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Sisters aren't coming out right after because GW did not intend to reboot the army until after the survey results. They were going to get a ho hum standard update with no new models until the survey results came in and GW had to face the raw statistics of how many of their customers genuinely want to see new Sisters models.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
So bored with people thinking GW exists to cater to their personal whims right now.

Agreed.
Ahh greed.

 Xenomancers wrote:
It just feels so stale - plus nothing to look forward to. Orks are about the only army I don't wish to start ever. Though it's
I need new building projects to distract from my painting projects.

You need a sense of perspective.

 Excommunicatus wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
It just feels so stale - plus nothing to look forward to. Orks are about the only army I don't wish to start ever. Though it's
I need new building projects to distract from my painting projects.

You need a sense of perspective.

What do you mean? I enjoy building new models. Are you saying I should stop wanting to do what I enjoy?

Im just waiting for GW to actually balance close combat armies to balanced in a semi competetive enviroment.... But im not holding my breath by any means.

This edition...so many opportunities to fix general balance, but nothing is being done execpt shifting tournament meta :(

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
It just feels so stale - plus nothing to look forward to. Orks are about the only army I don't wish to start ever. Though it's
I need new building projects to distract from my painting projects.

You need a sense of perspective.

What do you mean? I enjoy building new models. Are you saying I should stop wanting to do what I enjoy?

He means that you should possibly look at some Foregeworld or another army/game or finish up what you've got or expand some of your squads or such. Since GW itself isn't slowing down much; they've just been releasing more than marines and 40K stuff as of late. Plus go back2 years and this rate of updates that GW has given us would be unheard of - in fact it was a total dream not one gamer really thought would ever really happen!

Indexes at LAUNCH of a new edition - Nearly the entire game with codex released within a 2 year period - heck you would wait 3 or 4 years for your army to get attention without any guarantee that you'd see a new codex before another new game edition. Plus GW has been releasing new armies, new games, new models the whole time.

They are going at a crazy speed!

I guess people with good codex are all in for a slow down, the fewer changes and the fewer new stuff, the longer they can enjoy their armies, and their builds.

On the other side of the argument are people that did not get a new codex yet, or their codex is like the GK one. I can't wait for GW to start a new cycle, nerf all the bad armies and finally make GK good. From what I have been told they were good back in the past, so it is not like non one working at GW can't write a good GK codex.

Honestly I expected the second Primaris wave by now. Then again it's almost the holiday season...

But basically I've just been catching up on painting since I don't have to build things now. Well I mean I have things I can build but I cant fit them in lists, so they sit till a load out I don't have built become "usable"

Seriously...Am I the only one that's been waiting multiple years of my life to have these things in exchange for my money?

No. Anyone who’s played for a while has been frustrated at incomplete ranges, decades between updates etc. etc. etc.

But the sky is not falling, and we’re getting so much good stuff lately. Waiting one year is not ‘insane’ compared to previous editions. Sisters are getting an entirely new range... gird your wallet for next year. We have an entire Genestealer Cult range out of the blue not so very long ago.

That the GW range of factions is too big for them to release new stuff for your favourite army every month is just something you have to live with. The 24-hr news cycle and forum culture make minutes seem like years, but we really are getting more good stuff at a faster speed than ever it seems. If it’s not what you (general collective you not aimed at anyone) personally wanted or at a speed you find personally acceptable then eh, GW aren’t beholden to anyone and their sales are going gangbusters... they’re doing more right than wrong, clearly.

Knights duked so hard on the meta that it's problematic. We have a very stale meta because knights are gating a significant number of really cool lists.

Genestealer cults + Tyranids + Guard is absolutely viable if you don't encounter Knights. As an example. The new models are solid for GSC.

Can I ask how long you've been in the hobby? I've never seen GW with a release rate like this, in over 20 years of being a customer. Only thing I will fault though - an expansion in armies. When they had six armies, you got releases far more often. Now, the very existence of 25+ factions and lines of models means that you'll more or less never see a release except every couple of years. That, to me, is a negative.

I'd rather see 12 factions and a consistent release for each every month or two, instead of the "blitz of kits" each army gets every 2-3 years (unless you're Eldar). Regardless, the release pace has been staggering from ole Gee-Dubs.

 Elbows wrote:
Can I ask how long you've been in the hobby? I've never seen GW with a release rate like this, in over 20 years of being a customer. Only thing I will fault though - an expansion in armies. When they had six armies, you got releases far more often. Now, the very existence of 25+ factions and lines of models means that you'll more or less never see a release except every couple of years. That, to me, is a negative.

I'd rather see 12 factions and a consistent release for each every month or two, instead of the "blitz of kits" each army gets every 2-3 years (unless you're Eldar). Regardless, the release pace has been staggering from ole Gee-Dubs.

I know this probably wasn't directed at me but this will be my 12th year. While I love that some of the smaller ranges are getting models and table top time, I agree that does bog things down. And yea I really wish they would redo the aspect warriors and phoinix lords, many of them haven't aged well and fine cast is a meh material.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
It just feels so stale - plus nothing to look forward to. Orks are about the only army I don't wish to start ever. Though it's
I need new building projects to distract from my painting projects.

You need a sense of perspective.

What do you mean? I enjoy building new models. Are you saying I should stop wanting to do what I enjoy?

I mean that existence precedes essence.

We've all hit a hobby wall not of our own making. Some of us figure out how to get around, over or under the wall; some people sit down, complain and say its someone else's job to knock the wall down.

I find this topic quite amusing.

I want a codex, I want new minis...etc.

Spare a thought for R&H players, myself on a very casual basis, who not only had their army range canned but a crap index nerfed on top.

Then start complaining...perspective people.

 Elbows wrote:
Can I ask how long you've been in the hobby? I've never seen GW with a release rate like this, in over 20 years of being a customer. Only thing I will fault though - an expansion in armies. When they had six armies, you got releases far more often. Now, the very existence of 25+ factions and lines of models means that you'll more or less never see a release except every couple of years. That, to me, is a negative.

I'd rather see 12 factions and a consistent release for each every month or two, instead of the "blitz of kits" each army gets every 2-3 years (unless you're Eldar). Regardless, the release pace has been staggering from ole Gee-Dubs.

You know, this is probably the prime reason that many players are feeling left out in recent years. There might be a swathe of releases coming out for certain armies, but if you don't collect that army, or have no interest in that army, then chances are you're going to be feeling left out wondering when "your turn" might be. And with the release schedule as it is now, it wouldn't surprise me if that has exacerbated this problem, and Games Workshop would be best trying to find a solution to the issue. Making more sub-factions as stand alone codexes may be a good way to make money in the short term, but it's not at all sustainable, and it's time that Games Workshop start making decisions on how they want to handle this.

 Excommunicatus wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
It just feels so stale - plus nothing to look forward to. Orks are about the only army I don't wish to start ever. Though it's
I need new building projects to distract from my painting projects.

You need a sense of perspective.

What do you mean? I enjoy building new models. Are you saying I should stop wanting to do what I enjoy?

I mean that existence precedes essence.

We've all hit a hobby wall not of our own making. Some of us figure out how to get around, over or under the wall; some people sit down, complain and say its someone else's job to knock the wall down.

You know - I appreciate the deep ideas you are bringing up here. I really do. I've considered learning how to make my own models but...it seems like a pretty big thing to invest time into.


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 Elbows wrote:
Can I ask how long you've been in the hobby? I've never seen GW with a release rate like this, in over 20 years of being a customer. Only thing I will fault though - an expansion in armies. When they had six armies, you got releases far more often. Now, the very existence of 25+ factions and lines of models means that you'll more or less never see a release except every couple of years. That, to me, is a negative.

I'd rather see 12 factions and a consistent release for each every month or two, instead of the "blitz of kits" each army gets every 2-3 years (unless you're Eldar). Regardless, the release pace has been staggering from ole Gee-Dubs.

Played most of 5th edition - skipped most of 6th - played all 7th. The end of 7th saw some unprecedented stuff - the rate of release was amazing. Loved it. It's probably the main reason I stuck around for 8th. Plus I agree - this isn't uncommon from GW I just thought they turned over a new leaf and decided to actually start running a company better.

You do know that the sister trial list will be out in about 2 months right?

The hyperbole is amazing. Waiting years for new primaris? They haven't even been out for "years". Last new primaris model to come out was tooth and claw... like 2 months ago.
Has it always been like this? Back in the 90's did people complain if it was more than a few months since their army got an update?

If there's one problem with 40k, it's that Space Marines players don't get enough new model releases.

meleti wrote:
If there's one problem with 40k, it's that Space Marines players don't get enough new model releases.

I hope this is a sarcastic post. I play Marines, and I don't want new releases, I want better rules. The Marine line doesn't NEED anything, it just needs a rules update to get it back in line with the newer books.

I wish they would have not made Primaris, and spent that time on rules writing, and to release updated/new models for the other factions who desperately need them.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

meleti wrote:
If there's one problem with 40k, it's that Space Marines players don't get enough new model releases.

I hope this is a sarcastic post. I play Marines, and I don't want new releases, I want better rules. The Marine line doesn't NEED anything, it just needs a rules update to get it back in line with the newer books.

I wish they would have not made Primaris, and spent that time on rules writing, and to release updated/new models for the other factions who desperately need them.

This so much. I have been a loyalist marine player since day one and I don't want new models, and I didn't want the Primaris. The only kit I kinda want recut/redone is scouts. What I want is GW to go back to the older existing lines and refresh/ update some of the older kits. There are a ton of kits/ lines/ factions that have not gotten much for a few years especially infantry models and older characters. That combined with GW increasingly cutting options even among existing kits is just annoying.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

meleti wrote:
If there's one problem with 40k, it's that Space Marines players don't get enough new model releases.

I hope this is a sarcastic post. I play Marines, and I don't want new releases, I want better rules. The Marine line doesn't NEED anything, it just needs a rules update to get it back in line with the newer books.

I wish they would have not made Primaris, and spent that time on rules writing, and to release updated/new models for the other factions who desperately need them.

I want standardized size to models. Few years away from the hobby, I come back and i was like "Cool!Primaris Marines!". Then I take a look at the models, and my OCD alarms kicked off all over the place.

I DID hear that Primaris Rhino's are going to be released soon. I'm looking forward to that. I'm going to buy Primaris Rhino's for my regular marines

It is definitely safe to assume a Primaris 2nd wave at some point in the next 12 months.

The GW community is so spoilt these days, a couple of weeks of "inactivity" and people are sharpening pitchforks already? Shall we go back to the days of old where a codex was released every 6 months? Where factions would go entire editions (sometimes several) before even a sniff of an updated codex.

In 13 months we've had 20 40k codexes release, not even taking into account all the boxsets and revival of speciality games and AOS.

Stay classy Dakka...

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I wish they would have not made Primaris, and spent that time on rules writing, and to release updated/new models for the other factions who desperately need them.

You expect an awful lot out of about 20 minutes of effort....

I am not at all bored with their releases. We have 6 new ork vehicles coming out in the next few weeks and 2 exclusive minis coming out this Saturday. Honestly it's hard to not buy models for armies I don't have.

Primaris are reason why I postponed collecting Dark Angels. IMO primaris marines and normal marines do not look good together. I like some primaris models but RW has any primaris unit. They should get primaris land speeders.

Or if we could know that original marines prevails... Maybe I should start to collect mechanicus instead.

The last thing this game needs is even more Space Marine units/models... the one thing I'm bored by is a new Space Marine every month. It's also the one thing that hasn't changed with "new GW". 40K is still a game about Space Marines fighting against some NPC races.
Other than that there are a lot of interesting things. Orks, terrain, Kill Team, that Eldar box, Chapter approved is coming in 3 months, Genestealers should be shortly after Orks.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

meleti wrote:
If there's one problem with 40k, it's that Space Marines players don't get enough new model releases.

I hope this is a sarcastic post. I play Marines, and I don't want new releases, I want better rules. The Marine line doesn't NEED anything, it just needs a rules update to get it back in line with the newer books.

I wish they would have not made Primaris, and spent that time on rules writing, and to release updated/new models for the other factions who desperately need them.

I don't think it's very reasonable to say the Primaris release has actually delayed any releases for other factions... 2018 has seen new or updated models for Nurgle, Necrons, Eldar, Imperial Knights, Orks, Genestealer Cults... probably a couple more I'm forgetting. Like, I detest loyalist Marines and groan every time I see a new release for them but it's not really fair to claim the rest of us aren't getting anything.

Darsath wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Can I ask how long you've been in the hobby? I've never seen GW with a release rate like this, in over 20 years of being a customer. Only thing I will fault though - an expansion in armies. When they had six armies, you got releases far more often. Now, the very existence of 25+ factions and lines of models means that you'll more or less never see a release except every couple of years. That, to me, is a negative.

I'd rather see 12 factions and a consistent release for each every month or two, instead of the "blitz of kits" each army gets every 2-3 years (unless you're Eldar). Regardless, the release pace has been staggering from ole Gee-Dubs.

You know, this is probably the prime reason that many players are feeling left out in recent years. There might be a swathe of releases coming out for certain armies, but if you don't collect that army, or have no interest in that army, then chances are you're going to be feeling left out wondering when "your turn" might be. And with the release schedule as it is now, it wouldn't surprise me if that has exacerbated this problem, and Games Workshop would be best trying to find a solution to the issue. Making more sub-factions as stand alone codexes may be a good way to make money in the short term, but it's not at all sustainable, and it's time that Games Workshop start making decisions on how they want to handle this.

They did exactly that, about 3 editions ago (but for some reason people only complain now).
GW has consolidated the factions into bigger factions, so that there are bigger chances that you will get interested in a new release, we call it "souping".

Necrons and Eldar have had.... one model(?) this year. I wouldn't include them in factions that have got stuff.

But still you probably have sisters, slaanesh and primaris on the horizon.