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Bharring wrote:
Perhaps all the CWE changes are on Datasheets, which it says are elsewhere in the book?

Another leak went out on the FW unit wargear.
Scatter laser - 7ppm
Shuricannon remains 10ppm
Star cannon down to 13ppm

This is likely going to be the same for the Codex options too. Glad to see GW agrees that the Scatter laser is worse then the Shuricannon. At 7ppm it's actually an interesting choice now. It also makes Scatter Lasers or Star cannons almost auto-take on WKs.
Depending on how cheap Windriders become (and they NEED to be cheaper) Scatterbikes might be viable again, but certainly not to the extend of 7E (thankfully)

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And Warlocks are 10ppm more than Warlock Conclave members.

Fairly sure this is a change. A good one.

Crisis suits down to 27 points

Death Guard changes seem good. CSM I'm disappointed no drop for regular CSM, but wargear seems to have dropped a bit.

Space Wolf terminators at 23, I dont think those above ones are accurate.

ASM at 15ppm with Jumppacks is a -1ppm change. Don't know if it's the Battle Brother or the Jumppack. But it being listed seperately seems to be a change, too.

4th page? I'm not seeing a 4th page.

Re: termies, why are Chaos Termies 2 and Deathwatch 23?

Well yep, Normal Termies are 23 points base, CSM Termies are 28 points base. Nice job.

4ppm guardsmen, 5ppm cultists.

No changes for castellan

 Sir Heckington wrote:
Well yep, Normal Termies are 23 points base, CSM Termies are 28 points base. Nice job.

4ppm guardsmen, 5ppm cultists.

Speaking of terminators, Deathwing Knights down 10ppm and stormshield down 3ppm. I didn't really think they needed a reduction....so....awesome!

gendoikari87 wrote:
No changes for castellan

That's effectively a points increase. Like with Guardsmen.

The leaked points look...broadly good at first glance, a couple hear scratchers. Not sure why Loyalist termis are 23 and Chaos termis are 28ppm. Lots of stuff that needs help didnt get it, but some stuff did.

Looks like Demolisher cannons got a merciful price break of 20pts. Loving the decreased Daemon Engine points, looking forward to playing around with that.

Chimeras got a huge price break, a classic Multilaser/HB chimera went from 93pts to 73. Not quite as cheap as I think they should be but they're at least useable now. Devilfish are now a bit cheaper as well, glad to see that.

Was hoping to see Rhinos get a break too

Hydras and Armored Sentinels also got love, I'm a big fan of that. The Deathstrike is down 30pts but im still unsure of its utility. Vanquisher got a points break as did thr Exterminator but 5 and 8pts off respectively isnt gonna make them usable. Tank Commanders got a 25pt reduction, really? Shadowsword went up 20pts but I dont think thats gonna change much there.

Anyone notice gk terms are 39 points while others are 23? Even with full smite thats bs

Vanquisher cannon became a relic battlecannon in the new formation. I don't think I'll take a vanquisher even with the points reduction.

 Trickstick wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
No changes for castellan

That's effectively a points increase. Like with Guardsmen.

LOL...not at all. Best in slot is still best in slot. Castellan not being increased is a sheer show of incompetence from GW.

Kharn going down 40pts is pretty nice, still not sure I would take him in a competitive game though.

gendoikari87 wrote:
Anyone notice gk terms are 39 points while others are 23? Even with full smite thats bs

I think the 23 is a misprint.

SoT are 30. 34 with sword, which is 5 less than a GK termie with a force weapon.

Can anyone make out the point costs for the Wraithknight and Wraithlord?

 Vaktathi wrote:
The leaked points look...broadly good at first glance, a couple hear scratchers. Not sure why Loyalist termis are 23 and Chaos termis are 28ppm. Lots of stuff that needs help didnt get it, but some stuff did.

Looks like Demolisher cannons got a merciful price break of 20pts. Loving the decreased Daemon Engine points, looking forward to playing around with that.

Chimeras got a huge price break, a classic Multilaser/HB chimera went from 93pts to 73. Not quite as cheap as I think they should be but they're at least useable now. Devilfish are now a bit cheaper as well, glad to see that.

Was hoping to see Rhinos get a break too

Hydras and Armored Sentinels also got love, I'm a big fan of that. The Deathstrike is down 30pts but im still unsure of its utility. Vanquisher got a points break as did thr Exterminator but 5 and 8pts off respectively isnt gonna make them usable. Tank Commanders got a 25pt reduction, really? Shadowsword went up 20pts but I dont think thats gonna change much there.

Gaurd are actually the most imprtoved army IMO except maybe tau wins most improved. 70 point ghost keels is REALLY dumb and they are going to be spammed. 27 point crisis is and 15 point missle pods really good. Tank commanders down 25 points is maybe the biggest head scratcher though - they were already phenomenally good - command demolisher is now god mode LOL.

 Elhazard wrote:
Can anyone make out the point costs for the Wraithknight and Wraithlord?

WK is 315, while the WL looks is 85

 Daedalus81 wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Anyone notice gk terms are 39 points while others are 23? Even with full smite thats bs

I think the 23 is a misprint.

SoT are 30. 34 with sword, which is 5 less than a GK termie with a force weapon.

yes better guns, better psy powers, more chaff utility, cheaper, don't they also have like a +4inv? And they get all of that for 5pts less, on an elite unit when GK termintors are suppose to be troops. The GK psychic powers better be super awesome in CA change.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The leaked points look...broadly good at first glance, a couple hear scratchers. Not sure why Loyalist termis are 23 and Chaos termis are 28ppm. Lots of stuff that needs help didnt get it, but some stuff did.

Looks like Demolisher cannons got a merciful price break of 20pts. Loving the decreased Daemon Engine points, looking forward to playing around with that.

Chimeras got a huge price break, a classic Multilaser/HB chimera went from 93pts to 73. Not quite as cheap as I think they should be but they're at least useable now. Devilfish are now a bit cheaper as well, glad to see that.

Was hoping to see Rhinos get a break too

Hydras and Armored Sentinels also got love, I'm a big fan of that. The Deathstrike is down 30pts but im still unsure of its utility. Vanquisher got a points break as did thr Exterminator but 5 and 8pts off respectively isnt gonna make them usable. Tank Commanders got a 25pt reduction, really? Shadowsword went up 20pts but I dont think thats gonna change much there.

Gaurd are actually the most imprtoved army IMO except maybe tau wins most improved. 70 point ghost keels is REALLY dumb and they are going to be spammed. 27 point crisis is and 15 point missle pods really good. Tank commanders down 25 points is maybe the biggest head scratcher though - they were already phenomenally good - command demolisher is now god mode LOL.

Don't sleep on the Asuryani. They got some pretty stellar drops across the board. More CWE units that can be fields means more potential for synergy...

Karol wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Anyone notice gk terms are 39 points while others are 23? Even with full smite thats bs

I think the 23 is a misprint.

SoT are 30. 34 with sword, which is 5 less than a GK termie with a force weapon.

yes better guns, better psy powers, more chaff utility, cheaper, don't they also have like a +4inv? And they get all of that for 5pts less, on an elite unit when GK termintors are suppose to be troops. The GK psychic powers better be super awesome in CA change.

I'm not making a claim on the overall benefits of TS, because there are a ton of layers there (your dreads are down 22 points and they still get spells - mine do not_. Just that the costs are pretty close. I still think you'll want IG CP helpers.

Better spells for sure. I hope GK get extra lores and more full smites on characters. SoT 4++ never comes into play, but they'll negate some AP on weaker weapons. Troops is a benefit. You also have far better protection from perils.

A small amount of terminators aren't great. A bucket of them is hard for lots of lists to deal with.

gendoikari87 wrote:
Anyone notice gk terms are 39 points while others are 23? Even with full smite thats bs

A GK Termie doesn't have any equipment options, 39 is probably the final point cost down from 43. Vanilla Marine Termies have to pay for their Power Fist and Stormbolter, so they'll probably be 34 ppm by the time you actually get them off the lot. GK probably needed a bigger drop than that I'll admit, but it's probably not quite the gak it looks like at first glance.

Edit: Wait, where are you seeing costs for GK stuff? If you're talking about the BoLs link they put GK Termies at 26 points base.

Dreadnaughts drop 10 points before equipment, Repentors drop 35ish. Both needed it, those are good.

I see no changes to Blood Claws or Grey Hunters, that doesn't bode well for basic Marines.

 Daedalus81 wrote:




Better spells for sure. I hope GK get extra lores and more full smites on characters. SoT 4++ never comes into play, but they'll negate some AP on weaker weapons. Troops is a benefit. You also have far better protection from perils.

A small amount of terminators aren't great. A bucket of them is hard for lots of lists to deal with.

Ok, they don't get new rules or spells in this CA. Well ++4 is better then ++5 for more points. You can't run a real bucket of GK termintors though. almost 400pts per squads means you will get maybe 2-3 squads, along draigo and NDKs. Some d2 units can blow them up really fast.

No base marine point change

Cultists costing more than Guardsmen

Chaos Termies more than Normal Termies

No Dark Eldar Changes

2 point storm shields

This has gotta be fake.

 Sir Heckington wrote:
No base marine point change

Cultists costing more than Guardsmen

Chaos Termies more than Normal Termies

No Dark Eldar Changes

2 point storm shields

This has gotta be fake.

It'd be a very elaborate fake. We'll know in just very a week

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 Galef wrote:

 Sir Heckington wrote:
No base marine point change

Cultists costing more than Guardsmen

Chaos Termies more than Normal Termies

No Dark Eldar Changes

2 point storm shields

This has gotta be fake.

It'd be a very elaborate fake. We'll know in just very a week

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Although it would be nice to see someone from the design team explain why they thought that eldar should be getting point drops on multiple units.

 Sir Heckington wrote:
No base marine point change

Cultists costing more than Guardsmen

Chaos Termies more than Normal Termies

No Dark Eldar Changes

2 point storm shields

This has gotta be fake.

It fits the narrative, Chaos are the bad guys, we're supposed to lose.

Does not have to be fake, but could very well be early version.

Just...alot of oddities, but bloodcrushers at codex price (as in, actually printed at same point cost) takes the cake.