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As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

i mean, I guess. You could pretty much say the same about any other character, though - you know "oh, I'm sure Guilliman dies all the time in the lore, he's probably a super flawed character and the emperor just resurrects him. You just don't see that written about in the lore."

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

Are you saying that because it doesn't specifically state that Kharn can't come back from the dead as a matter of course, we should assume that he can?

That's quite a leap of logic!

 RobS wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

Are you saying that because it doesn't specifically state that Kharn can't come back from the dead as a matter of course, we should assume that he can?

That's quite a leap of logic!

This is a bit of silly bending over backwards to be trying to justify that one of the characters involved in this fight was the Designated Die-er and one of them had impenetrable plot armor.

I bet Worf is super tough and beats aliens all the time! Just not in the episodes they film.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

Kharn was found on Istvaan 5 impaled on a rhino by Skane who called apothecary Kargos over. They patched him up and he was fine. He didn't die. This was in the Intro/First chapter of HH Betrayer. If there was a second rhino impaling, then so be it.

 RobS wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

Are you saying that because it doesn't specifically state that Kharn can't come back from the dead as a matter of course, we should assume that he can?

That's quite a leap of logic!

Actually my leap of logic was that it's possible that he may have "died" in other campaigns, we just haven't heard about them. Seeing as he has spent 10,000 years murdering almost everyone he meets there is a lot of room for other stuff to happen other than just him murdering anything that isn't a kitten. I mean, being angry all the time doesn't protect against disease, explosive decompression in a ship, his landing craft being shot down, or other things that that could kill him without him dying in a straight fight against someone else.

Regardless the whole thing is kind of moot since the whole scene was likely to set up how badass Kharn is as a murderblender while highlighting the martyrdom and faith powered resurrection abilities of Celestine (and considering Celestine was nuked in her original lore in C:WH, I'm going to say that being hacked up by Kharn isn't the most potentially fatal thing she experianced.


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 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

Kharn was found on Istvaan 5 impaled on a rhino by Skane who called apothecary Kargos over. They patched him up and he was fine. He didn't die. This was in the Intro/First chapter of HH Betrayer. If there was a second rhino impaling, then so be it.

When Loken shoved him into the dozer blades he seemed to have died, but that was apparently not fatal enough.

Besides, Kharn only went after her because he was angry at her audacity to wear white after Labor Day.

 deviantduck wrote:
Besides, Kharn only went after her because he was angry at her audacity to wear white after Labor Day.

It's not her fault. Black wings are so 1999.

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

Kharn was found on Istvaan 5 impaled on a rhino by Skane who called apothecary Kargos over. They patched him up and he was fine. He didn't die. This was in the Intro/First chapter of HH Betrayer. If there was a second rhino impaling, then so be it.

I unlucky the does guy needs to be to be impaled twice on a Rhino? I don't think we can say that Kharn died twice or even once. As far as I am concerned, he was presumed dead or seriously injured enough to be thought dead at least twice it doesn't mean he actually died in either situation. On another note, it does seem like Celestine resurrection shtick designate her as an ideal "Worf". Though, it's fairly useless to Worf her to show Kharn strength. Evrybody knows that Kharn is almost unbeatable. Only a handful of character could hope killing him in duel. I would say Celestine is more in need of a "Worf" to showcase what she can actually do beside bouncing back from the dead like a grumpy cat meme.

 Nurglitch wrote:
On the other hand, being constantly slain in the service of the Emperor is quite the martyrdom, especially when that sort of thing is why Daemon Princes are slaves to darkness.

How is Martyrdom if you don't actually die?

I get it, I don't dislike Celestine or anything. But I agree that she can very easely be overused and lose all of his narrative weight.

 deviantduck wrote:
Besides, Kharn only went after her because he was angry at her audacity to wear white after Labor Day.

Khorne: lord of skulls, blood, war, and fashion policing.

KHORNE CARES NOT FROM WHERE THE STYLE FLOWWWWS


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epronovost wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

Kharn was found on Istvaan 5 impaled on a rhino by Skane who called apothecary Kargos over. They patched him up and he was fine. He didn't die. This was in the Intro/First chapter of HH Betrayer. If there was a second rhino impaling, then so be it.

I unlucky the does guy needs to be to be impaled twice on a Rhino? I don't think we can say that Kharn died twice or even once. As far as I am concerned, he was presumed dead or seriously injured enough to be thought dead at least twice it doesn't mean he actually died in either situation. On another note, it does seem like Celestine resurrection shtick designate her as an ideal "Worf". Though, it's fairly useless to Worf her to show Kharn strength. Evrybody knows that Kharn is almost unbeatable. Only a handful of character could hope killing him in duel. I would say Celestine is more in need of a "Worf" to showcase what she can actually do beside bouncing back from the dead like a grumpy cat meme.

but but but but but she ALMOST got to worf Abbadon and then died and came back to life like a grumpy cat meme....

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Did Khârn really win though? It's not as though Celestine will stay dead. Much like Draigo's victories against Daemons are fleeting and temporal, Celestine getting her head chopped off by Khorne's favoured son but coming back as though she didn't care later through the Grace of the Emperor (TM) is more or less telling Khorne that he has no power over her or the Emperor. Chop off her head as much as you like, she'll be back.

For Kharn it's a win as he shed blood. Win or lose that's all that matters, although with Kharn it's usually win.

Question: was Celestine ever actually alive? She's an Imperial Saint, not a Sister of Battle, and therefore not mortal.

From a fluff standpoint, she's just as much an abhorrent creation of the warp as any Daemon Prince. She's just a slave to the Emperor instead of a Dark God.

I object to Kharn butchering her on the grounds that he's technically fighting against Chaos. They should be collecting skulls together.

the_scotsman wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
Besides, Kharn only went after her because he was angry at her audacity to wear white after Labor Day.

Khorne: lord of skulls, blood, war, and fashion policing.

KHORNE CARES NOT FROM WHERE THE STYLE FLOWWWWS

He makes people catatonic on the catwalk, he makes blood run on the runway, and empties every magazine in every issue of Vogue.
...and don't get me started on Apothecary Fabulous Bile

epronovost wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Primortus wrote:
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Kharn has died exactly once in his 10000 year lifetime, at the gates of Terra.

Let's see:
+Impaled through the chest on a Rhino's dozer blade (presumed dead)
+Died at the Gates of Terra on a mound of corpses

Yeah, no other deaths listed, though I almost could swear I recall him having a rule that let him get back up after getting dropped in a game, but those weren't supper uncommon in 5th.

That said, just because it hasn't been written doesn't mean it doesn't have room to happen in the lore.

Kharn was found on Istvaan 5 impaled on a rhino by Skane who called apothecary Kargos over. They patched him up and he was fine. He didn't die. This was in the Intro/First chapter of HH Betrayer. If there was a second rhino impaling, then so be it.

I unlucky the does guy needs to be to be impaled twice on a Rhino? I don't think we can say that Kharn died twice or even once. As far as I am concerned, he was presumed dead or seriously injured enough to be thought dead at least twice it doesn't mean he actually died in either situation. On another note, it does seem like Celestine resurrection shtick designate her as an ideal "Worf". Though, it's fairly useless to Worf her to show Kharn strength. Evrybody knows that Kharn is almost unbeatable. Only a handful of character could hope killing him in duel. I would say Celestine is more in need of a "Worf" to showcase what she can actually do beside bouncing back from the dead like a grumpy cat meme.

Most of those characters who could beat him (such as Sigismund) are already dead too.

the_scotsman wrote:
but but but but but she ALMOST got to worf Abbadon and then died and came back to life like a grumpy cat meme....

First, lol.

Second, if she keeps dying and resurrecting like that, maybe all the talk about her keeping her faith is fairly diminished. I mean, full faith in the God-Emperor i great and all, but when death and resurrection becomes your normal wednesday afternoon, it makes it very easy and rather cheap. Did she even accomplished anything with that most recent death or was it a completly pointless death?

 techsoldaten wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Did Khârn really win though? It's not as though Celestine will stay dead. Much like Draigo's victories against Daemons are fleeting and temporal, Celestine getting her head chopped off by Khorne's favoured son but coming back as though she didn't care later through the Grace of the Emperor (TM) is more or less telling Khorne that he has no power over her or the Emperor. Chop off her head as much as you like, she'll be back.

For Kharn it's a win as he shed blood. Win or lose that's all that matters, although with Kharn it's usually win.

Question: was Celestine ever actually alive? She's an Imperial Saint, not a Sister of Battle, and therefore not mortal.

From a fluff standpoint, she's just as much an abhorrent creation of the warp as any Daemon Prince. She's just a slave to the Emperor instead of a Dark God.

I object to Kharn butchering her on the grounds that he's technically fighting against Chaos. They should be collecting skulls together.

Celestine was a Repentia who died in battle before coming back to life "redeemed". This promoted her to saint status which has only grown since then as she's appeared countless times since the second time she died (to a nuke) to aid the Imperium, leading wars of faith against the enemies of man. There was a book I recall them mentioning that she'd stabbed through a man to kill the traitor behind him and the man not only didn't die, but had a wound that never properly healed and was seeping blood to the day the novel was set in (basically a stigmata).

Gathering Storm established that she was supposed to be the first of others, but something failed and she's the only one of her kind (my guess is a shard of the Emperor's Psyche wanted to try to forcibly uplift humanity, saw the purity of her soul and used her only for it to not work out as intended).

thinking about it, it is just hilarious just HOW many different factions have fluff excuses for them to get curbstomped by space marines.

Sisters: Pretty much only named character resurrects
Eldar: Pheonix Lords resurrect, avatar of khaine is just a statue so you can kill him as much as you want.
Dark Eldar: everyone can haemoncurevive.
Tyranids: yep, their named characters can die and get reborn.
Necrons: Yep, their named characters can die and get voiped back to the tomb world/repaired.
Daemons: Yep, their named characters can die and get re-pooped out by their deity.

I'm frankly more amazed that the Orks and Tau are the only NPC races that DONT have built in Get Out of Dead Free cards so they can get curbstomped by the heroes. Though IIRC Tau made like a hatsune miku of the space pope, so maybe that's their solution to that.

I guess their solution for the orks is to just delete all their named characters except for ghazzy and have them run totally all-NPC all the time.

epronovost wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
but but but but but she ALMOST got to worf Abbadon and then died and came back to life like a grumpy cat meme....

First, lol.

Second, if she keeps dying and resurrecting like that, maybe all the talk about her keeping her faith is fairly diminished. I mean, full faith in the God-Emperor i great and all, but when death and resurrection becomes your normal wednesday afternoon, it makes it very easy and rather cheap. Did she even accomplished anything with that most recent death or was it a completly pointless death?

She's something other than completely human now and it may be more the faith that others have in the Emperor that keeps bringing her back rather than her own belief at this point. She clearly believes in the divinity of the Emperor though and even lead a religious service on the steps of the Imperial palace for the pilgrims who'd traveled there, but her faith may not be driving her to keep coming back and she knows everytime she dies it's wearing her away to the point that conceivably any death could be her last one.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Most of those characters who could beat him (such as Sigismund) are already dead too.

Right now I would say the only potential candidates for capable of handling Kharn are Lelith, a Phoenix Lord (most likely one from a close combat aspect shrine), Abbadon himself, Guilliman (duh), Ghazkull (duh again), Calgar, Crowe, Obiron, the Swarmlord (duh again) and, irony, I would have probably placed Celestine there, but I guess I was wrong on this one. I don't count Lucius in there because he is obviouly a little bitch and nobody likes him, not even his mom, plus he is ugly and has no sense of style and panache (:p).

 Galas wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
On the other hand, being constantly slain in the service of the Emperor is quite the martyrdom, especially when that sort of thing is why Daemon Princes are slaves to darkness.

How is Martyrdom if you don't actually die?

I get it, I don't dislike Celestine or anything. But I agree that she can very easely be overused and lose all of his narrative weight.

She can't come back to life if she didn't die first, and while I'm reasonably sure dying isn't strictly necessary for martyrdom, the suffering is.

the_scotsman wrote:
thinking about it, it is just hilarious just HOW many different factions have fluff excuses for them to get curbstomped by space marines.

Sisters: Pretty much only named character resurrects
Eldar: Pheonix Lords resurrect, avatar of khaine is just a statue so you can kill him as much as you want.
Dark Eldar: everyone can haemoncurevive.
Tyranids: yep, their named characters can die and get reborn.
Necrons: Yep, their named characters can die and get voiped back to the tomb world/repaired.
Daemons: Yep, their named characters can die and get re-pooped out by their deity.

I'm frankly more amazed that the Orks and Tau are the only NPC races that DONT have built in Get Out of Dead Free cards so they can get curbstomped by the heroes. Though IIRC Tau made like a hatsune miku of the space pope, so maybe that's their solution to that.

I guess their solution for the orks is to just delete all their named characters except for ghazzy and have them run totally all-NPC all the time.

Sisters haven't fought Space Marines outside of the one time they fought Space Wolves over blowing up an Ecclesiarchy missionary lander that was in Fenris airspace. They did fight the Guard in two novels (one where the Guard sided with Chaos and they were blindly serving a corrupt priest they should have killed making them dumb mooks instead of real Sisters in my mind) and again in another where the Canoness was practicing Istvannian doctrine to the point she was allowing whole worlds to die in hopes that any sole survivor would come out of it stronger (basically let the chaffe of humanity purge so the survivors come out stronger....and one said survivor kills her in a fight, so it's possible she was right, albeit possibly crazy).

Sisters job it a bit against CSM, but seeing as you're taking humans in power armour up against Astartes in power armour I'm not too shocked.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Celestine was a Repentia who died in battle before coming back to life "redeemed". This promoted her to saint status which has only grown since then as she's appeared countless times since the second time she died (to a nuke) to aid the Imperium, leading wars of faith against the enemies of man. There was a book I recall them mentioning that she'd stabbed through a man to kill the traitor behind him and the man not only didn't die, but had a wound that never properly healed and was seeping blood to the day the novel was set in (basically a stigmata).

That would actually be Saint Katherine and it wasn't a traitor it was an Eldar Autarch she was duelling. When the fight took a turn against him, he took an imperial soldier hostage, but it didn't work. At least that's the sotry in Faith and Fire. A similar event might have happened to Celestine too. In her earlier lore, it was hinted she might have been a reincarnation of Saint Katherine in the first place (her sword and armor were Saint Katherine artefact afterall).

BrianDavion wrote:
BTW what book/story is this extract from? Because right now we have a single page of a larger story, that's not a whole lot of room for CONTEXT. I mean "Kharne runs up and butchers celestine, the end" is a biiiiiiiiig differance from "they've been fighting for a dozen pages, both getting their hits in, and this is just finally Kharn winning"

Just quoting BrianDavion, but others have asked: Its from the novel "Shroud of Night" by Andy Clark. It was one of the first novels to come out since the fluff moved forward after Cadia was destroyed.

Kharn and Celestine are mostly ancillary characters in the novel about a group of Alpha Legion who are trying to steal a relic with anti-chaos properties that separate and opposing forces of Chaos are trying to destroy/corrupt for their own ends. The Imperials are of course defending the relic, but its a losing battle for them.

The excerpt that OP focused on is near to the culmination of the novel (going off memory, I read the novel when it was released over a year ago) :



The above action is maybe, at most, 3 pages of text, and the duel is interspersed with the AL squad ex-filtrating themselves from the scene. To call it "domestic violence level" is an absurdity.

Straight up troll thread, imo. If OP isn't guilty of trolling, they're definitely guilty of being intellectually infantile. Taking a small paragraph from a near 300 page novel and taking it out of context to prove some kind of point is ridiculous. If you are truly concerned about that sequence of events, maybe read it for yourself? Or failing that, ask for clarification on the scene, from someone who read it.

0/10.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
thinking about it, it is just hilarious just HOW many different factions have fluff excuses for them to get curbstomped by space marines.

Sisters: Pretty much only named character resurrects
Eldar: Pheonix Lords resurrect, avatar of khaine is just a statue so you can kill him as much as you want.
Dark Eldar: everyone can haemoncurevive.
Tyranids: yep, their named characters can die and get reborn.
Necrons: Yep, their named characters can die and get voiped back to the tomb world/repaired.
Daemons: Yep, their named characters can die and get re-pooped out by their deity.

I'm frankly more amazed that the Orks and Tau are the only NPC races that DONT have built in Get Out of Dead Free cards so they can get curbstomped by the heroes. Though IIRC Tau made like a hatsune miku of the space pope, so maybe that's their solution to that.

I guess their solution for the orks is to just delete all their named characters except for ghazzy and have them run totally all-NPC all the time.

Sisters haven't fought Space Marines outside of the one time they fought Space Wolves over blowing up an Ecclesiarchy missionary lander that was in Fenris airspace. They did fight the Guard in two novels (one where the Guard sided with Chaos and they were blindly serving a corrupt priest they should have killed making them dumb mooks instead of real Sisters in my mind) and again in another where the Canoness was practicing Istvannian doctrine to the point she was allowing whole worlds to die in hopes that any sole survivor would come out of it stronger (basically let the chaffe of humanity purge so the survivors come out stronger....and one said survivor kills her in a fight, so it's possible she was right, albeit possibly crazy).

Sisters job it a bit against CSM, but seeing as you're taking humans in power armour up against Astartes in power armour I'm not too shocked.

A space marine is a space marine whether theyre slightly spikier or not. And boy oh boy are sisters the Worf of choice for the spiky boys.

epronovost wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Celestine was a Repentia who died in battle before coming back to life "redeemed". This promoted her to saint status which has only grown since then as she's appeared countless times since the second time she died (to a nuke) to aid the Imperium, leading wars of faith against the enemies of man. There was a book I recall them mentioning that she'd stabbed through a man to kill the traitor behind him and the man not only didn't die, but had a wound that never properly healed and was seeping blood to the day the novel was set in (basically a stigmata).

That would actually be Saint Katherine and it wasn't a traitor it was an Eldar Autarch she was duelling. When the fight took a turn against him, he took an imperial soldier hostage, but it didn't work. At least that's the sotry in Faith and Fire. A similar event might have happened to Celestine too. In her earlier lore, it was hinted she might have been a reincarnation of Saint Katherine in the first place (her sword and armor were Saint Katherine artefact afterall).

I could have sworn it was Celestine, but I definitely retain the right to be wrong. I'm not nuclear rocket surgeon afterall.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I'm not nuclear rocket surgeon afterall.

That's why your mom is secretly disapponted in you

the_scotsman wrote:
A space marine is a space marine whether theyre slightly spikier or not. And boy oh boy are sisters the Worf of choice for the spiky boys.

A spikey space marine is also powered by chaos and fights dirtier.

Also, there aren't a lot of Sisters bits of lore (as crying shame really), most of the losses to Chaos tend to be background lore for Word Bearers characters more than something we see actually played out in the novels themselves.


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 nels1031 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
BTW what book/story is this extract from? Because right now we have a single page of a larger story, that's not a whole lot of room for CONTEXT. I mean "Kharne runs up and butchers celestine, the end" is a biiiiiiiiig differance from "they've been fighting for a dozen pages, both getting their hits in, and this is just finally Kharn winning"

Just quoting BrianDavion, but others have asked: Its from the novel "Shroud of Night" by Andy Clark. It was one of the first novels to come out since the fluff moved forward after Cadia was destroyed.

Kharn and Celestine are mostly ancillary characters in the novel about a group of Alpha Legion who are trying to steal a relic with anti-chaos properties that separate and opposing forces of Chaos are trying to destroy/corrupt for their own ends. The Imperials are of course defending the relic, but its a losing battle for them.

The excerpt that OP focused on is near to the culmination of the novel (going off memory, I read the novel when it was released over a year ago) :

Spoiler:

The Alpha Legion squad have seized the relic and are trying to get off world. They have a running battle with Chaos and Imperial forces. Kharn shows up and he's an unstoppable killing machine, as he has been throughout the novel. He handily defeats the main character and his squad, but as he is about to either destroy the relic or the AL leader (can't remember which) Celestine attacks. Its a fairly brief battle, but she gives a good account of herself (she was an unstoppable killing machine for the imperials up to this point). She knows she can't win once Kharn gets his wits about him, but her main objective is to delay Kharn, so that the AL can escape with the relic intact. Its the lesser evil, and its implied that it was her patrons plan. She "dies" satisfied that Chaos snatched defeat from the jaws of victory because of their single mindedness. The relic lives on(for whatever purpose the shifty AL folks have for it), instead of being corrupted or destroyed by the overtly sinister forces of Slaanesh or Khorne. Its essentially a noble rearguard sacrifice.

The above action is maybe, at most, 3 pages of text, and the duel is interspersed with the AL squad ex-filtrating themselves from the scene. To call it "domestic violence level" is an absurdity.

Straight up troll thread, imo. If OP isn't guilty of trolling, they're definitely guilty of being intellectually infantile. Taking a small paragraph from a near 300 page novel and taking it out of context to prove some kind of point is ridiculous. If you are truly concerned about that sequence of events, maybe read it for yourself? Or failing that, ask for clarification on the scene, from someone who read it.

0/10.

Not to mention, domestic violence implies they actually share a domestic setting, not, you know, fighting in the middle of a warzone while on opposing sides.

Handmaiden wrote:

And she had to be written to die fighting him...why?
And even if she was, why's it a curbstomp? Not too long ago she was holding her own against Abaddon where it was implied she'd have taken him if it weren't for the pylons.

Why would this make women want to play 40k?

You answered your own question right here. She got killed by Kharn, but got the jump on the big bad of the universe.

TL,DR: My favorite character didn't win a fight, and i'm upset about it.

This setting is primarily about Chaos. They need to be strong in the lore. I'm reminded of a Horus Heresy scene wherein Horus is blasted by like the entire Space Wolf fleet and takes no damage because he's protected by chaos. Or, Angron blocking a stomp from a Titan.

Chaos is beast mode. The best fighters in the Imperium struggle with Chaos.



And let's all QQ, this was released in 7th edition and her 7th edition rules were baller status. And the crunch is always > the fluff.