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@Bosskelot, agreed! Either a few pages back or the other thread on the same topic, I mentioned 4 attacks - necron characters shouldn't be combat monsters, but they are currently pathetic. When their role as support is a bit lack luster for the points it makes it all the more painful.

Kinda hoping that the lack of point drops for many of our other problem entries means a change in the FAQ... But probably unlikely. Still, ca2018 was better than most expected

I stand by my suggestion to make Gloom Prisms a wargear choice for Crpyteks and give all Gloom Prisms a flat -2 to Warp Charge rolls within 24"

I'm still legitimately surprised that Necron Warriors don't have Fearless by default. It'd fit the fluff of them (mostly mindless and fearless robots, compared to Immortals who have more brains), and it would be one hell of a buff.

Yeah, they have L10. But considering how the granting-fearless warlord trait is mandatory with warrior swarms, I think that points to an issue.

I like the gloom prism idea for Crypteks.

Also....i blew an opponent's mind when he found out they only had 1 melee attack. Overlords only have 3 is criminal. 4 would make a great deal more sense.

I'm fine with Overlords at 3 attacks. They only get a penalty with one weapon so it's fine.

I'm NOT cool with Destroyer Lords having a low WS3+ though.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm fine with Overlords at 3 attacks. They only get a penalty with one weapon so it's fine.

Yeah, Overlords having 3 attacks doesn't bother me.

What does bother me is that they don't have a ranged option with more than 12" range.

Could we not have an option to add a Gauss Blaster to the Warscythe, like Pariahs used to have?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm NOT cool with Destroyer Lords having a low WS3+ though.

Same.

When you think about it, a Cryptek with a cloak isn't really any better than a tech priest enginseer apart from having 4" more movement but costs a whopping 55 points more.

Cynista wrote:
When you think about it, a Cryptek with a cloak isn't really any better than a tech priest enginseer apart from having 4" more movement but costs a whopping 55 points more.

"But he makes your Immortals' RP activate on a 4+!"
"The ones you just wiped off the map?"

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm fine with Overlords at 3 attacks. They only get a penalty with one weapon so it's fine.

I'm NOT cool with Destroyer Lords having a low WS3+ though.

Well, in theory its because they can reroll 1s....like Space Marine characters, which have a WS of 2+.
GW can be dumb sometimes.

 Werekill wrote:
I'm still legitimately surprised that Necron Warriors don't have Fearless by default. It'd fit the fluff of them (mostly mindless and fearless robots, compared to Immortals who have more brains), and it would be one hell of a buff.

Yeah, they have L10. But considering how the granting-fearless warlord trait is mandatory with warrior swarms, I think that points to an issue.

I remember reading a take on Necrons and morale and how fleeing models represent models being strategically beamed back to the tombworld from a battle that is going unfavourably... but I don't really buy it.

It would be amazing if just generally, Necrons had fearless across the board. Even with the more sentient units like Lychguard, their core protocols would really prevent them from fleeing.

dapperbandit wrote:

 Werekill wrote:
I'm still legitimately surprised that Necron Warriors don't have Fearless by default. It'd fit the fluff of them (mostly mindless and fearless robots, compared to Immortals who have more brains), and it would be one hell of a buff.

Yeah, they have L10. But considering how the granting-fearless warlord trait is mandatory with warrior swarms, I think that points to an issue.

I remember reading a take on Necrons and morale and how fleeing models represent models being strategically beamed back to the tombworld from a battle that is going unfavourably... but I don't really buy it.

It would be amazing if just generally, Necrons had fearless across the board. Even with the more sentient units like Lychguard, their core protocols would really prevent them from fleeing.

What if you can choose to remove a weakened unit from the field to their tomb world to undergo repairs, and the leadership stat determines how many successfully teleport away?
Say during the morale phase you have a unit that's on the verge of being deleted. You can elect to immediately remove it and place it on the tomb world where it receives repairs (on a 4+ because come on, its a factory), but you still have to roll to see how many successfully withdraws before being destroyed.
I'm not sure how to go about it though.
Maybe you use the unmodified ld of 10, but you roll 3d6 and for every point over 10, you permantly lose a model as its destroyed by gunfire, self-destructs to prevent capture, experiences catastrophic teleportation failure, etc.

My take post CA is that Necrons are in a MUCH better place than they were before. The biggest issues though now is that we have a lot of issues popping through invulnerable saves. Outside of C'tans, we really don't have many ways to generate mortal wounds. However, every army needs a weakness and it isn't as prevalent as the weakness Tau have.

Our anti-tank is much better now that DDAs are way cheaper. They can put in a LOT of work, but yes it is very swingy.

All in all I feel we are now a solidly middle-tier army, very good for beginners and casuals who want to get into the game and learn to paint.