[poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?

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**ClockworkZion**

Manchu wrote:
There is a bright orange sign at the top of the OP advising that posts arguing about femarines will be deleted. Folks who keep bringing it up will have to take a break from posting on Dakka Dakka. Thanks!

ClockworkZion wrote:
Based on what little we know about Tau physiology....the only difference between the sexes you can see is in the face
The issue there is the assumption is based on an admitted lack of information. We know that Tau have sexually dimorphic facial features. And we don’t know anything else. GW generously, I suppose, included female heads on the sprue. I don’t think we should jump to conclusions based on that.

Xenology shows they lack mammaries (meaning they most likely aren't mammals and every busty Tau girl pic you've seen is wrong), but we don't know much else beyond that.

That said, the males and females look similar enough in armour that it apparently doesn't matter which heads you put on which bodies, so we could argue that their sexual dimorphism could be less external and more internal.

**meleti**

I think the Tau way makes the most sense. Men and women serve equally under the same command structure. All female units or especially armies always struck me as a weird concept.

**JohnHwangDD**

Crimson wrote:
To the mod who keeps deleting the posts, is female Custodians now a banned topic too?

Actions speak louder than words.

What I don't understand is why GW doesn't introduce the concept and models via Slaanesh. "It's CHAOS!"

**Andykp**

ALL factions should have females in them.

**ClockworkZion**

Andykp wrote:
ALL factions should have females in them.

Well if we look at the main factions (Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Aeldari, Necrons, Tau and Tyranids) only Orks lack anything female on any level of the army, the rest being a mixed back all over the place on how many females could be said mixed into the subfactions themselves.

That said, we do need more female cultist models since we have none right now and that's a bit odd since GSC and Chaos Cultists have men and women running around causing havoc.

**meleti**

Andykp wrote:
ALL factions should have females in them.

I think Orks and Tyranids are asexual species. I don't know enough about Necrons to say if they had two sexes, but they'd be in a weirder case now because they're now all sexless robots.

**Manchu**

Xenology can’t be trusted at all. The very image in question shoes toes instead of hooves. Ordo Xenos sometimes gets carried away by its prejudices.

Female cultists are a huge oversight. I mean, what about Cultist-chan for throne’s sake? A female Chaos cultist is one of the most popular fan characters of all time.

**Andykp**

Factions that have females in them

Eldar
Guard (just about)
Admech (fluff)
Tau
Sisters of silence
Sisters of battle
Inquisition
Knights

Factions that don’t have visible or fluff of gender at all

Necrons (can’t tell cos robots, the odd female proknown wouldn’t hurt though)
ORKS (cos fungus)
Tyranids

What factions are left that could be diversified culturally or gender wise???

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ClockworkZion wrote:
Andykp wrote:
ALL factions should have females in them.

Well if we look at the main factions (Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Aeldari, Necrons, Tau and Tyranids) only Orks lack anything female on any level of the army, the rest being a mixed back all over the place on how many females could be said mixed into the subfactions themselves.

That said, we do need more female cultist models since we have none right now and that's a bit odd since GSC and Chaos Cultists have men and women running around causing havoc.

Indeed see above if it isn’t deleted.

**ClockworkZion**

Manchu wrote:
Xenology can’t be trusted at all. The very image in question shoes toes instead of hooves. Ordo Xenos sometimes gets carried away by its prejudices.

Yeah, but the point remains that the models don't make a difference on whose body the female heads can go onto, meaning that they don't have a massive amount of external dimorphism (such has hip to shoulder ratios, bone structure, height, ect)

**Andykp**

How many female human models do we have right now. In plastic it’s maybe less than ten.

**Manchu**

I would like to see a visibly female Necron lord (lady). Now that Necron have personalities, and more importantly personality quirks, it’s easy to imagine an ancient obsesssion with mortal beauty or the like among the Space TK.

**Andykp**

Manchu wrote:
I would like to see a visibly female Necron lord (lady). Now that Necron have personalities, and more importantly personality quirks, it’s easy to imagine an ancient obsesssion with mortal beauty or the like among the Space TK.

That shouldn’t really look any different though. Like I say it should just be the pronoun that changes. Although the overlords did have some fancy bodies so a female necron could well be dolled up. But it doesn’t need to be to be inclusive.

**ClockworkZion**

Andykp wrote:
How many female human models do we have right now. In plastic it’s maybe less than ten.

Most of the ones we had were metal, but currently we have:

Sisters of Silence (that's 10), Celestine and the Gemini (that's 3), the Rogue Trader set (that's 3), various Dark Eldar models (that's at least 10) and a mix of Tau whose sex can't be told unless they're not wearing their helmets (that's ????).

So we have an okay representation, and of course Necromunda gives us more, but I'll never turn down the option for more variety.

**jeffersonian000**

Crimson wrote:
jeffersonian000 wrote:
There is no reason for GW to opt in to the Female/cultural themed armies any more than they already do/have done. Women already either join the hobby because they like it, or avoid it because they don’t. Just like men do. The hobby is more than just playing with your little plastic army men, it’s an artistic endeavor that spans modeling, painting, dioramas, art work, cosplay, written fiction, video games, and the occasionally epic fan movie. Sure, it would be nice to see more women across the game table, but that’s aspect of the hobby the I am focused on. The dozen and more women I do know in the hobby are into competition level models, painting, and dioramas, while handful that game seem to enjoy the same aspects of the game I do.

In short, no need to cater to a group that isn’t interested. GW already filters out their customer base via pricing and availability. If you like their product, buy it. If not, don’t.

By this logic GW should not ever do anything new. Guardswomen already exist in the fluff and art, it is a high time that we get models to match.

I still own Rogue Trader era female guardsmen.

SJ

**Crimson**

Elves of all sorts have had good female representation for a long time, it is the lack of female human models which is the issue.

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jeffersonian000 wrote:

I still own Rogue Trader era female guardsmen.

That's great. Maybe it's a time for an update, eh?

**ClockworkZion**

Manchu wrote:
I would like to see a visibly female Necron lord (lady). Now that Necron have personalities, and more importantly personality quirks, it’s easy to imagine an ancient obsesssion with mortal beauty or the like among the Space TK.

I agree. It's not really known if the Lords or Crypteks would bother having a different body for females, but I doubt it, meaning that anyone's lord could be a female if they want them to.

And of course since the Warriors were the civilians of the race, that means having around half of those be women makes sense. Question is how male driven their armies were is all that we really need answered to know how diverse the robot zombie army is.

**Andykp**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Andykp wrote:
How many female human models do we have right now. In plastic it’s maybe less than ten.

Most of the ones we had were metal, but currently we have:

Sisters of Silence (that's 10), Celestine and the Gemini (that's 3), the Rogue Trader set (that's 3), various Dark Eldar models (that's at least 10) and a mix of Tau whose sex can't be told unless they're not wearing their helmets (that's ????).

So we have an okay representation, and of course Necromunda gives us more, but I'll never turn down the option for more variety.

Sisters of silence is 5 really. Grey fax and the Celestine and her twins. Forgot the rogue traders. That’s not really well represented. In humans. And all of them have boob plate on and or high heels. Age of Sigmar had managed this much better. Stormcast just are male or female and it makes no difference. It isn’t an issue. And there are very string and feminine models in the line without overt sexualisation.

**meleti**

Andykp wrote:
How many female human models do we have right now. In plastic it’s maybe less than ten.

AoS is leading the pack in that respect. There's a good number of female Stormcast models now. 40k, uh, not so much.

**Andykp**

meleti wrote:
Andykp wrote:
How many female human models do we have right now. In plastic it’s maybe less than ten.

AoS is leading the pack in that respect. There's a good number of female Stormcast models now. 40k, uh, not so much.

And that is how 40k should go. No fan fare just release female models in the major lines.

**Manchu**

I don’t see why a Necron Lady couldn’t have arranged a feminine body for herself. Surely, inclusiveness also apllies here?

**Andykp**

Manchu wrote:
I don’t see why a Necron Lady couldn’t have arranged a feminine body for herself. Surely, inclusiveness also apllies here?

She could but it doesn’t have to be all boobs like human females have to be.

**ClockworkZion**

Andykp wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Andykp wrote:
How many female human models do we have right now. In plastic it’s maybe less than ten.

Most of the ones we had were metal, but currently we have:

Sisters of Silence (that's 10), Celestine and the Gemini (that's 3), the Rogue Trader set (that's 3), various Dark Eldar models (that's at least 10) and a mix of Tau whose sex can't be told unless they're not wearing their helmets (that's ????).

So we have an okay representation, and of course Necromunda gives us more, but I'll never turn down the option for more variety.

Sisters of silence is 5 really. Grey fax and the Celestine and her twins. Forgot the rogue traders. That’s not really well represented. In humans. And all of them have boob plate on and or high heels. Age of Sigmar had managed this much better. Stormcast just are male or female and it makes no difference. It isn’t an issue. And there are very string and feminine models in the line without overt sexualisation.

I forgot Greyfax, but thought there were 10 Sisters of Silence models and not 5.

Boob plate I can live with as a way to try and go "this is a female" on a 28mm scale since the face sculpts have largely been hit or miss.

OH! I forgot Harlequinns and Yvrainne which adds like another 5 or so female models (Harlequin players and a Shadowseer). Plus the Culexas assassin for another 1.

GW hasn't really gone too far down the road of sexualizing minatures, but they do play into trying to use visual shorthand to point out the sex of the model: usually with boobs.

**Arachnofiend**

Andykp wrote:
Manchu wrote:
I would like to see a visibly female Necron lord (lady). Now that Necron have personalities, and more importantly personality quirks, it’s easy to imagine an ancient obsesssion with mortal beauty or the like among the Space TK.

That shouldn’t really look any different though. Like I say it should just be the pronoun that changes. Although the overlords did have some fancy bodies so a female necron could well be dolled up. But it doesn’t need to be to be inclusive.

I happen to be quite fond of a particular fanmade Xun'bakyr design. You can see it for yourself to the left of this post.

**Galas**

Making female Necron Ladies is as easy as giving them head pieces and modifications in their skull to show that.

I doubt the... "beard" of the new Cryptek model is there to have some function. Necrons have personalities now. When you are an individual you want to differentiate yourself from the rest
.That does not mean we need robot skeletons with boobs but is absolutely possible to make an Skeleton that looks feminine with a combination of "clothes", pose, etc...

**ClockworkZion**

Manchu wrote:
I don’t see why a Necron Lady couldn’t have arranged a feminine body for herself. Surely, inclusiveness also apllies here?

Okay, but what is "female" for a Necrontyr? Were they mammals? Birds? Reptiles? We don't even know if the Necrons look close to the same as what the Necrontyr looked like, so it makes it hard to know what a female Necron "should" look like. For all we know they all looked basically the same and sex was conveyed by clothing style or scent markers instead of obvious sexual characteristics.

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Galas wrote:
Making female Necron Ladies is as easy as giving them head pieces and modifications in their skull to show that.

I doubt the... "beard" of the new Cryptek model is there to have some function. Necrons have personalities now. When you are an individual you want to differentiate yourself from the rest
.That does not mean we need robot skeletons with boobs but is absolutely possible to make an Skeleton that looks feminine with a combination of "clothes", pose, etc...

Female Pharohs wore the beard too so it's more a call back to Egyptian culture than a gender marker design wise I think.

**Excommunicatus**

I am unaware of any female Chaos miniatures.

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The state of GW's fem minis is even more deplorable when you consider that one of their twelve releases is 'Dark Eldar prisoners', two hyper-sexualised figures with dubious proportions and pixie features in submissive poses and underwear, which would arguably make sense in a Slaanesh 'kink' aesthetic but makes none in Dark Eldar's 'sadist' aesthetic.

Somewhere, Andrea Dworkin just rolled over in her grave.

**JohnHwangDD**

Andykp wrote:
Manchu wrote:
I don’t see why a Necron Lady couldn’t have arranged a feminine body for herself. Surely, inclusiveness also apllies here?

She could but it doesn’t have to be all boobs like human females have to be.

But then how would players know it's a "female" robot?

**Manchu**

Andykp wrote:
Manchu wrote:
I don’t see why a Necron Lady couldn’t have arranged a feminine body for herself. Surely, inclusiveness also apllies here?
She could but it doesn’t have to be all boobs like human females have to be.

NO SHE MUST BE ALL BOOBS, NOTHING BUT BOOBS ALL THE WAY DOWN!

Kidding aside, I dunno what you mean. If we have Necron Lady, presumably because we want to visibly suggest that Necrons can be feminine as well as mascline and moreover that its okay for women and girls to like Necrons, then this character will need to be immediately recognizable as female. So sure, she doesn’t need to be a writhing mass of breasts or whatever but neither did I suggest such a model would be ...

**Arachnofiend**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Andykp wrote:
Manchu wrote:
I don’t see why a Necron Lady couldn’t have arranged a feminine body for herself. Surely, inclusiveness also apllies here?

She could but it doesn’t have to be all boobs like human females have to be.

But then how would players know it's a "female" robot?

The name, mostly. That's all that's really necessary, especially for a faction who has extreme uniformity as a defining aesthetic trait. For an example from a different franchise the Arakkoa have no sexual dimorphism and you can only tell the difference from their voice and their names, and I personally loved those designs.

**JohnHwangDD**

Manchu wrote:
Andykp wrote:
Manchu wrote:
I don’t see why a Necron Lady couldn’t have arranged a feminine body for herself. Surely, inclusiveness also apllies here?
She could but it doesn’t have to be all boobs like human females have to be.
NO SHE MUST BE ALL BOOBS, NOTHING BUT BOOBS ALL THE WAY DOWN!

So you want GW to make a Kingdom Death Wet Nurse? Because that model exists.

Or are you just talking about a robot version of the boobworm?