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Hi guys, after commenting on another thread, I was thinking about what would be needed to build a truly effective Primaris-only army. GW is pushing the narrative with "Primaris Chapters" but as it is now they don't have the model range to justify building it for real. The Assault companies would be basically empty save maybe Reivers, and they're not exactly trained for full frontal assault. The only mobility comes from Inceptors, which are relatively slow for a jet pack unit, or Repulsors, which act more as heavy support platform than true mobile units.

What would you want to see ? Right now I think it needs:

- Bikes, we'll probably have jet-bikes seeing as Cawl is in full modernisation mode;
- Assault Inceptors, a kind of heavy jetpack unit that is resilient and exclusively CC-orientated;
- Mobility options for Characters, their auras are useless if the units needing it are a mile away (looking at you Primaris Chaplain);
- Assault Primaris that can be transported easily, maybe with options for Storm Shields, power weapons and such. Basically CC Intercessors maybe ? Not in Gravis for sake of room in the Repulsor

What else would you like in your army ? It could be proper to some chapters but I doubt GW will go this way beyond upgrade packs like BA and DA got.

A new Primaris Lieutenant.

I personally would like to see a Primaris Rhino/Drop Pod. Some transport that isn't a flying fortress.

Also maybe the devastator equivalent. Primaris with Missile Launchers and such.

 Eldarsif wrote:
A new Primaris Lieutenant.

I personally would like to see a Primaris Rhino/Drop Pod. Some transport that isn't a flying fortress.

Now only if all those LTs were considered different for the Rule of Three... I want a 12 LT list, with ALL the LTs.

No way, we are going to get a Rhino/Razorback class vehicle with at least 3 Hurricane Bolters and 2 Missile Launchers on it to keep with the design of the previous Primaris transport.

We need more Lt's, certainly don't have enough of that.

My desires largely echo the opinions of the herd. Jetbikes, better assault troops and proper Devastators with weapon options. In that vein, I think Missile Launchers would fit in fine with the current design philosophy that seems to be driving Primaris. Limited variation in options, but weapons with flexible effectiveness. Missile Launchers, just give them the typical Krak/Frag profile options.

I think another support infantry type, an assault style unit, some sort of bikes (likely of the jet variety) and another vehicle.

However as they'll likely have been designed before 8th was released the new stuff may not be based on the shortcomings of Primaris in 8th.

Personally I believe that GW has made sculpting a new Lieutenant a part of the yearly review process for all of their sculptors...

I wouldn't mind new lieutenants if they actually added new options in the game too. For example how about a lieutenant with Reiver or Inceptor gear that could drop in with those units to support them?

These Lt. comments make me laugh, they make me sad and they make me angry all at the same time. GW please no more stupid Lts. STOP IT. GET SOME HELP.

As for what I would like:

1. A cheap transport with decent guns Landspeeder style. A nice flying transport that is similar to the landspeeders would be cool. It would fit with the high tech theme (anti grav fly) and have like one heavy onslaught cannon so it can make pew pew noises and pretend to help.

2. Bikers. Again, anti grav lance bikers with guns on the front to make pew pew noises with.

3. Heavy weapon squad using Primaris missile launchers or heavy bolters. Legitimate anti tank unit.

4. Shield using primaris kitted out with shotguns and melee weapons meant to be the bulwark of the line. Similar gameplay design to Bullgryn.

I would love for a pseudo-reiver elite variation with short range mega shootguns and grav chutes.

 Thadin wrote:
We need more Lt's, certainly don't have enough of that.

My desires largely echo the opinions of the herd. Jetbikes, better assault troops and proper Devastators with weapon options. In that vein, I think Missile Launchers would fit in fine with the current design philosophy that seems to be driving Primaris. Limited variation in options, but weapons with flexible effectiveness. Missile Launchers, just give them the typical Krak/Frag profile options.

Yeah what if they had one with like a power sword, that'd be amazing.

You know it's just going to be more Lt's because apparently every primaris marines goal in life is to become an Lt.

I realy hope they don't go jet bikes everyone has them what are primaris suddenly Aeldari now.

They need CC and mobility, they badly need mobile durable objective taking units.
Reviers need to go back to cawl's lab and actually not be allowed out until they have a point to exsist for.

 Thadin wrote:
We need more Lt's, certainly don't have enough of that.

My desires largely echo the opinions of the herd. Jetbikes, better assault troops and proper Devastators with weapon options. In that vein, I think Missile Launchers would fit in fine with the current design philosophy that seems to be driving Primaris. Limited variation in options, but weapons with flexible effectiveness. Missile Launchers, just give them the typical Krak/Frag profile options.

1 double hyphenated word:
Las-Eradicator-Cannons

Unit name:

Oblivinators


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Primaris Centurions with like 9 grenade launchers and 2 lastalons.

Point cost? 9000

In an ideal world they would walk back the whole primaris thing and just make the new model line true scale marines but that won't happen.

Hopefully they release some primaris stuff that is more akin to their classic marine equivalents like bikers, TEQs, Jump Pack equipped melee units, etc instead of making stupid stuff with little purpose and nonsensical rules because they model a guy with a grappling hook or whatever. Sadly hope is the first step on the road to disappointment and 8th edition has so far been a full sprint down that road.

They need heavy weapons, yes, ML

Agree, they need a sort of bike. And also a cheaper transport.
And AP for the Reivers cc weapon.

An assault squad with the option for power weapons and jump packs gets my vote.

Assault inceptors with Thunder hammers and stormshields and a 6" gun build in to the shield.

I just want something that will strike a bit of fear in my opponent. Cuttently there's nothing like that in the marine codex

I'm hoping for a CC unit that has Ap on its weapons and something fast. Or both in one unit

 Galas wrote:
I would love for a pseudo-reiver elite variation with short range mega shootguns and grav chutes.

Oh yes, I'd love a SWAT-style unit that just disembarks from a fast transport and blast the doors to eradicate everything in a building. When I hesitated about starting Tau it was almost only because of the idea of Breacher Squads in Devilfishes. Just make it more Astartes with S5 AP-1 12" shotguns and AP-1 Combat knives and we have truly fearsome Reivers.

I didn't like the idea of Primaris bikes at first glance. Now that I think about it though a Dawneagle without all the gothic scroll-work but the same basic silhouette...

T5, W3, 14" move, same Hurricane Bolter/Missile Pod weapon options, 50ish points or so? Yeah, I'd probably buy a squad of those.

I've said before and I'll say again that considering GW's design brief for Primaris the Centurions look more like a Primaris option than anything that belongs in the old marine line. Just lower the points on those things by the 30-35 points that they're overcosted and add the Primaris label to them.

The Newman wrote:
I didn't like the idea of Primaris bikes at first glance. Now that I think about it though a Dawneagle without all the gothic scroll-work but the same basic silhouette...

T5, W3, 14" move, same Hurricane Bolter/Missile Pod weapon options, 50ish points or so? Yeah, I'd probably buy a squad of those.

I've said before and I'll say again that considering GW's design brief for Primaris any real Heavy Support option they develop is likely going to come out looking like Centurion Devastators. Just lower the points on those things by the 30-35 points that they're overcosted and add the Primaris label to them.

They just need some more options for Hellblasters or Aggressors.

Imagine underslung Onslaught Gatling cannons on Hellblasters, or Aggressors with a shoulder mounted Lascannon.

 Stux wrote:

The Newman wrote:
I didn't like the idea of Primaris bikes at first glance. Now that I think about it though a Dawneagle without all the gothic scroll-work but the same basic silhouette...

T5, W3, 14" move, same Hurricane Bolter/Missile Pod weapon options, 50ish points or so? Yeah, I'd probably buy a squad of those.

I've said before and I'll say again that considering GW's design brief for Primaris any real Heavy Support option they develop is likely going to come out looking like Centurion Devastators. Just lower the points on those things by the 30-35 points that they're overcosted and add the Primaris label to them.

They just need some more options for Hellblasters or Aggressors.

Imagine underslung Onslaught Gatling cannons on Hellblasters, or Aggressors with a shoulder mounted Lascannon.

You've basically described a Centurion in full dakka-mode and one with Lascannons respectively, minus about 40 points.

I don't mind new officers if they had different wargear. Primaris power fists, combi weapons and chainswords.

The Newman wrote:

 Stux wrote:

The Newman wrote:
I didn't like the idea of Primaris bikes at first glance. Now that I think about it though a Dawneagle without all the gothic scroll-work but the same basic silhouette...

T5, W3, 14" move, same Hurricane Bolter/Missile Pod weapon options, 50ish points or so? Yeah, I'd probably buy a squad of those.

I've said before and I'll say again that considering GW's design brief for Primaris any real Heavy Support option they develop is likely going to come out looking like Centurion Devastators. Just lower the points on those things by the 30-35 points that they're overcosted and add the Primaris label to them.

They just need some more options for Hellblasters or Aggressors.

Imagine underslung Onslaught Gatling cannons on Hellblasters, or Aggressors with a shoulder mounted Lascannon.

You've basically described a Centurion in full dakka-mode and one with Lascannons respectively, minus about 40 points.

No... These are smaller models with less wounds and lower defensive stats.

I think what concerns me the most about the Primaris range is the lack of Terminator replacements. Aggressors and Gravis Armour don't pick up the slack as a heavy armour, breaching unit...or anything special. However, those kits are already 3 models for $40-50. A proper Terminator replacement will have to be beefier, chunkier, or larger than the Aggressors...and would thus be astronomically expensive (though likely fielded in threes, since that's a Primaris thing I guess).

I think what you'll see is a replacement for all of the battlefield roles of normal Space Marines but different enough to justify them till the old line is axed. You don't see carbon copies of existing classic marine units. GW needs an impetus for older collectors to buy more units - thus new units.

Centurion sized "mini dreadnought" Primaris which can deepstrike on big healthy jump packs could be an option - as mentioned above, perhaps jetbikes...a more simple grav transport, etc. It'll be stuff that takes marines in a new direction.

Another Lieutenant. Isn't it obvious?

On a serious note, a combat unit, either footslogging or jump pack would be great, shields and melee weapons please.

I actually don't like Space Marine bikes, so all the calls for Dawn Eagle bikes don't really mean much to me.

I'd like to see other weapon options beyond plasma variants, so las-weapons (las-incinerator variants) or bolt/melta ones would be cool.

Smaller, cheaper transports, more Rhino sized?

In general, just more options for Captains and Lieutenants.

 Stux wrote:

The Newman wrote:

 Stux wrote:

The Newman wrote:
I didn't like the idea of Primaris bikes at first glance. Now that I think about it though a Dawneagle without all the gothic scroll-work but the same basic silhouette...

T5, W3, 14" move, same Hurricane Bolter/Missile Pod weapon options, 50ish points or so? Yeah, I'd probably buy a squad of those.

I've said before and I'll say again that considering GW's design brief for Primaris any real Heavy Support option they develop is likely going to come out looking like Centurion Devastators. Just lower the points on those things by the 30-35 points that they're overcosted and add the Primaris label to them.

They just need some more options for Hellblasters or Aggressors.

Imagine underslung Onslaught Gatling cannons on Hellblasters, or Aggressors with a shoulder mounted Lascannon.

You've basically described a Centurion in full dakka-mode and one with Lascannons respectively, minus about 40 points.

No... These are smaller models with less wounds and lower defensive stats.

Not by very frelling much. 1 fewer wound, 3+ vs 2+, Aggressors are even at the same T value. And yes Centurions are chunkier, but they're only a little bit taller than an Intercessor. Granted Centurions are a lot more points, but they're also 25 more points than they have any right to be.

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 Elbows wrote:
I think what concerns me the most about the Primaris range is the lack of Terminator replacements. Aggressors and Gravis Armour don't pick up the slack as a heavy armour, breaching unit...or anything special. However, those kits are already 3 models for $40-50. A proper Terminator replacement will have to be beefier, chunkier, or larger than the Aggressors...and would thus be astronomically expensive (though likely fielded in threes, since that's a Primaris thing I guess).

I think what you'll see is a replacement for all of the battlefield roles of normal Space Marines but different enough to justify them till the old line is axed. You don't see carbon copies of existing classic marine units. GW needs an impetus for older collectors to buy more units - thus new units.

Centurion sized "mini dreadnought" Primaris which can deepstrike on big healthy jump packs could be an option - as mentioned above, perhaps jetbikes...a more simple grav transport, etc. It'll be stuff that takes marines in a new direction.

And again; a bigger, chunkier unit than Aggressors already exists, and the weapon loadout with the hurricane bolter is arguably where up-gunning Termies would land. I don't know how W3 T5 2+ compares to W2 T4 3+ 5++, but I can't imagine it's really that different with how lethal 40k is currently. What they lack is a good delivery method, but that's a problem the Aggressors share.

Yes, I do like the Centurion model a lot, so what.

Assault squad and rhino equivalents is all I can think of now, maybe a 2+ terminator equivalent, or just a full on Primaris terminator.

 Aaranis wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I would love for a pseudo-reiver elite variation with short range mega shootguns and grav chutes.

Oh yes, I'd love a SWAT-style unit that just disembarks from a fast transport and blast the doors to eradicate everything in a building. When I hesitated about starting Tau it was almost only because of the idea of Breacher Squads in Devilfishes. Just make it more Astartes with S5 AP-1 12" shotguns and AP-1 Combat knives and we have truly fearsome Reivers.

Exactly. BTW, Breachers in Devilfishes with the HQ wich nave I never remember is my favourite part about playing my tau (Besides stealth suits and Piranhas)

Fabius Bile Primaris. He cracks the code and suddenly boom, Khornate Reivers, Nurglefied Aggressors, Slanneshie Incepters, and Tzeentchian Intercessors.

Meaning, upgrade sprues for Primaris Kits. Chaos players will be forced to buy the Imperial versions, and the Chaotic upgrades.

 Crimson wrote:
I wouldn't mind new lieutenants if they actually added new options in the game too. For example how about a lieutenant with Reiver or Inceptor gear that could drop in with those units to support them?

my favorite Lt to date is the Space wolf Lt for just that reason, he's flexable eneugh to drop into a number of roles.