there are a lot of whales, who go in on every single release. I know of multiple people who buy every new release each week, and have done so for at least a few years.

How in the world do they have time to build all of that, let alone paint it? Even if they do, they couldn't possibly have any time to actually play with it after they've done all that. Do they just collect them to have a room full of unopened boxes they might get to one day?


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LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:
The funny thing is 30k players are growing in the AUS and the USA, but that is because of the use of recasters.

Given the insane prices, I am fine with that.

In my circles, the only thing the price hike did was convince people to finally do some research and try recasts. Several of them have equal quality to FW at 30-50% of the price. At least one I know of uses non-toxic resin that looks just like FWs. You literally can't tell the difference even before the pieces have been cleaned up and glued together. I've seen people post pics on Facebook groups of models from that recaster and nobody even questions them at all. They look 100% legit.

 Toofast wrote:

Winter wrote:

Carlisimo wrote:
Yeah, I don’t understand why GW/FW keep getting enough sales in Australia and New Zealand to maintain their pricing structure.

They don't; in their last report AUS/NZ were the only region to not post growth.

The major issue is that there are a lot of whales, who go in on every single release. I know of multiple people who buy every new release each week, and have done so for at least a few years.

How in the world do they have time to build all of that, let alone paint it? Even if they do, they couldn't possibly have any time to actually play with it after they've done all that. Do they just collect them to have a room full of unopened boxes they might get to one day?


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LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:
The funny thing is 30k players are growing in the AUS and the USA, but that is because of the use of recasters.

Given the insane prices, I am fine with that.

In my circles, the only thing the price hike did was convince people to finally do some research and try recasts. Several of them have equal quality to FW at 30-50% of the price. At least one I know of uses non-toxic resin that looks just like FWs. You literally can't tell the difference even before the pieces have been cleaned up and glued together. I've seen people post pics on Facebook groups of models from that recaster and nobody even questions them at all. They look 100% legit.

Its an open secret here. Hell even some of the local shop owner understand and give zero feths.

LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:

 Toofast wrote:

Winter wrote:

Carlisimo wrote:
Yeah, I don’t understand why GW/FW keep getting enough sales in Australia and New Zealand to maintain their pricing structure.

They don't; in their last report AUS/NZ were the only region to not post growth.

The major issue is that there are a lot of whales, who go in on every single release. I know of multiple people who buy every new release each week, and have done so for at least a few years.

How in the world do they have time to build all of that, let alone paint it? Even if they do, they couldn't possibly have any time to actually play with it after they've done all that. Do they just collect them to have a room full of unopened boxes they might get to one day?


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LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:
The funny thing is 30k players are growing in the AUS and the USA, but that is because of the use of recasters.

Given the insane prices, I am fine with that.

In my circles, the only thing the price hike did was convince people to finally do some research and try recasts. Several of them have equal quality to FW at 30-50% of the price. At least one I know of uses non-toxic resin that looks just like FWs. You literally can't tell the difference even before the pieces have been cleaned up and glued together. I've seen people post pics on Facebook groups of models from that recaster and nobody even questions them at all. They look 100% legit.

Its an open secret here. Hell even some of the local shop owner understand and give zero feths.

It's definitely an unfortunate reality. When someone can get FW quality casts for a fraction of the price, people are hard pressed to resist.

Forge World have done themselves no favours in regards to the recasting situation.

 blood reaper wrote:
Forge World have done themselves no favours in regards to the recasting situation.

There's nothing they can do any more than any of the other miniatures companies being killed by recasters. Most are based in countries with loose copyright laws and medium to high legal corruption. Those same countries can cut corners on everything from wages to equipment costs while European companies are forced to a certain quality and human rights standard. Since people are much more interested in passing legal wage/humanitarian laws than actually buying items created by those laws it's a doomed enterprise from the beginning.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Forge World have done themselves no favours in regards to the recasting situation.

There's nothing they can do any more than any of the other miniatures companies being killed by recasters. Most are based in countries with loose copyright laws and medium to high legal corruption. Those same countries can cut corners on everything from wages to equipment costs while European companies are forced to a certain quality and human rights standard. Since people are much more interested in passing legal wage/humanitarian laws than actually buying items created by those laws it's a doomed enterprise from the beginning.

I wouldn't say that there's nothing they can do about it. Some people who buy from recasters will always buy the cheapest thing, even when the price difference is not great. But there are other people who will buy from the legitimate source if the price/quality/customer service are in line with their expectations. FW has continuously failed to live up to that ratio.

After they opened the new warehouse in the US that should have simplified their logistics and allowed for more efficiency in distribution. I would think that you try to make up the investment costs by selling a higher volume of things. Living in opposite land, the prices went up which throttled any chance of growth.

To signal my support of them giving mechanicum units 40k rules I bought the drill when they released 40k rules. The model had release agent all over it and some leaked into the resin and discolored which making the surface more resistant to paint sticking to it. I took a picture and sent it off to FW. They gave me some advice to clean it that might melt the resin if I wasn't careful and didn't try to give me a non-garbage model. I later came into possession of a recast version of the model. It was perfect and wasn't layered in goo.

I think most of us have similar stories. FW continues to charge for premium products sold in a boutique customer care environment, but the reality doesn't match up. So what could they do to boost sales and overcome recasters? They can literally try anything from sales 101, but they choose to do nothing and continue to under fund that department.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Forge World have done themselves no favours in regards to the recasting situation.

There's nothing they can do any more than any of the other miniatures companies being killed by recasters. Most are based in countries with loose copyright laws and medium to high legal corruption. Those same countries can cut corners on everything from wages to equipment costs while European companies are forced to a certain quality and human rights standard. Since people are much more interested in passing legal wage/humanitarian laws than actually buying items created by those laws it's a doomed enterprise from the beginning.

They could not kill off product lines that people want, not have unreasonable pricing for things or just be better in general.

I think they've been ceasing production of things people didn't want.

Which is why so many people were happy at the removal of things. Wait a minute.....

There's a vocal group that don't like that some items that they may have wanted to buy but kept actually not (or who were always looking at them and going 'maybe next paycheck').
FW is aware of high demand for MK2 armour at things like the Weekender and have replied with 'maybe we'll bring them back' but gave no guarantees.

No matter how much people on forums will say they wanted something that's no longer available now there was a clear situation of items just not selling, which was why they will have been removed. No company normally cuts items that are selling.

Kindly cease all recast discussion, thank you.