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So I've heard the Blood Angels doctrine described as largely based on decapitation strikes, applying overwhelming firepower (largely in the form of jump packing marines) to a single location to destroy an enemy's most vital assets, and I was wondering in what way that differed from Horus' speartip strategy, albeit a bit more committed ot aerial insertion. It would make sense that Sanguinius would fight similarly to Horus, since they fought alongside eachother for so long. I'm just wondering if the're anything I'm missing.
"The sword can be anklebiter as well as throatcleaver. We need no new weapons to defeat the sons of the hydra, merely new doctrines."
-Joriah Stendall, second Chapter Master of the Red Grail Crusaders
Rapid dominance doctrines werent exactly uncommon among the Legions. The Raven Guard, Alpha Legion and White Scars were others that used similar tactical approaches, albeit with wildly differing means of application.
Sterling191 wrote: Rapid dominance doctrines werent exactly uncommon among the Legions. The Raven Guard, Alpha Legion and White Scars were others that used similar tactical approaches, albeit with wildly differing means of application.
"Rapid Dominance Doctrine" is the entire point of Space Marines, albeit applied in different flavors based on legion. Marines are shock troops designed for that purpose.
It definitely favours the Legiones Astartes methods and time-tables for war, and leverages their 1:1 superiority vs their opponents. Remove the enemy's ability to coordinate their superior forces, and suddenly it's just a collection of inferior forces that can be picked apart piecemeal.
"Rapid Dominance Doctrine" is the entire point of Space Marines, albeit applied in different flavors based on legion. Marines are shock troops designed for that purpose.
Only if one ignores those Legions designed for entirely different strategic eventualities.
Danielle Rae wrote: So I've heard the Blood Angels doctrine described as largely based on decapitation strikes, applying overwhelming firepower (largely in the form of jump packing marines) to a single location to destroy an enemy's most vital assets, and I was wondering in what way that differed from Horus' speartip strategy, albeit a bit more committed ot aerial insertion. It would make sense that Sanguinius would fight similarly to Horus, since they fought alongside eachother for so long. I'm just wondering if the're anything I'm missing.
The Speartip thing always struck me as kind of odd, for the reasons others have pointed out. It just describes a strategy the Legions would almost all have been employing anyway - that's their primary purpose. Seemed a little pretentious for any Legion to give it a specific name, as if they invented the concept.
Danielle Rae wrote: So I've heard the Blood Angels doctrine described as largely based on decapitation strikes, applying overwhelming firepower (largely in the form of jump packing marines) to a single location to destroy an enemy's most vital assets, and I was wondering in what way that differed from Horus' speartip strategy, albeit a bit more committed ot aerial insertion. It would make sense that Sanguinius would fight similarly to Horus, since they fought alongside eachother for so long. I'm just wondering if the're anything I'm missing.
Speartips were navel movments, they were not exclusive to the Luna Wolves, they just preferred that way of fighting. The Wolves used a speartip against the Alpha Legion fleet.
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Danielle Rae wrote: So I've heard the Blood Angels doctrine described as largely based on decapitation strikes, applying overwhelming firepower (largely in the form of jump packing marines) to a single location to destroy an enemy's most vital assets, and I was wondering in what way that differed from Horus' speartip strategy, albeit a bit more committed ot aerial insertion. It would make sense that Sanguinius would fight similarly to Horus, since they fought alongside eachother for so long. I'm just wondering if the're anything I'm missing.
The Speartip thing always struck me as kind of odd, for the reasons others have pointed out. It just describes a strategy the Legions would almost all have been employing anyway - that's their primary purpose. Seemed a little pretentious for any Legion to give it a specific name, as if they invented the concept.
The speartip was a navel movement, not a droppod attack.
Naval how? It was an element manoeuvring directly to the enemy command, be it by storm bird or drop pod?
Its a naval engagement that moves in a spear to go through the defenses of another naval fleet. In Horus Rising they used a 'speartip' in order to get to the planet (false terra)
Spoiler:
In silence, tensed and ready to be unleashed, the speartip watched as the shuttle convoy bearing Maloghurst and his en-voys arced down towards the third planet. Surface batteries smashed them out of the heavens. As the burning scads of debris from Maloghurst’s flotilla billowed away into the atmosphere, the ‘Emperor’s’ fleet elements rose up out of the oceans, out of the high cloud, out of the gravity wells of nearby moons. Six hundred warships, revealed and armed for war.Abaddon broke obscurement and made a final, personal plea to the ‘Emperor’, beseeching him to see sense. The warships began to fire on Abaddon’s speartip.‘My commander,’ Abaddon relayed to the heart of the waiting fleet, ‘there is no dealing here. This fool imposter will not listen.’And the commander replied, ‘Illuminate him, my son, but spare all you can. That order not withstanding, avenge the blood of my noble Sejanus. Decimate this “Emperor’s” elite murderers, and bring the imposter to me.’‘And so,’ Loken would sigh, ‘we made war upon our brethren, so lost in ignorance.’IT WAS LATE evening, but the sky was saturated with light. The phototropic towers of the High City, built to turn and follow the sun with their windows during the day, shifted uneasily at the pulsating radiance in the heavens. Spectral shapes swam high in
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Delvarus Centurion wrote: Its a naval engagement that moves in a spear to go through the defenses of another naval fleet.
And you've got speartip moves for infantry, cavalry, tanks, any troop type that attacks. IoM tacticians also calls Marines a scalpel to the Imperial Guard hammer on account of them usually taking out key command parts of the enemy instead of bludgeoining the line until it collapses. Really, anything can be called a spear tactic as long as it has an element penetrating enemy lines.
Delvarus Centurion wrote: Its a naval engagement that moves in a spear to go through the defenses of another naval fleet.
And you've got speartip moves for infantry, cavalry, tanks, any troop type that attacks. IoM tacticians also calls Marines a scalpel to the Imperial Guard hammer on account of them usually taking out key command parts of the enemy instead of bludgeoining the line until it collapses. Really, anything can be called a spear tactic as long as it has an element penetrating enemy lines.
40k isn't contemporary warfare, any sources that state anything can be called such?
Actually I was wrong, was looking for more sources on the matter and found this:
"over the embers of his revel fires. The commander had won the field through the employment of his favourite, practiced strate-gy: the speartip thrust to tear out the throat. Ignoring the green-skin masses, which had outnumbered the crusaders five to one, the commander had struck directly at the Overlord and his command coterie, leaving the enemy headless and without direc-tion.The same philosophy operated here. Tear out the throat and let the body spasm and die. Loken and his men, and the war en-gines that supported them, were the edge of the blade un-sheathed for that purpose"
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