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 flandarz wrote:
If the leak about CSMs going to 11 ppm is true, then I don't see why Nobz can't be similarly priced.

We ain't gonna see no rules revisions for a few years, so while I'd also prefer better rules, I'll settle for more appropriately costed units until then.

Well 9th ed is rumored for next year. Along with 8.5 ed codexis. So there might be some room in there. But yes, I can't see CA changing the rules, just the points.

This stuff about wanting Orks to be tougher to feel cooler, and also not to have to have 100+ models is why I want to do an army with Nobz as the focus.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
This stuff about wanting Orks to be tougher to feel cooler, and also not to have to have 100+ models is why I want to do an army with Nobz as the focus.

Go for it man.

It won't stand up in competitive games but it is legal.

It's also a lot of painting, compared to Marines (if that's what you're used to).

 Tiberius501 wrote:
This stuff about wanting Orks to be tougher to feel cooler, and also not to have to have 100+ models is why I want to do an army with Nobz as the focus.

Samesies

I played a 1000 pts game vs Necrons and Dark Eldars this weekend. I had:

5 Nobz and a Runt in a Big Trakk w/ Supa-Skorcha
5 Nobz and a Warboss in a Big Trakk w/ Supa-Skorcha
5 Nobz and a Big Mek in a Big Trakk w/ Supa-Skorcha

We stopped counting victory points at turn 4, it was like 16-5 for me. They went for the kill instead.

Once all nobz are out of their ride, they die pretty fast... I got wiped out at the end of turn 6... Sad defeat, for sure.

It was still fun.

Ashkayel wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
This stuff about wanting Orks to be tougher to feel cooler, and also not to have to have 100+ models is why I want to do an army with Nobz as the focus.

Samesies

I played a 1000 pts game vs Necrons and Dark Eldars this weekend. I had:

5 Nobz and a Runt in a Big Trakk w/ Supa-Skorcha
5 Nobz and a Warboss in a Big Trakk w/ Supa-Skorcha
5 Nobz and a Big Mek in a Big Trakk w/ Supa-Skorcha

We stopped counting victory points at turn 4, it was like 16-5 for me. They went for the kill instead.

Once all nobz are out of their ride, they die pretty fast... I got wiped out at the end of turn 6... Sad defeat, for sure.

It was still fun.

This is it man. This experience is what it is to play (and face) Orks IMO.

We do really well early game but late game things just tend to fall apart. Well that's what happens with my Biker/Buggies list anyways. Eventually it seems that we just run out of steam. Many of my opponents have thought they had lost far, far too early (and ended up winning).

This is it man. This experience is what it is to play (and face) Orks IMO.

We do really well early game but late game things just tend to fall apart. Well that's what happens with my Biker/Buggies list anyways. Eventually it seems that we just run out of steam. Many of my opponents have thought they had lost far, far too early (and ended up winning).

Orks can’t really take too many punches — when you have T-shirt’s on, we’re just going to whittle down to the nub.

If our stuff became cheap enough, we could field enough to have resilience

I hate it when GW does these mid-late edition design paradigm changes, since it inevitably favours marines and makes any of the earlier books even worse on the power curve. It happened last time with the decurion and I have a bad feeling that history is going to repeat itself with the mono-faction "doctrines" they're setting up everyone to have now.

Well it's just marines so far where it's been big. Sister one is mild one hardly discouraging souping.

Orks might not even get one seeing they have 1 codex to use only...

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Ashkayel wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
This stuff about wanting Orks to be tougher to feel cooler, and also not to have to have 100+ models is why I want to do an army with Nobz as the focus.

Samesies

I played a 1000 pts game vs Necrons and Dark Eldars this weekend. I had:

5 Nobz and a Runt in a Big Trakk w/ Supa-Skorcha
5 Nobz and a Warboss in a Big Trakk w/ Supa-Skorcha
5 Nobz and a Big Mek in a Big Trakk w/ Supa-Skorcha

We stopped counting victory points at turn 4, it was like 16-5 for me. They went for the kill instead.

Once all nobz are out of their ride, they die pretty fast... I got wiped out at the end of turn 6... Sad defeat, for sure.

It was still fun.

This is it man. This experience is what it is to play (and face) Orks IMO.

We do really well early game but late game things just tend to fall apart. Well that's what happens with my Biker/Buggies list anyways. Eventually it seems that we just run out of steam. Many of my opponents have thought they had lost far, far too early (and ended up winning).

Is this against competitive lists? Or just in general what happens to Orks?

I like to play normal nobs in a bonebreaker.
-10 dudes, 1klaw,6-7 bchoppas, 2-3 dual choppa. 2 grot.

Even when the bonebreaker is not open toped, you can still use the stratagem of boarding action. It's a nice niche trick.

IMHO, Meganobs are too slow and not menacing enough. Only purspose is to teleport/jump them to hold objectives.

Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
I like to play normal nobs in a bonebreaker.
-10 dudes, 1klaw,6-7 bchoppas, 2-3 dual choppa. 2 grot.

Even when the bonebreaker is not open toped, you can still use the stratagem of boarding action. It's a nice niche trick.

IMHO, Meganobs are too slow and not menacing enough. Only purspose is to teleport/jump them to hold objectives.

Yeah, battlewagons with BC work pretty well IMO, my biggest issue is finding points for them. Those ~300 points could be spend on shooting that works starting T1, while the bonebreaka nobz usually need three turns to connect. Point drops might help here.

We didn't get any leaks yet, but stuff comparable to our buggies got 10-15 point drops across the board, so maybe that trend continues onto us. Also, with cultists and pox walkers dropping in points, we can safely assume that 4 points gretchin are off the menu.
I also really hope for point drops on rokkits, just like every year - if they don't drop, they'll be more expensive than combi-melta.

I prefer my Nobs in Trukks, personally, but each to their own. Evil Sunz Meganobz are deceptively rapid.


Ignore spoiler. I googled and got 2018 leaks, somehow.

I want to do 3 mobs of 10 Nobz in Bonebreakas. Seems really fun though very pricey.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I prefer my Nobs in Trukks, personally, but each to their own. Evil Sunz Meganobz are deceptively rapid.

I've done a bit of research and it looks as though we are the only faction not to have any points changes in Chapter Approved 2019. The points changes seem organised in alphabetical order and it goes from 'Necrons' to 'Officio Assassinorum' to 'Sisters of Silence' (on the same page).

I don't think I can link pics to the leaks here but just search "blood of kittens chapter approved leaks compilation" and you'll find it

What the actual feth?

MANs delivery is not their mayor problem, it's hiw little they kill with their PK hitting on 4+.

As for the CA, I think we will know something today. Don't panic.

Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I prefer my Nobs in Trukks, personally, but each to their own. Evil Sunz Meganobz are deceptively rapid.

I've done a bit of research and it looks as though we are the only faction not to have any points changes in Chapter Approved 2019. The points changes seem organised in alphabetical order and it goes from 'Necrons' to 'Officio Assassinorum' to 'Sisters of Silence' (on the same page).

I don't think I can link pics to the leaks here but just search "blood of kittens chapter approved leaks compilation" and you'll find it

What the actual feth?

MANs delivery is not their mayor problem, it's hiw little they kill with their PK hitting on 4+.

As for the CA, I think we will know something today. Don't panic.

Ignore my post, I was looking at leaks from last year!

Yes I am sometimes a Muppet.

 Jidmah wrote:

Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
I like to play normal nobs in a bonebreaker.
-10 dudes, 1klaw,6-7 bchoppas, 2-3 dual choppa. 2 grot.

Even when the bonebreaker is not open toped, you can still use the stratagem of boarding action. It's a nice niche trick.

IMHO, Meganobs are too slow and not menacing enough. Only purspose is to teleport/jump them to hold objectives.

Yeah, battlewagons with BC work pretty well IMO, my biggest issue is finding points for them. Those ~300 points could be spend on shooting that works starting T1, while the bonebreaka nobz usually need three turns to connect. Point drops might help here.

We didn't get any leaks yet, but stuff comparable to our buggies got 10-15 point drops across the board, so maybe that trend continues onto us. Also, with cultists and pox walkers dropping in points, we can safely assume that 4 points gretchin are off the menu.
I also really hope for point drops on rokkits, just like every year - if they don't drop, they'll be more expensive than combi-melta.

I find nobs fairly priced. PKlaws could use a drop, even bchoppas, but not the base nob.

Points sink comes.from the bonebreaker. 159 is too much. 130-140 is where it shoud be.

I feel like CSMs dropping to 11 ppm SHOULD mean that our Nobz should get a drop of 1-2 points too. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who'd argue that Nobz are more powerful than CSMs. +1 M, -2 A, -1 W, -2 BS, +1 Ld, and -1 Save is probably a wash, realistically. Nobz are better in CC, but CSMs are slightly more durable, faster, and much better at ranged.

Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I prefer my Nobs in Trukks, personally, but each to their own. Evil Sunz Meganobz are deceptively rapid.

I've done a bit of research and it looks as though we are the only faction not to have any points changes in Chapter Approved 2019. The points changes seem organised in alphabetical order and it goes from 'Necrons' to 'Officio Assassinorum' to 'Sisters of Silence' (on the same page).

I don't think I can link pics to the leaks here but just search "blood of kittens chapter approved leaks compilation" and you'll find it

What the actual feth?

MANs delivery is not their mayor problem, it's hiw little they kill with their PK hitting on 4+.

As for the CA, I think we will know something today. Don't panic.

There are a good deal of list with 20 MANZ that came top 4. How they deal with knights however. No idea

having being on the receiving end of a mass of Powerfists with my knight, trust me that many klaws can still wreck a knight's day.
Its only issue is its 4s all around, and 50-50 odds sometimes flops completely.

Is the Gorkanout/Morkanout worth taking?

Necron leaks just dropped. Does it make us officially the last ones?

I think Tau as well?

MANz are solid, though. Thrown in cover they are one of our few units that can actually take a punch without much support.
Their charge range is decent as evil suns too.

They clear chaff with their shootas, and 30 PK attacks is a threat to a lot of things, even if the 4+ to hit is less than ideal.

Issue is if they are worth 35 points. Maybe not. And less so in a marine dominant meta where people build to kill centurions.

Nauts are good, theyre not anything super crazy good but theyre pretty solid. I rarely play w/o one these days

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Nauts are good, theyre not anything super crazy good but theyre pretty solid. I rarely play w/o one these days

Sweet. And the last question and I’ll stop spamming this thread, if I were to go with a horde of 30 boyz, are they better with Shootas, Choppas or a mix?

Most folks field a mix. Generally 19 Choppas, 1 Choppa Nob, and 10 Shootas. But, if you're running Bad Moonz, you might get more mileage out of a full 30 Shootas.

I was thinking of a list 30 nobz in 3 trukks with runts for taking the wounds if they blow up, but I need those leaks!!!

Okay awesome, good to know. Now I’m just waiting on da leaks so I know how many sods I can chuck at the enemy’s big gunz.

The annoying bit for me is my local gaming store does D20 Discounts on blackfriday and i was wanting to grab some buggies.
And no leaks about ork stuff yet so if i want them, blind purchase. And that hasnt gone well for me in the past lol.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
The annoying bit for me is my local gaming store does D20 Discounts on blackfriday and i was wanting to grab some buggies.
And no leaks about ork stuff yet so if i want them, blind purchase. And that hasnt gone well for me in the past lol.

Do not buy anything! Just like you I was burnt many times this way ! Resist ! What you buy will get a two point drop at best, tyranid warrior style

Saw picture where guy wrote down point costs(or so he claimed). About 15-20 pts level point drops. 120 pts one went to 102 pts etc. That was if weapon prices didn't change. It was new base cost+weapons he calculated.

Not confirmed though. But not major. Stompa 800 pts before weapons, grots 3



For what it's worth. As said I can't quarantee it's reliable. Just post in ork FB group who claims his friend has the CA in his hand.