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I'm filling up slots for my evil sunz outrider detachment, and I'm not really sure about the viability of the new buggies.

I can take 3 warbikers and 1 nob with big choppa. which gives me:

97points
-9 wounds split among 4 bodies at toughness 5.
-12 strength 5 shots
-9 strength 4, d1 melee attacks
-3 strength 7, ap -1, d2 melee attacks

The Boomdakka gives:

100points
-8 Wounds at toughness 6
- Minus 1 to hit
- 3 strength 5, d1 shots
- 9 strength 5, ap -2, d1 shots
- 4 strength 5 melee attacks

The warbikers are obviously much better at melee combat, and the boomdakka narrowly beats the bikers in ranged; however, the warbikers lose strength for each biker that dies and the Boomdakka has a tougher platform with that -1 to hit. Boomdakka has no close combat potential.

I imagine my goal with the outrider is to tie up enemy gunlines, so I'm not sure what the Boomdakka's role is except as a bullet sponge. Can anyone sell me on this thing?

Is neither an option?

BDSW doesn't do much of anything well and just three bikers have the same issue. Now large biker blob is different but you have to build a list around it.

 buddha wrote:
Is neither an option?

BDSW doesn't do much of anything well and just three bikers have the same issue. Now large biker blob is different but you have to build a list around it.

I'm already putting in 2 MSU of warbikers with the defftrike. I'm debating on taking a 3rd MSU unit of bikes versus the BDSW. I'm taking a bonebreaker in a separate detachment, so my thinking is will it get too congested if I run that many units together within aura range of the trike, and whether or not I should take the BDSW as a shooting option that doesn't go into CC.

Bikes at least have role at screen Clearing they can do. But as you already have 2 3rd is not needed and the buggy is not good for points. Thus neither

tneva82 wrote:
Bikes at least have role at screen Clearing they can do. But as you already have 2 3rd is not needed and the buggy is not good for points. Thus neither

I still gotta fill the detachment at the end of the day. The ultimate list is mostly boys, and the outrider is kind of meant to harass until they get there, which is why I'm running the bikes.

Not that it helps a whole lot but you are forgetting some things about the BDSW, namely the burna bottles that ignore cover and the fact that it can explode on a 4+ for some potential mortal wound shenanigans.

Have you seen this model? How could you're inner ork say no to using that?

For that role I prefer Deffkoptas and Boosta Blastas than Snazzwagons and bikes.

ccs wrote:
Have you seen this model? How could you're inner ork say no to using that?

Have you seen the rules?

That's why.

ccs wrote:
Have you seen this model? How could you're inner ork say no to using that?

Use the model with the Kustom Bosta Blasta's datasheet. Simple.

While the Snazzwagon isn't completely terrible, it doesn't do anything other models can't do way better.

tneva82 wrote:

ccs wrote:
Have you seen this model? How could you're inner ork say no to using that?

Have you seen the rules?

That's why.

(shrugs) I take models I like & make them work.

cjmate8 wrote:
97points
-9 wounds split among 4 bodies at toughness 5.
-12 strength 5 shots

The Warbikes have TWO Dakkaguns each. That's 6 shots / bike, so 24 shots at S5.

ccs wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

ccs wrote:
Have you seen this model? How could you're inner ork say no to using that?

Have you seen the rules?

That's why.

(shrugs) I take models I like & make them work.

Which is a perfectly fine way to enjoy the game

 Jidmah wrote:

ccs wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

ccs wrote:
Have you seen this model? How could you're inner ork say no to using that?

Have you seen the rules?

That's why.

(shrugs) I take models I like & make them work.

Which is a perfectly fine way to enjoy the game

I haven't had the chance to study the Ork codex, but I would ignore tneva as he's just mad the codex isn't broken. So far it looks pretty good.