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I kinda doubt a clause like that is legally enforcable. Or at least I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in the EU. In the corporate dystopia otherwise known as the US, I'm less confident though.
Plus I really doubt they make anyone who enters the restaurant read and agree to a contract...
Bran Dawri wrote: I kinda doubt a clause like that is legally enforcable. Or at least I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in the EU. In the corporate dystopia otherwise known as the US, I'm less confident though.
Plus I really doubt they make anyone who enters the restaurant read and agree to a contract...
It's more that to access the 3rd party managed restaurant you have to have a Ticket for the Park and within the purchase of that ticket is where you sign the agreement.
Disney aren't stopping the family suing the restaurant, just themselves. Which honestly sounds about fair since it was the staff and restaurant operation that failed the family directly; if they are anything like catering firms in many other event sites these days, then they are basically fully a private firm paying rent to be there.
I think about the only way Disney might end up being involved is if the restaurant can prove that the failure on their part was as a direct result of conditions placed upon them by Disney.
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Bran Dawri wrote: Sure, but then why doesn't Disney just argue that?
(Plus the legally enforcable thing still stands.)
From what I read that is what they argued.
Notice the reports about this mostly quote the plaintiff and the plaintiff's lawyer, who seem to be misrepresenting what Disney's filing argues to advance their own position in the public eye. For them its a smart move. For Disney its a PR fuckup because they probably should have seen it coming and gotten ahead of it by very publicly emphasizing the restaurant isn't theirs. Their filing was apparently more expansive than this one issue (legal filings can be like long bullet pointed lists covering lots of banalities, of which this was one), but the press has focused on this singular part of the filing.
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While this is an interesting topic for discussion, it would probably be better off in its own thread in the regular OT section, rather than in the Star Wars series discussion thread.
The teaser trailer for Mando and Grogu was interesting, trying to hit so many nostalgia buttons. Zeb flying a razorcrest, Mando on an At-RT etc. but a complete absence of the whole new Mando culture was a shock.
Andor S2 sounds like something worth watching is finally coming! Great stuff
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
The news comes at once as a shock, given how much of the Season 1 finale ended on a cliffhanger and teased several plotlines for a Season 2, and not much of a surprise, given the wildly opposing reception from fans and the less-than-robust viewership that appeared to drop off after the series premiere in June.
From another article :
(Regarding starting strong, but collapsing in epic fashion after Ep. 3) But The Acolyte could not sustain the momentum, dropping out of the Top 10 in Week 3 and staying off before returning at No. 10 after the release of the finale (335M minutes, believed to be the lowest for a Star Wars series finale).
I’d wager half of the viewership was for lulz and hatewatching.
It had a massive, stupidly massive, reported $180 million budget for the eight episode series, when at least that much money was in no way ever seen on screen. And when you spend that much, you want some sort of huge viewership to match.
The Acolyte did not have that. While there’s no official data from Disney, estimates put its audience as smaller than every other Star Wars series and half of something like Ahsoka, at best.
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nels1031 wrote: I’d wager half of the viewership was for lulz and hatewatching.
That's mainly why I watched it. It was like watching a train crash; terrible to see but you just can't look away...
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This was easily the second worst of the streaming series, and the irony is that the worst still has Boba Fett in the name and was required viewing for Mando Season 3.
The Acolyte continues the Disney trend of just kind of wasting the entire concept of the High Republic era on crummily constructed stories. Solid ideas. There are good bones in it. They just keep finding the most boring ways to do things with any of it.
They just keep spoiling the meal. I think people who called Episode 3 a mistake were problem right. A full flashback episode that necessitated another later flashback episode was a poor pacing decision, especially on top of the first 2 episodes. Interesting that viewership reportedly dropped hard after that episode. EDIT: This is why pacing in your opening episodes matters. Botch it too hard, and even if you fix the problem later people might have already bounced off.
The marvel to me is how much money was reportedly spent on the series. Where did the money go? That's a lot of money for what was on screen in that show.
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The craziest thing to me is that there are literally class questlines in freaking Star Wars: The Old Republic that have better bare-bone concepts than what Disney is attempting to do with its TV series.
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Writing a piece of entertainment by committee is going to produce entertainment that plays like a committee meeting.
Overwrought.
Self-important.
Begging the question 'do I really need to be here for this?'
The difference between a TV series, and a committee meeting? I can walk away from the TV series and not worry about losing my job. Sooner of later Big Entertainment needs to find a better balance between executive control of projects and creative direction. There was maybe a good show in the Acolyte. Buried under a mountain of odd-ball decisions that feel like there were too many voices in the room and no one with a real eye on 'is what we're making even good.'
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I suspect a lot of people also simply waited for the whole season (and a general verdict) to be out before going to watch it. Which would explain the bump to 10th place at the end, but not higher because the overwhelming verdict was that the show's mediocre at best.
It got canceled so it obviously didn't do the numbers they wanted.
Ahsoka was carried by having established characters and even then it didn't pull great viewing numbers. Shoot, they even had a white chad antagonist and a cute white waifu to draw the incel crowd and it still didn't pop off.
At what point does Disney go back to the drawing board?
I honestly don't get it. You don't even have to pump out complex stories. The EU novels sold well enough in the 90s and the majority weren't great.
How hard is it to produce mediocre stories and reuse materials (sets, armors, CGI models, etc)?
From my perspective, which is probably way off, Disney should be able to pump out mediocre Star Wars series at a minimal cost, but somehow they're unable to make expensive shows that can survive.
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While this isn't surprising given the wailing and gnashing of teeth all over the internet about this show, it's disappointing that we won't get to see where it could have gone. I'm really hoping that at some point streaming services will start to commit more time to letting their shows develop past a shaky first season, rather than the current approach of dumping anything that isn't a ratings champion and moving onto the next thing in the hope it will do better.
I'm also worried that as happened with Solo, Disney will take the wrong message from this, and double down on producing material with familiar characters instead of trying something new. I'd love to see more High Republic stuff, or some Old Republic stuff, but feel like it's increasingly likely that the foreseeable future will just be more spinoffs from the Mandalorian, instead.
I'm just not sure why they got the showrunner/writer of Russian Doll to do this, instead of someone with more experience and passion for this genre. The quality between this and Andor is pretty noteworthy.
I'm not surprised it was cancelled, same way I wasn't surprised about Willow beng cancelled. Willow was almost like a grounded swords and sorcery type movie, with most of it's fans being a bit older now. Yet they made a show that felt more fantastical and aimed at a young audience, a baffling decision.
insaniak wrote: I'm also worried that as happened with Solo, Disney will take the wrong message from this, and double down on producing material with familiar characters instead of trying something new. I'd love to see more High Republic stuff, or some Old Republic stuff, but feel like it's increasingly likely that the foreseeable future will just be more spinoffs from the Mandalorian, instead.
It really is baffling how consistently mediocre to bad High Republic material has been.
I've followed it off and on and I just can't explain it. I feel like it shouldn't be possible to be as consistently bad as the High Republic has been. Books. Comics. Now a TV series. This gak shouldn't be that hard.
And yeah. I didn't like Acolyte much at the end and I'm not shocked it was cancelled but you're probably right to worry Disney will ultimately take all the wrong lessons from this. The one bright side is that Disney is still trying to push High Republic stuff and it has been at this consistently mediocre level for a few years now.
Maybe they'll split the difference. I feel like the showrunners behind Acolyte were 'bold' to expect they could get 3 seasons to tell a story. They probably should have aimed lower from the start and played it safe by aiming for a much more solid season 1 that could stand on its own.
I haven't been following the previous High Republic material, as I stopped following Star Wars in print after not enjoying the first couple of post-EU novels. But from following several of the authors involved on social media, a lot of time, effort and resources went into setting up the High Republic in the beginning, and a lot of it was pre-mapped out and already written before any of it actually saw public release. So it's possibly still coasting along on the strength of 'we have all this stuff made already, might as well release it'... with the hope that the Acolyte would help to boost more interest in the setting. Which it certainly did for me, even if it wasn't the best writing ever.
insaniak wrote: While this isn't surprising given the wailing and gnashing of teeth all over the internet about this show, it's disappointing that we won't get to see where it could have gone. I'm really hoping that at some point streaming services will start to commit more time to letting their shows develop past a shaky first season, rather than the current approach of dumping anything that isn't a ratings champion and moving onto the next thing in the hope it will do better.
I'm also worried that as happened with Solo, Disney will take the wrong message from this, and double down on producing material with familiar characters instead of trying something new. I'd love to see more High Republic stuff, or some Old Republic stuff, but feel like it's increasingly likely that the foreseeable future will just be more spinoffs from the Mandalorian, instead.
Not just that they’re not letting things get beyond the first season, but those seasons are less than half the length of classic TV seasons. Go watch the first season of any classic sci-fi show (TNG, DS9, B5, etc.) and the first season is very shaky as they try to sort out the style, characterisation, relationships, etc. The only series I can remember being rock solid from the first episode was the reimagined Battlestar Galactica, and even that went through some evolution over the first few episodes (anyone else remember that Boxey was in it, briefly?!). Partial credit to SG-1, because that started to get good about halfway through season 1 (but even then, 10 episodes in? You’d be dead on streaming.)
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Well, that could have gone better. Shame that the story remains unfinished. But it's not terribly surprising. You can't expect audiences to stick with a shoddily crafted show. It's one thing to give a show and its (voice) actors time to get their bearings, but you can't neglect basic storytelling necessities as the Acolyte did.
Should have made the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise instead.
Thargrim wrote: I'm not surprised it was cancelled, same way I wasn't surprised about Willow beng cancelled. Willow was almost like a grounded swords and sorcery type movie, with most of it's fans being a bit older now. Yet they made a show that felt more fantastical and aimed at a young audience, a baffling decision.
Yeah, but Willow season one was actually good.
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trexmeyer wrote: The craziest thing to me is that there are literally class questlines in freaking Star Wars: The Old Republic that have better bare-bone concepts than what Disney is attempting to do with its TV series.
The 5-6 minute CGI cinematic trailers for The Old Republic tell better stories than this 8 episode show.
The last one, featuring the Twilek Padawan and Darth Malgus, had a lot in common with this show in some ways, just told a better story in a fraction of the time.
Honestly, I thought for sure it would get a paired down second season just out of sheer intransigence from Disney.
I mean, they have been in a permanent state of ‘will they/won’t they” for a Lando series or movie based off of Donald Glovers portrayal in the Solo movie, which infamously bombed, for years now.
Not to mention we’re supposedly getting Rey movies…
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nels1031 wrote: I’d wager half of the viewership was for lulz and hatewatching.
That's mainly why I watched it. It was like watching a train crash; terrible to see but you just can't look away...
I probably got more entertainment for the lulz but I had some small hope they'd somehow right the ship on this one. There's big chunks of it I really enjoyed including the whole vibe of the classic Jedi order, but that can't really save it from a script that really doesn't know what kind of story it wants to tell or even which characters it wants to focus on.
Deadline reporting that there will be no season 2 of the Acolyte. There’s a few threads I’d like to have seen picked up - maybe in some other form - but it’s probably for the best.
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