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 Kawauso wrote:
As someone who only has a handful of Eldar models I have to say this box set is actually pretty appealing to me. Particularly since I'm going for Iyanden.

The primaris will give a nice little boost to my vanilla marines and Blood Angels, as well.

I was on the fence about the Kill Team starter (mainly interested in the terrain which, even then, I didn't technically *need*) but I'm probably going to have to track down one of these.

This is the case for me, as well. Been focusing on getting a ton of Deathwatch Primaris stuff ready to go (so I can stop proxying my Blood Ravens in their place...). Boxes like this are PERFECT.

Just need to find someone to split the Eldar half with, haha

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

Process wrote:

My personal theory is that these boxes are shelf clearers paired with a mold payment device.

Do they need to do this? Is it cheaper to write, layout and print the booklet, design, print and manufacture the boxes and fit it into the release schedule, than to just toss unsold sprues into the grinder and make something else? It's not like these are resin models or carved wooden pieces that are non-recyclable. Every time a box like this comes out, someone claims it's just a way to get rid of inventory, and no-one has ever justified that assertion.

While I'm not in the habit of making such claims, not the least because I don't know or care why and how GW selects the models they put into these kinds of boxes, with the recent production bottlenecks they had to deal with it might be convenient to put units into boxed sets that they have excess stock of, to ease pressure on their production.

I'm happy to have a release coming up that I don't really want. I feel as though I've been getting hit in the wallet by a lot of recent releases. I'll probably just pluck that Power Sword Marine off eBay or something since it is (to my knowledge) the only Primaries to come with a Power Sword (sans Dark Imperium Gravis Armor Captain.)

 TheGreatBeard wrote:
I'm happy to have a release coming up that I don't really want. I feel as though I've been getting hit in the wallet by a lot of recent releases. I'll probably just pluck that Power Sword Marine off eBay or something since it is (to my knowledge) the only Primaries to come with a Power Sword (sans Dark Imperium Gravis Armor Captain.)

Dark Angels Primaris Lieutenant Zakariah and the BA lieutenant also have them.

I wonder if this will drop with the FAQ or have the FAQ changes in them?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 TheGreatBeard wrote:
I'm happy to have a release coming up that I don't really want. I feel as though I've been getting hit in the wallet by a lot of recent releases. I'll probably just pluck that Power Sword Marine off eBay or something since it is (to my knowledge) the only Primaries to come with a Power Sword (sans Dark Imperium Gravis Armor Captain.)

Dark Angels Primaris Lieutenant Zakariah and the BA lieutenant also have them.

Spoiler:

And one of the Dark Imperium lieutenants.

 Crimson wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 TheGreatBeard wrote:
I'm happy to have a release coming up that I don't really want. I feel as though I've been getting hit in the wallet by a lot of recent releases. I'll probably just pluck that Power Sword Marine off eBay or something since it is (to my knowledge) the only Primaries to come with a Power Sword (sans Dark Imperium Gravis Armor Captain.)

Dark Angels Primaris Lieutenant Zakariah and the BA lieutenant also have them.

Spoiler:

And one of the Dark Imperium lieutenants.

And technically the 30th Anniversary Veteran Sergeant, though his is sheathed.

And I suppose this also includes the upcoming Conquest one.

Lemondish wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 TheGreatBeard wrote:
I'm happy to have a release coming up that I don't really want. I feel as though I've been getting hit in the wallet by a lot of recent releases. I'll probably just pluck that Power Sword Marine off eBay or something since it is (to my knowledge) the only Primaries to come with a Power Sword (sans Dark Imperium Gravis Armor Captain.)

Dark Angels Primaris Lieutenant Zakariah and the BA lieutenant also have them.

Spoiler:

And one of the Dark Imperium lieutenants.

And technically the 30th Anniversary Veteran Sergeant, though his is sheathed.

And I suppose this also includes the upcoming Conquest one.

Also the Dark Angels and Ultramarines Primaris upgrade sprues.

Process wrote:

My personal theory is that these boxes are shelf clearers paired with a mold payment device. You pair some in demand models, with some out of demand models, with some new to the range "exclusives".
People are drawn for the new shinies (crypteck, armigers, wolf guy, abberants/abomminant) and the "in demand" units (wraiths, redemptor/aggressors, metomorph hybrids, wave serpents, inceptors) but also get the "tax" units (pretty much all of the troop choices).

The tax units have likely long since made their costs back but bump the box value up, the in demand units also have likely already made their costs back but serve as an additional draw, the exclusives sure will get added to the range later- but this way their tooling and development costs are likely covered within the set's initial run- so when they're released down the line as an "overpriced" standalone they're basically pure profit.

Doubtful they really clear shelves. GW is unlikely to have big pile of sprues enough to make up these kind of boxes. Storage costs money so they try to keep their storage to minimum needed. This is why stuff periodically go out of stock. Ideally they would be producing stuff at exact same rate as they keep ordered.

However out of demand is likely playing effect in that they don't want to put all the good selling items to discount boxes. That way there would be hard to sell anything for full price! However old kit(remember kits sell most of their lifetime sales in first few months...) that isn't selling all that much is good candinate to pad discount box. It gives nice discount done by casting plastic sprues that is practically free and wasn't going to sell anything anyway.

Those clampack sprues for the new characters are interesting. They look to be considerably easier to convert than some of the early examples. Could be kitbashed with a Farseer to achieve some extra variety in poses.

 Haighus wrote:
Those clampack sprues for the new characters are interesting. They look to be considerably easier to convert than some of the early examples. Could be kitbashed with a Farseer to achieve some extra variety in poses.

I have a sneaking suspicion that showing us the sprue is meant to suggest this very thing.

Unless I'm mistaken and totally missed when they showed sprues for all the new special box set only characters, which admittedly I could have missed in my eternal drunken stupor.

Would it really kill GW to include two heads in their character sprues. I;d love to see some weapon choices, but I'm not silly enough to expect that, but even the ETB Stormcast have some choices in building.

 Haighus wrote:
Those clampack sprues for the new characters are interesting. They look to be considerably easier to convert than some of the early examples. Could be kitbashed with a Farseer to achieve some extra variety in poses.

The marine LT is also as close to perfect as we are likely to see for conversion options. Both arms are flat mounts with the torso, shoulder pads and head separate. Real easy to change him up a lot.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
Would it really kill GW to include two heads in their character sprues. I;d love to see some weapon choices, but I'm not silly enough to expect that, but even the ETB Stormcast have some choices in building.

Two heads and two weapon options isn't unheard of. Space Marine ones usually have a helmeted and unhelmeted option. I don't know of any other examples, but the IG Commissar has a bolt pistol and a plasma pistol as options.

I don't play any of the faction, but at least price wise the deal seems to be very good.
I do have a question of sorts tha relates to those dual faction boxs, is there something like a timetable for them? So someone who plays GK like me or some other less often update faction could see when stuff for his army is going to be for sale.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Those clampack sprues for the new characters are interesting. They look to be considerably easier to convert than some of the early examples. Could be kitbashed with a Farseer to achieve some extra variety in poses.

The marine LT is also as close to perfect as we are likely to see for conversion options. Both arms are flat mounts with the torso, shoulder pads and head separate. Real easy to change him up a lot.

Yes, you can give him different looking power sword! (Converting is way more fun if you actually have a selection of weapons to choose from.)

 Crimson wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Those clampack sprues for the new characters are interesting. They look to be considerably easier to convert than some of the early examples. Could be kitbashed with a Farseer to achieve some extra variety in poses.

The marine LT is also as close to perfect as we are likely to see for conversion options. Both arms are flat mounts with the torso, shoulder pads and head separate. Real easy to change him up a lot.

Yes, you can give him different looking power sword! (Converting is way more fun if you actually have a selection of weapons to choose from.)

With a little work from a bits box, he could be a captain. Some fancy shoulderpads go a long way for that. Probably easier to fit a ‘fist and plasma pistol on him then get your hands on that captain. Primaris arms can be swapped in from other kits like the intercessors, of you want him playing with a wrist com or pointing.

I’m not saying it’s perfect, but it’s not one of those monobuild kits where you get half an arm as part of the torso etc. Arm, head, shoulder swaps make for a lot of play on how you build him. Even just posing should make it look like they are not all the same.

I’ve use DA swords, relic blades, and terminator swords to gear up primaris sergeants. Plenty of options out there.

Yeah, but the problem never was that the models are hard to convert, it is that there is no weapon options to give them to.

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, but the problem never was that the models are hard to convert, it is that there is no weapon options to give them to.

I’ll agree to that. No model, No rules needs to go die in a fire.

But at least you can personalize you guy to match your chapter and tastes, or use the parts to kit-bash other units (like captains which have a few (but not many) options. So many of the mono-build kits have zero options for personalization unless you are fluent with a hobby knife.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, but the problem never was that the models are hard to convert, it is that there is no weapon options to give them to.

I’ll agree to that. No model, No rules needs to go die in a fire

I vehemently disagree with this on account of having to deal with the opposite extreme - DW vets. Because a model exists, somewhere, it's an option - and it hurts twice as much when that option is the absolute best wargear choice, hands down...but the bits are spread out across $500 worth of kits.

I'd support loosening the rules, but if I had to choose which extreme to lean towards, I would much rather prefer being in a spot with limited choices that are included in the kit versus a myriad of choices that force one to turn to eBay, recasters, third party sources, or dark forbidden magics.

Consider all there Primaris chapter upgrade sprues. They could easily make one generic Primaris upgrade sprue which comes with some extra weapons to customise your characters and sergeants with. You could easily fit a good selection of weapons in one small sprue of similar size than the chapter upgrade sprues.

I can't help but feel that GW is putting so many of these box sets together thanks to the relative raging success of Forgebane. But, let's all remember that Forgebane had two huge Knight models in it that a LOT of people were excited to try. I saw people sell the Admech and Necron parts of those box sets for pennies just so they could have an excuse to get more of the Warglaives.

Tooth and Claw had Abberrants. Neat. Much awaited for GSC players. The Space Wolf Battle Leader was cool, too.

This one has the same Primaris stuff we've seen for a year and a half and Eldar stuff that is not new at all... all so they can eek out an excuse to update the Spiritseer to plastic. The Lieutenant wasn't needed. Just plain and simple, though I'm sure lots of people will be happy to have that extra option for some variety.

This is clearly the weakest of the box sets. I really hope it doesn't become the pattern into the future. I want the Lieutenant, but I have to wait months before it releases separately, because I see zero point in going through the trouble of trying to hock a bunch of Eldar and Space Marine models I don't need.

Yeah. Just really don't want this trend to continue. If you're going to give us big box sets to sell new models, make them more significant. If they're just characters, just release the characters.

 Crimson wrote:
Consider all there Primaris chapter upgrade sprues. They could easily make one generic Primaris upgrade sprue which comes with some extra weapons to customise your characters and sergeants with. You could easily fit a good selection of weapons in one small sprue of similar size than the chapter upgrade sprues.

I think the upgrade sprues are an under-utilised concept, and a great way of adding little upgrades to already serviceable kit. An example being heavy stubbers- I think Guard infantry units should be able to take heavy stubbers as a special weapon option (instead of a flamer etc.), which allows for some thematic squad builds. However, this will never happen whilst there is no model. An upgrade sprue could provide that model, and all is sorted. They also can provide a lot more variety to model collections, like with the Space Marine examples (I am dissappointed they never rounded out the First Founding Chapter sprues).

drbored wrote:
I can't help but feel that GW is putting so many of these box sets together thanks to the relative raging success of Forgebane. But, let's all remember that Forgebane had two huge Knight models in it that a LOT of people were excited to try. I saw people sell the Admech and Necron parts of those box sets for pennies just so they could have an excuse to get more of the Warglaives.

Tooth and Claw had Abberrants. Neat. Much awaited for GSC players. The Space Wolf Battle Leader was cool, too.

This one has the same Primaris stuff we've seen for a year and a half and Eldar stuff that is not new at all... all so they can eek out an excuse to update the Spiritseer to plastic. The Lieutenant wasn't needed. Just plain and simple, though I'm sure lots of people will be happy to have that extra option for some variety.

This is clearly the weakest of the box sets. I really hope it doesn't become the pattern into the future. I want the Lieutenant, but I have to wait months before it releases separately, because I see zero point in going through the trouble of trying to hock a bunch of Eldar and Space Marine models I don't need.

Yeah. Just really don't want this trend to continue. If you're going to give us big box sets to sell new models, make them more significant. If they're just characters, just release the characters.

I think the fact this LT model can be used in every marine army makes it superior to the GSC box. Not to mention how hot Eldar are. This box is better than Tooth and Claw in that way. I don't think it's fair to say it's "clearly" anything.

And why can't we have both? Big box sets for beginners or people looking to seriously upgrade their collection, and then toos out the individual characters in a separate release later on. Everyone wins.

 Crimson wrote:
Consider all there Primaris chapter upgrade sprues. They could easily make one generic Primaris upgrade sprue which comes with some extra weapons to customise your characters and sergeants with. You could easily fit a good selection of weapons in one small sprue of similar size than the chapter upgrade sprues.

I'd like to see a "Primaris Commander" kit ala the lcassic SM commander box, which was easily one of the best HQ packs GW ever put out

drbored wrote:
I can't help but feel that GW is putting so many of these box sets together thanks to the relative raging success of Forgebane. But, let's all remember that Forgebane had two huge Knight models in it that a LOT of people were excited to try. I saw people sell the Admech and Necron parts of those box sets for pennies just so they could have an excuse to get more of the Warglaives.
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Umm these boxes are not new idea in 8th...there have been these kind of boxes coming up steadily long time now

tneva82 wrote:

drbored wrote:
I can't help but feel that GW is putting so many of these box sets together thanks to the relative raging success of Forgebane. But, let's all remember that Forgebane had two huge Knight models in it that a LOT of people were excited to try. I saw people sell the Admech and Necron parts of those box sets for pennies just so they could have an excuse to get more of the Warglaives.
.

Umm these boxes are not new idea in 8th...there have been these kind of boxes coming up steadily long time now

they HAVE been coming at a much more rapid pace but that can be said about anything in 8th edition

This box is actually a good buy if you also add a few Deathwatch upgrade sprues (actually, you only need 1 and can just sell the Primaris Lt). Deathwatch vs Eldar seems good to me.

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

drbored wrote:
I can't help but feel that GW is putting so many of these box sets together thanks to the relative raging success of Forgebane. But, let's all remember that Forgebane had two huge Knight models in it that a LOT of people were excited to try. I saw people sell the Admech and Necron parts of those box sets for pennies just so they could have an excuse to get more of the Warglaives.
.

Umm these boxes are not new idea in 8th...there have been these kind of boxes coming up steadily long time now

they HAVE been coming at a much more rapid pace but that can be said about anything in 8th edition

True but point is forgebane didn't cause. These have been selling well long.

Indeed lead times makes that theory impossible. These were in design cycle when fb was released. Gw does these because they work. Adding some old kits is essentially free for them so easy discount box that can be used to get people start new armies or buy more than they would have due to discount.

Lemondish wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, but the problem never was that the models are hard to convert, it is that there is no weapon options to give them to.

I’ll agree to that. No model, No rules needs to go die in a fire

I vehemently disagree with this on account of having to deal with the opposite extreme - DW vets. Because a model exists, somewhere, it's an option - and it hurts twice as much when that option is the absolute best wargear choice, hands down...but the bits are spread out across $500 worth of kits.

I'd support loosening the rules, but if I had to choose which extreme to lean towards, I would much rather prefer being in a spot with limited choices that are included in the kit versus a myriad of choices that force one to turn to eBay, recasters, third party sources, or dark forbidden magics.

But, why though? I mean, you list right there multiple ways to get just about any part you could want or need(and most of them are even legal), it's not difficult or expensive, so what's wrong with being "forced" to order a weapon option from a bitz seller or a third party component maker? I could understand being against it if it was even remotely difficult to do simple weapon swaps or acquire the parts to do so, but it isn't and it's not.