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Lol Grey Knights are an option

 fraser1191 wrote:
Lol Grey Knights are an option

Well of course, and 6 people play in places where they dominate.

Looks right to me.

Tier 1: AM, CWE, DE, IK
Tier 2: DG, TS, Nids, Custodes, Ork hype?
Tier 3: Everything else

The wording of this poll probably doesn't produce accurate rankings within tier 3 but tier 1/2 armies look right. As a mono dex and as a soup dex DE is definitely number 1.

Karol wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Lol Grey Knights are an option

Well of course, and 6 people play in places where they dominate.

Or 6 trolls voted for them and the Starstriders, who you can't even make a legal 2k list with.

I voted GK as a joke. Because our codex is a joke.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I voted GK as a joke. Because our codex is a joke.

But this was not the point of the poll.

 wuestenfux wrote:
But this was not the point of the poll.

Classic Teuton.
I don't think one vote for a codex everyone knows is garbage will swing it.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I voted GK as a joke. Because our codex is a joke.

But this was not the point of the poll.

didnt you know? The point of every thread for Grey Knights players is to turn it into a whine about Grey Knights

 SHUPPET wrote:
didnt you know? The point of every thread for Grey Knights players is to turn it into a whine about Grey Knights

Absolutely.

People clearly don`t make difference between Craftworld`s codex and Ynnari. Excluding Ynnari and CW look underpowered.

 Toofast wrote:
Or 6 trolls voted for them and the Starstriders, who you can't even make a legal 2k list with.

Well, you can have your opinion about the people who voted GK or Starstriders.
But don't you DARE call the people that voted Gellerpox Infected trolls!

Note: more people voted Grey Knight than Dark Angels.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
didnt you know? The point of every thread for Grey Knights players is to turn it into a whine about Grey Knights

Absolutely.

Truely, the greatest of our father's sons


I wonder if in the future GW is going to added some new factions, like vaul machine to oppose the necron machines and ad mecha. Or arbites space marshalls.

Yep one thing the game is definitely lacking in is Aeldari and Imperium factions

 SHUPPET wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I voted GK as a joke. Because our codex is a joke.

But this was not the point of the poll.

didnt you know? The point of every thread for Grey Knights players is to turn it into a whine about Grey Knights

This can also apply to many SM players in general

 Billagio wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I voted GK as a joke. Because our codex is a joke.

But this was not the point of the poll.

didnt you know? The point of every thread for Grey Knights players is to turn it into a whine about Grey Knights

This can also apply to many SM players in general

It generally does, yes

 SHUPPET wrote:

 Billagio wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I voted GK as a joke. Because our codex is a joke.

But this was not the point of the poll.

didnt you know? The point of every thread for Grey Knights players is to turn it into a whine about Grey Knights

This can also apply to many SM players in general

It generally does, yes

Not me... I voted SM. Because voting for anything else would have been heresy..

Marin wrote:
People clearly don`t make difference between Craftworld`s codex and Ynnari. Excluding Ynnari and CW look underpowered.

Really feel of the forums many myths this is the one that needs to die.

The Eldar codex, without allies (even Eldar-based soup) is decent, but not overpowered. Without allies it consists of mainly a handful of really solid units. As a book, there's a load of crap which is questionable in the remotest of competitive environs which is a shame.

Sadly Codex Eldar in the competitive scene consists of a micro-codex:
-Dark Reapers
-Shining Spears
-Psykers
-Large Guardian units
-FIre Prisms.

The rest of the book is middling to poor, though some of the units are fun enough in a casual setting. I enjoy my Eldar, but there are some genuine turds in the book. Even as a casual player I struggle to justify 250 points on an Avatar, or ever fielding Storm Guardians, Support Weapons, etc.

 Elbows wrote:
The Eldar codex, without allies (even Eldar-based soup) is decent, but not overpowered. Without allies it consists of mainly a handful of really solid units. As a book, there's a load of crap which is questionable in the remotest of competitive environs which is a shame.

Sadly Codex Eldar in the competitive scene consists of a micro-codex:
-Dark Reapers
-Shining Spears
-Psykers
-Large Guardian units
-FIre Prisms.

The rest of the book is middling to poor, though some of the units are fun enough in a casual setting. I enjoy my Eldar, but there are some genuine turds in the book. Even as a casual player I struggle to justify 250 points on an Avatar, or ever fielding Storm Guardians, Support Weapons, etc.

And weave serpents, and Wright guard lists seem to score high in events from time to time. And their flyers are gods. Yeah only around 10 units in the codex are very good. I am assuming in the past eldar codex had more then 10 options that were meta defining in the past, for eldar to claim being under powered right now ? Or am I wrong here.

As a learning expiriance eldar players should maybe be made to download the GK codex and check what the word underpowered means, and if they still think their eldar are bad, how about playing 20-30 games as GK.

By the way I would love to have something like stormguardians or the support weapons in my codex. And the avatar can wreck my army in melee, when buffed and costs a lot less then a comperable NDK.

Who voted grey knights? I can only assume... Maybe people who don't play with FAQs or chapter approved and have been the victim of their old alpha strike in casual games? Or they have that one friend who IS really good and makes up for the GK meh-ness? Or they run an army that struggles with 3 dreadknight grandmasters?

Could be open play someone plays a napolenic era styled regiment. Las dudes in Ranks , few heavy weapons as artilery pices, no tanks, no ally. someone dropiing 5 GM NDKS with incinerators could be really unfun to face. Specially if the old deep strike rules.

There are, it seems 3 people who play against Necrons I need to seek out their opponents and throw myself down before them and beg them to take me on as student.

or alternatively, the Deceiver is having a cosmic laugh at my expense

Everyone jokes at GKs being on the list but I laughed at my poor, poor, Necrons even being an option.

Are eldar not on this list? Am I blind or do I just not recognize whatever they're being called nowadays?

Marin wrote:
People clearly don`t make difference between Craftworld`s codex and Ynnari. Excluding Ynnari and CW look underpowered.

Hard to respond to this without ignoring rule #1.

Mono CWE are VERY good.

Altiotoc and Ulthwe are both viable.

Top units-
Shinning spears (arguable the best unit in the entire game)
Farseers of multiple varieties (arguably the best psykers in the entire game)
Spirit seers (arguably the best supporting spells in the game)

Fire Prisms (linked fire stratagem is straight god mode)
Wave Serpants (Arguably the best vehicle in the entire game) (protecting your glass cannon infantry)
Crimson hunter Exarchs/ Hemlocks (arguably the best flyers in the game)
Dark Reapers (Arguably the best long range infantry in the game - even after being nerfed)

Stratagems (top teir - Deep strike practically any unit, on demand -1 to hit on almost any unit, hosts of other useful stratagems such as 4++ for gardians, +1 to hit for ulthwe gardians)

I really can't take anyone seriously that calls CWE underpowered.

Are we talking mono-dex here? 'cause mono Guard is not all that overwhelming, and mono-IK are a gimmick list at best.

Mono guard are very overwhelming. You arent playing against the right lists.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Marin wrote:
People clearly don`t make difference between Craftworld`s codex and Ynnari. Excluding Ynnari and CW look underpowered.

Hard to respond to this without ignoring rule #1.

Mono CWE are VERY good.

Altiotoc and Ulthwe are both viable.

Top units-
Shinning spears (arguable the best unit in the entire game)
Farseers of multiple varieties (arguably the best psykers in the entire game)
Spirit seers (arguably the best supporting spells in the game)

Fire Prisms (linked fire stratagem is straight god mode)
Wave Serpants (Arguably the best vehicle in the entire game) (protecting your glass cannon infantry)
Crimson hunter Exarchs/ Hemlocks (arguably the best flyers in the game)
Dark Reapers (Arguably the best long range infantry in the game - even after being nerfed)

Stratagems (top teir - Deep strike practically any unit, on demand -1 to hit on almost any unit, hosts of other useful stratagems such as 4++ for gardians, +1 to hit for ulthwe gardians)

I really can't take anyone seriously that calls CWE underpowered.

They call CWE underpowered because maybe they are comparing it to Dark Eldar. lol.

One of these days someone is going to actually add Sisters of Battle to a poll. I'm pretty sure the army is overlooked 99.9% of the time.

Lol. Index sisters are still better than quite a few codex armies too!