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In Black Legion the narrator suggests that the Black Legion keeps Horus' body on ice in the Vengeful Spirit.

It’a possible to do, but it’d be worse than bringing Sanguinius back, at least his body is whole, Curze’s head is lost in space somewhere.

phillv85 wrote:
It’a possible to do, but it’d be worse than bringing Sanguinius back, at least his body is whole, Curze’s head is lost in space somewhere.

The video never shows him die. Curze may be able to do that appear-as-anyone trick the Emperor does. How funny would it be for him to have spent the last 10,000 years running the Officio Assassinorum.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
It’a possible to do, but it’d be worse than bringing Sanguinius back, at least his body is whole, Curze’s head is lost in space somewhere.

The video never shows him die. Curze may be able to do that appear-as-anyone trick the Emperor does. How funny would it be for him to have spent the last 10,000 years running the Officio Assassinorum.

Current Grand master of Assassins is not named, but his predecessor, Fadix is no longer in that role after Girlyman dissolved the High Lords (and subsequently reformed them). For this to be true he would have to create a new identity for himself every several hundred years and ensure he was elected to that position too.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
It’a possible to do, but it’d be worse than bringing Sanguinius back, at least his body is whole, Curze’s head is lost in space somewhere.

The video never shows him die. Curze may be able to do that appear-as-anyone trick the Emperor does. How funny would it be for him to have spent the last 10,000 years running the Officio Assassinorum.

Current Grand master of Assassins is not named, but his predecessor, Fadix is no longer in that role after Girlyman dissolved the High Lords (and subsequently reformed them). For this to be true he would have to create a new identity for himself every several hundred years and ensure he was elected to that position too.

Yeah. Manipulating mortals is far beyond the ken of a primarch.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
It’a possible to do, but it’d be worse than bringing Sanguinius back, at least his body is whole, Curze’s head is lost in space somewhere.

The video never shows him die. Curze may be able to do that appear-as-anyone trick the Emperor does. How funny would it be for him to have spent the last 10,000 years running the Officio Assassinorum.

Current Grand master of Assassins is not named, but his predecessor, Fadix is no longer in that role after Girlyman dissolved the High Lords (and subsequently reformed them). For this to be true he would have to create a new identity for himself every several hundred years and ensure he was elected to that position too.

Yeah. Manipulating mortals is far beyond the ken of a primarch.

And instinctly recognizing his brother is not something a primarch is capable of either, eh?

Maybe Girlyman just let him be and put him on the back burner to deal with later. Who knows?

 Grimtuff wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
It’a possible to do, but it’d be worse than bringing Sanguinius back, at least his body is whole, Curze’s head is lost in space somewhere.

The video never shows him die. Curze may be able to do that appear-as-anyone trick the Emperor does. How funny would it be for him to have spent the last 10,000 years running the Officio Assassinorum.

Current Grand master of Assassins is not named, but his predecessor, Fadix is no longer in that role after Girlyman dissolved the High Lords (and subsequently reformed them). For this to be true he would have to create a new identity for himself every several hundred years and ensure he was elected to that position too.

Yeah. Manipulating mortals is far beyond the ken of a primarch.

And instinctly recognizing his brother is not something a primarch is capable of either, eh?

Maybe Girlyman just let him be and put him on the back burner to deal with later. Who knows?

Maybe Girlyman was tricked.

Didn't the Night Lords trilogy confirm that he's dead? Been a long time since I read it but I remember that none of the characters seemed to dispute that Curze was dead.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I was thinking it is perfectly possible to bring Cruze back

Gonnae no dae that.

Just, gonnae no.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Didn't the Night Lords trilogy confirm that he's dead? Been a long time since I read it but I remember that none of the characters seemed to dispute that Curze was dead.

Yep

In a night lords novel it was made very clear that the callidus who offed curze took his head with her.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I agree the dead should stay dead . . .

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Horus couldn't be brought back and although I'd love him to come back . . .

Wut?

. . .
Keep em dead. Keep them all dead.

In one of the heresy stories didn't fulgrim have ferrus cloned over and over trying to persuade him to rebel against the emperor could be there's one still on ice somewhere

As has been said it would kind of ruin the background and story arc of Curze. Him being killed by the assassin vindicated his world view and the existence he no longer wanted to be part of.

Hopefully there won't be any talk of reincarnation as it would cheapen that, at least he is convincingly dead rather lots of the Primarchs doing their "I'm going to walk around this corner, disappear and then be all mysterious for the next 10,000 years, WoooOOoo". Curze had no time for procrastination!

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:
Who the hell is Kruze? At least get the night haunter’s name right, it’s Konrad Curze. He’s better off being dead or brought back and being on the loyalist side.

Presumably the Daemon Prince Cruze is shorter than the others, and he's one of the forgotten two because of that sofa-jumpjng incident ...

Unremembered Empire had Cruze being taller than Girlyman and the Lion.

I am a Night Lords fanboy (clearly) and even I say Kurze should stay dead.

Death is nothing compared to vindication.

 Pacific wrote:
As has been said it would kind of ruin the background and story arc of Curze. Him being killed by the assassin vindicated his world view and the existence he no longer wanted to be part of.

Hopefully there won't be any talk of reincarnation as it would cheapen that, at least he is convincingly dead rather lots of the Primarchs doing their "I'm going to walk around this corner, disappear and then be all mysterious for the next 10,000 years, WoooOOoo". Curze had no time for procrastination!

They went out for a pack of smokes.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:
Who the hell is Kruze? At least get the night haunter’s name right, it’s Konrad Curze. He’s better off being dead or brought back and being on the loyalist side.

Presumably the Daemon Prince Cruze is shorter than the others, and he's one of the forgotten two because of that sofa-jumpjng incident ...

Unremembered Empire had Cruze being taller than Girlyman and the Lion.

No, that was Kurze. Now, since everyone knows explaining the joke makes it funnier, I was attempting a pun, or play on words, in that the OP wrote "Cruze" and I was referring to Tom Cruise.

Its true. Daemon Prince Cruze is not gay, and is in fact in love with a perpetual whose true name is Katie Holmes. Oprah is the Sensei whom he confessed to. The Emperor is about to be a grandma.

In other news, I actually WOULD like a story where Kurze kind of identity swapped with the assassin, killed her, took her place, and was masquerading around as her for a while. If he’s capable of making himself look different...why not? He never actually died, it truly looked like he did, and he’s been kicking it in DC comics for a while and now wants to come back home to wipe out the Chaos gods.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Its true. Daemon Prince Cruze is not gay, and is in fact in love with a perpetual whose true name is Katie Holmes. Oprah is the Sensei whom he confessed to. The Emperor is about to be a grandma.

In other news, I actually WOULD like a story where Kurze kind of identity swapped with the assassin, killed her, took her place, and was masquerading around as her for a while. If he’s capable of making himself look different...why not? He never actually died, it truly looked like he did, and he’s been kicking it in DC comics for a while and now wants to come back home to wipe out the Chaos gods.

This rings a bell, is it from 1st Edition Rogue Trader?

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Might as well revive Sanguinius and pretend the Heresy never happened.

Ecept that its impossible to bring back Sanguinius or impossible before GW write ridiculous fluff to make it possible. Horus couldn't be brought back and although I'd love him to come back I don't think he should because it would go completely against the lore, Cruze is another story though, you wouldn't have to go against the lore to bring him back.

The final battle between the emp and horurs has already changed alot. Horus having his soul destroyed could change too.

 Grimtuff wrote:
GoT's whole shtick is it kills off characters willy nilly.

Ah, another one of the lazy ways to develop a series - "If I keep killing off the characters, I never have to worry about character development!"

Danny76 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Its true. Daemon Prince Cruze is not gay, and is in fact in love with a perpetual whose true name is Katie Holmes. Oprah is the Sensei whom he confessed to. The Emperor is about to be a grandma.

In other news, I actually WOULD like a story where Kurze kind of identity swapped with the assassin, killed her, took her place, and was masquerading around as her for a while. If he’s capable of making himself look different...why not? He never actually died, it truly looked like he did, and he’s been kicking it in DC comics for a while and now wants to come back home to wipe out the Chaos gods.

This rings a bell, is it from 1st Edition Rogue Trader?

The best edition yet, according to one random person on Reddit, so you know it MUST be true!

 Dysartes wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
GoT's whole shtick is it kills off characters willy nilly.

Ah, another one of the lazy ways to develop a series - "If I keep killing off the characters, I never have to worry about character development!"

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 timetowaste85 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Its true. Daemon Prince Cruze is not gay, and is in fact in love with a perpetual whose true name is Katie Holmes. Oprah is the Sensei whom he confessed to. The Emperor is about to be a grandma.

In other news, I actually WOULD like a story where Kurze kind of identity swapped with the assassin, killed her, took her place, and was masquerading around as her for a while. If he’s capable of making himself look different...why not? He never actually died, it truly looked like he did, and he’s been kicking it in DC comics for a while and now wants to come back home to wipe out the Chaos gods.

This rings a bell, is it from 1st Edition Rogue Trader?

The best edition yet, according to one random person on Reddit, so you know it MUST be true!

On the topic of what I’d like to see.
More on Cypher, and perhaps the Lion through that..
Definitely more on Primaris, both back then and now.

All Legions status and whereabouts on the lead up to and including the Siege Of Terra. We will get some in those books, some Legions have had their wrap up books, but I feel several won’t get anything now. Leaving questions about them and several characters..

Danny76 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Its true. Daemon Prince Cruze is not gay, and is in fact in love with a perpetual whose true name is Katie Holmes. Oprah is the Sensei whom he confessed to. The Emperor is about to be a grandma.

In other news, I actually WOULD like a story where Kurze kind of identity swapped with the assassin, killed her, took her place, and was masquerading around as her for a while. If he’s capable of making himself look different...why not? He never actually died, it truly looked like he did, and he’s been kicking it in DC comics for a while and now wants to come back home to wipe out the Chaos

They actually caught up with that callidus assassin and killed her, so no, unless they write something to get around that.

Konrad Curze Conrad Kurze Konrad Kurze Conrad Curze Conrad Cruze Konrad Kruze Conrad Kruze Konrad Cruze Conrad Kurtz Thomas Cruise Mapother III Bruce Wayne.

Perhaps he is still alive and has just been assuming one of his many cryptic alter egos all of this time.