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2019/12/07 09:04:08
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
The reason it's disliked is the "subvert expectations" BS was used as an excuse for it being a gakky story with no regard for the setup from the previous movie and an active middle finger to the franchise prior to that.
Amazing. Every word of what you just said is wrong.
Really, though, I don't think there's anything to be gained by stirring up the whole TLJ can of worms again.
Says the person who decided to crack open the can and fetch the spoon. You brought it up, either elaborate on how "every word of what (I) said is wrong" or concede the point, don't hide behind a sudden concern for off topicness.
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2019/12/07 09:37:52
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
Thargrim wrote: I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.
I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.
What I'm getting from this is Insaniac would like to talk more about TLJ.
Are you attempting to put the blame for any lack of inspiration going forward on a reductionist reaction to fan criticism from Disney or are you criticizing critics of TLJ for being critical and laying the blame for all post TLJ tepid SW material on fans criticizing TLJ?
Or am I taking crazy pills?
2019/12/07 09:50:04
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
Are you attempting to put the blame for any lack of inspiration going forward on a reductionist reaction to fan criticism from Disney or are you criticizing critics of TLJ for being critical and laying the blame for all post TLJ tepid SW material on fans criticizing TLJ?
I'm suggesting that the time they tried to do something the audience wouldn't expect, it didn't go the way Disney expected, and so they're more likely to stick to the usual Disney formula going forwards.
2019/12/07 13:57:58
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to be Boba. In addition to the last episode being on the same planet where we last saw Boba, who better to track down a rogue Mando bounty hunter than the most infamous bounty hunter in Mando armour (even if he isn't actually a Mando).
And so far we've seen Western troupe after Western troupe. What if it's all building up to a "High Noon" style showdown between our new hero (the Mando) and an old baddie (Boba Fett). That's some high-grade wish fulfillment on my part, but it could be pretty satisfying.
Unless....they bring back Boba just to kill him again. That would be ... disappointing
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Lance845 wrote: I hope they mever bring in bobba or mention his name.
Yeah, tbh, part of the draw for the series so far is how its removed from the main cast from the previous movies, with obvious references but at the same time there isn't cameo after cameo like in Rebels or Clone Wars. To see Boba get involved this early in the series would require the stakes to escalate even further in later seasons and I feel like its too soon for that.
2019/12/09 23:04:44
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
Well, now that he's taken a few blaster bolts, will we see him go back to the clan to get some repairs? it'd be interesting to see where they've moved to, or even if they've gone home, so to say.
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2019/12/10 06:59:07
Subject: Re:Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
While he's been shaken up, his armor doesn't seem to be taking any real damage. Unlike with the Mudhorn.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Considering the entire series has been screaming "this is not Boba", I'm genuinely curious how you came to that conclusion.
Agreed. And if you know about Boba from the canon Clone Wars show, you'll know there is no way he'd act as altruistically as the Mando has on several occasions during the show.
At first I was kinda hoping the Mando would turn out to be Boba considering all the visual similarities, but after watching the show, he just cannot be. But if they made the Mando a new character to set-up a high-noon style showdown between Mando and Boba, I'm actually happier with that than if Mando was Boba. It keeps Boba as a "baddie" which he has always been and lets us actually relate to the Mando
So the showrunners get to have their nostalgia cake and eat it too.
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Galef wrote: Agreed. And if you know about Boba from the canon Clone Wars show, you'll know there is no way he'd act as altruistically as the Mando has on several occasions during the show.
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You don't even need the Clone Wars - we know from Ep2 that Boba was a clone, 'born' on Kamino. And we know from the flashbacks to his childhood that 'Mando' wasn't.
2019/12/11 21:04:26
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
It’s a good decent watch, if I had to give a rating it would be 7/10; nothing really jumps out at me and catches my interest, the best parts are the visual and custom designs; weakest parts are the dialogue and story lines.
2019/12/11 21:05:59
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
When I first heard about this show, my attitude was "This will either be awesome, or Disney is going to ensure 'Star Wars' is a joke for the next 50 years".
Well played, Mouse. Do more like this. Notice how that Mando Merch flies off the shelves? Notice how people threw money at a streaming service once word got out about how awesome the show was? Notice how no one is complaining about Cara Dune? See how you can make something socially relevant (like struggling war vets), without it being absolutely politically divisive?
This is the Way.
Now, we wait until Mandalorians make it into Star Wars: Legion...
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2019/12/11 21:53:20
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
Big Mac wrote: the best parts are the visual and custom designs; weakest parts are the dialogue and story lines.
So....it's very, very Star Wars?
Joking aside, I love this show and watch it every Friday. Once all episodes are out, I plan to binge watch all 8 episodes at once to see if they stack up when viewed like that (vs the week-to-week anticipation hyping it up for me).
But I can't decide what's a better end-saying: "This is the Way" or "I have spoken"
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Also this last episode was probably the weakest for me, because the guy playing the other Bounty Hunter really didnt seem like he could act, nor could the Mechanic Chick, so they kept taking me out of it.
2019/12/11 22:30:43
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
Also this last episode was probably the weakest for me, because the guy playing the other Bounty Hunter really didnt seem like he could act, nor could the Mechanic Chick, so they kept taking me out of it.
Whoa hol up, that mechanic chick did fine IMO, and it was only made better that she turned out to be the voice actress of Princess Carolyn from Bojack Horseman, so seeing her handle Baby Yoda was more than fitting IMO.
2019/12/11 23:21:00
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
Also this last episode was probably the weakest for me, because the guy playing the other Bounty Hunter really didnt seem like he could act, nor could the Mechanic Chick, so they kept taking me out of it.
The episode before was the weakest for me. It was your standard paint by numbers adventure series filler episode, down to the silly training montage with spears... It added absolutely nothing to the series. The "little" reveals could have easily been handled in other ways.
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2019/12/11 23:32:10
Subject: Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
I would argue the same for the most recent episode, it was the by the numbers young bounty hunter story, complete with turning on another for their own gain. And while the village had the two village idiots to be bad in the few seconds of screen time they had, this episode had two actors with more screen time to constantly.
Predictable stories are to be expected for me in this series, which claims to be a Space Western. So are forgivable. Bad acting being given lime light, is not.
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2019/12/12 09:02:50
Subject: Re:Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
OK, so my reasoning for why i believe he might well be Boba Fett:
Spoiler:
His hands - his fingers are the only part of him seen beneath his armour and they are severely scarred and swollen. Obviously this is assuming he's human, but if that is the case his hands, at least, have come into contact with something corrosive or been burned at some point. Boba Fett crawled out of the belly of the Sarlacc on Tattoine so this fits as its stomach acid is highly corrosive.
His armour - when we first see the Mando the only parts of his armour that are Beskar are his helmet and his pauldron, both of which are unpainted. This suggests that he either is a new recruit building up his armour, or he is replacing lost armour. On more than one occasion he has told the armourer that he is "starting over again" with regards to his armour which suggests that his previous armour was too badly damaged and is being replaced. Fett's armour would most likely have been very badly damaged in the Sarlacc and this explains why it is stripped of paint.
His gear - he has a rifle identical to the one Fett had in the holiday special, and his blaster looks very similar to one of the paired blasters that Jango Fett used. His original gear, including his rocket pack would have been destroyed in the Sarlaac.
His memories - in flasback scenes we see him as a small child, his parents trying to save him but being killed in the process. This does not fit Boba Fett's backstory.It does however fit Jango Fett's back story, who's parents were murdered on Concord Dawn before he was rescued as a foundling. Boba Fett is Jango Fett's clone - so shares his memories. The flashback scenes are not the Mandalorian's memories, but the memories of his "father".
Interaction with other Mandalorians - at least once the armourer refers to the Mando as "someone of your station" but in a seemingly reverential way, suggesting he is not some raw recruit but someone of standing. He is also in a cell with Paz Vizla. The Vizla clan raised Jango Fett.
Tattooine - he has obviously spent time there as he knows the area well and is fluent in Tusken. This doesn't mean he is Boba Fett though so this one is flimsy. However if the Mandalorian had never been there we would know it wasn't him.
Mos Eisley Space Port - the Mandalorian in episode 5 sits in exactly the same spot Solo sat in when he shot Greedo.
One liners - in episode 5 the Mandalorian uses Boba Fett's classic line "She's no good to us dead"
Kaminoan clones - finally believe baby Yoda is being used as a classic misdirect. Everybody thinks that the logo on Dr Pershing's uniform suggests Baby Yoda is a Kaminoan clone, and that is possible, but so was Boba Fett. I think this takes the attaention away from Fett and places it right back at Baby Yoda. I also think the 2 characters stories are intertwined and the Mandalorian has sympathy for baby Yoda not just because he was a foundling, but also because they are both clones (maybe).
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2019/12/12 12:07:40
Subject: Re:Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
StraightSilver wrote: OK, so my reasoning for why i believe he might well be Boba Fett:
Spoiler:
His hands - his fingers are the only part of him seen beneath his armour and they are severely scarred and swollen. Obviously this is assuming he's human, but if that is the case his hands, at least, have come into contact with something corrosive or been burned at some point. Boba Fett crawled out of the belly of the Sarlacc on Tattoine so this fits as its stomach acid is highly corrosive.
His armour - when we first see the Mando the only parts of his armour that are Beskar are his helmet and his pauldron, both of which are unpainted. This suggests that he either is a new recruit building up his armour, or he is replacing lost armour. On more than one occasion he has told the armourer that he is "starting over again" with regards to his armour which suggests that his previous armour was too badly damaged and is being replaced. Fett's armour would most likely have been very badly damaged in the Sarlacc and this explains why it is stripped of paint.
His gear - he has a rifle identical to the one Fett had in the holiday special, and his blaster looks very similar to one of the paired blasters that Jango Fett used. His original gear, including his rocket pack would have been destroyed in the Sarlaac.
His memories - in flasback scenes we see him as a small child, his parents trying to save him but being killed in the process. This does not fit Boba Fett's backstory.It does however fit Jango Fett's back story, who's parents were murdered on Concord Dawn before he was rescued as a foundling. Boba Fett is Jango Fett's clone - so shares his memories. The flashback scenes are not the Mandalorian's memories, but the memories of his "father".
Interaction with other Mandalorians - at least once the armourer refers to the Mando as "someone of your station" but in a seemingly reverential way, suggesting he is not some raw recruit but someone of standing. He is also in a cell with Paz Vizla. The Vizla clan raised Jango Fett.
Tattooine - he has obviously spent time there as he knows the area well and is fluent in Tusken. This doesn't mean he is Boba Fett though so this one is flimsy. However if the Mandalorian had never been there we would know it wasn't him.
Mos Eisley Space Port - the Mandalorian in episode 5 sits in exactly the same spot Solo sat in when he shot Greedo.
One liners - in episode 5 the Mandalorian uses Boba Fett's classic line "She's no good to us dead"
Kaminoan clones - finally believe baby Yoda is being used as a classic misdirect. Everybody thinks that the logo on Dr Pershing's uniform suggests Baby Yoda is a Kaminoan clone, and that is possible, but so was Boba Fett. I think this takes the attaention away from Fett and places it right back at Baby Yoda. I also think the 2 characters stories are intertwined and the Mandalorian has sympathy for baby Yoda not just because he was a foundling, but also because they are both clones (maybe).
Super fan boyish wishing aside, it would be terrible if this show was about boba fett. Again, sw is a big universe. We dont need to keep telling the stores of the same 6-8 people.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2019/12/12 12:59:41
Subject: Re:Star War :The Mandalorian discussion - please use spoiler tags
StraightSilver wrote: OK, so my reasoning for why i believe he might well be Boba Fett:
Spoiler:
His hands - his fingers are the only part of him seen beneath his armour and they are severely scarred and swollen. Obviously this is assuming he's human, but if that is the case his hands, at least, have come into contact with something corrosive or been burned at some point. Boba Fett crawled out of the belly of the Sarlacc on Tattoine so this fits as its stomach acid is highly corrosive.
His armour - when we first see the Mando the only parts of his armour that are Beskar are his helmet and his pauldron, both of which are unpainted. This suggests that he either is a new recruit building up his armour, or he is replacing lost armour. On more than one occasion he has told the armourer that he is "starting over again" with regards to his armour which suggests that his previous armour was too badly damaged and is being replaced. Fett's armour would most likely have been very badly damaged in the Sarlacc and this explains why it is stripped of paint.
His gear - he has a rifle identical to the one Fett had in the holiday special, and his blaster looks very similar to one of the paired blasters that Jango Fett used. His original gear, including his rocket pack would have been destroyed in the Sarlaac.
His memories - in flasback scenes we see him as a small child, his parents trying to save him but being killed in the process. This does not fit Boba Fett's backstory.It does however fit Jango Fett's back story, who's parents were murdered on Concord Dawn before he was rescued as a foundling. Boba Fett is Jango Fett's clone - so shares his memories. The flashback scenes are not the Mandalorian's memories, but the memories of his "father".
Interaction with other Mandalorians - at least once the armourer refers to the Mando as "someone of your station" but in a seemingly reverential way, suggesting he is not some raw recruit but someone of standing. He is also in a cell with Paz Vizla. The Vizla clan raised Jango Fett.
Tattooine - he has obviously spent time there as he knows the area well and is fluent in Tusken. This doesn't mean he is Boba Fett though so this one is flimsy. However if the Mandalorian had never been there we would know it wasn't him.
Mos Eisley Space Port - the Mandalorian in episode 5 sits in exactly the same spot Solo sat in when he shot Greedo.
One liners - in episode 5 the Mandalorian uses Boba Fett's classic line "She's no good to us dead"
Kaminoan clones - finally believe baby Yoda is being used as a classic misdirect. Everybody thinks that the logo on Dr Pershing's uniform suggests Baby Yoda is a Kaminoan clone, and that is possible, but so was Boba Fett. I think this takes the attaention away from Fett and places it right back at Baby Yoda. I also think the 2 characters stories are intertwined and the Mandalorian has sympathy for baby Yoda not just because he was a foundling, but also because they are both clones (maybe).
