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Chapter Approved should come every month and we should be paying a LOT more for it.
   
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Pancakey wrote:
Chapter Approved should come every month and we should be paying a LOT more for it.


P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it. 
   
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 Wyzilla wrote:
 Frontline989 wrote:
Most of the Space Marine recruitment methods make no sense. With the number of casualties they suffer and drawing from a single chapter world they would not be able to keep up with the attrition.

Edit: Additiionally the length of time some of the Space Marine Chapter Masters have lived is ludicrously long in a setting of constant warfare agaisnst such excessively dangerous foes.



Most campaigns a Chapter is involved in will only incur a minor amount of casualties and maybe a couple fatalities at most. Where are you getting the idea that they're constantly bogged down in attrition?



Its war. People die, even genetically enhanced super heroes. If all their missions are against pacifying human insurgents sure I could see a couple casualties but against a Tyrannid swarm, Ork Waaagh!, or Chaos Warband each side is going to suffer casualties and the scale of the conflict is going to see an equal increase in the number of casualties.

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People often forget the scale of time. Like, theres often massive gaps in years and decades or even much more, between the big events you read about.

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 SHUPPET wrote:
Pancakey wrote:
Chapter Approved should come every month and we should be paying a LOT more for it.





In fact, I cannot wait until we have an offical “point subscription” service where I can pay every single day for points updates!!!! The golden age is almost here !!!
   
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Pancakey wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
Pancakey wrote:
Chapter Approved should come every month and we should be paying a LOT more for it.





In fact, I cannot wait until we have an offical “point subscription” service where I can pay every single day for points updates!!!! The golden age is almost here !!!

Alright im on board with that, but CA is currently $55. You want people to pay a LOT more than that, monthly? That's absurd. Even if I could afford it, plenty of others cannot. You'd immediately price people out of the hobby and rules. Points updates need to be cheaper not more expensive.

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 Frontline989 wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Frontline989 wrote:
Most of the Space Marine recruitment methods make no sense. With the number of casualties they suffer and drawing from a single chapter world they would not be able to keep up with the attrition.

Edit: Additiionally the length of time some of the Space Marine Chapter Masters have lived is ludicrously long in a setting of constant warfare agaisnst such excessively dangerous foes.



Most campaigns a Chapter is involved in will only incur a minor amount of casualties and maybe a couple fatalities at most. Where are you getting the idea that they're constantly bogged down in attrition?



Its war. People die, even genetically enhanced super heroes. If all their missions are against pacifying human insurgents sure I could see a couple casualties but against a Tyrannid swarm, Ork Waaagh!, or Chaos Warband each side is going to suffer casualties and the scale of the conflict is going to see an equal increase in the number of casualties.


It's almost like not every single battle is an epic setpiece against super rare factions that hardly ever fight.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
 Frontline989 wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Frontline989 wrote:
Most of the Space Marine recruitment methods make no sense. With the number of casualties they suffer and drawing from a single chapter world they would not be able to keep up with the attrition.

Edit: Additiionally the length of time some of the Space Marine Chapter Masters have lived is ludicrously long in a setting of constant warfare agaisnst such excessively dangerous foes.



Most campaigns a Chapter is involved in will only incur a minor amount of casualties and maybe a couple fatalities at most. Where are you getting the idea that they're constantly bogged down in attrition?



Its war. People die, even genetically enhanced super heroes. If all their missions are against pacifying human insurgents sure I could see a couple casualties but against a Tyrannid swarm, Ork Waaagh!, or Chaos Warband each side is going to suffer casualties and the scale of the conflict is going to see an equal increase in the number of casualties.


It's almost like not every single battle is an epic setpiece against super rare factions that hardly ever fight.



Kind of echoing what I said already but sarcasm notwithstanding when they do occur which is often SM will suffer casualties and the number will be higher the greater the threat. Reading the fluff as someone once said the end is extremely nigh so those types of engaguements happen quite regularly.



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 Frontline989 wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Frontline989 wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Frontline989 wrote:
Most of the Space Marine recruitment methods make no sense. With the number of casualties they suffer and drawing from a single chapter world they would not be able to keep up with the attrition.

Edit: Additiionally the length of time some of the Space Marine Chapter Masters have lived is ludicrously long in a setting of constant warfare agaisnst such excessively dangerous foes.



Most campaigns a Chapter is involved in will only incur a minor amount of casualties and maybe a couple fatalities at most. Where are you getting the idea that they're constantly bogged down in attrition?



Its war. People die, even genetically enhanced super heroes. If all their missions are against pacifying human insurgents sure I could see a couple casualties but against a Tyrannid swarm, Ork Waaagh!, or Chaos Warband each side is going to suffer casualties and the scale of the conflict is going to see an equal increase in the number of casualties.


It's almost like not every single battle is an epic setpiece against super rare factions that hardly ever fight.



Kind of echoing what I said already but sarcasm notwithstanding when they do occur which is often SM will suffer casualties and the number will be higher the greater the threat. Reading the fluff as someone once said the end is extremely nigh so those types of engaguements happen quite regularly.



They aren't common up until now They're incredibly rare and only became common in the wake of the 13th Black Crusade, which is why Primaris Marines are also becoming more common as they replace those lost to the constant attrition.

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Here’s mine!

The fluff as a whole takes it self way too seriously now and is way too complex. It takes a lot of the fun out of coming up with self made chapters and sub factions etc. Especially with how neckbeardy some fans get.

4th edition is the best edition and this is 100% definitely not a nostalgic view.


The Horus Heresy should never have been fleshed this much but the miniatures look amazing.

Imperial knights and models their size are an abomination and way too common to be interesting now, the baneblade kit started us on a dark path.
   
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Templarted wrote:
4th edition is the best edition and this is 100% definitely not a nostalgic view.


I might agree with that, actually. 4th Ed was excellent.

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I'd rather play against a pure Tau gun line with foot slogging index orks than pit anything against a guard army. I find them, boring, flat and with absolutely no satisfaction when you inevitably shred them.
Definutely not a fan of the faction, I feel that it could evaporate and no one would either notice, or care, apart from competitive soup players. In the sci-fi fantasy buffet of 40k, Guard are the rice cake, or bread stick, maybe with a plain chick-pea dip.

They must be soul destroying to have to paint as well.

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 r_squared wrote:
I'd rather play against a pure Tau gun line with foot slogging index orks than pit anything against a guard army. I find them, boring, flat and with absolutely no satisfaction when you inevitably shred them.
Definutely not a fan of the faction, I feel that it could evaporate and no one would either notice, or care, apart from competitive soup players. In the sci-fi fantasy buffet of 40k, Guard are the rice cake, or bread stick, maybe with a plain chick-pea dip.

They must be soul destroying to have to paint as well.


How about my crazy armoured assault style? Demolishers, valkyries, advancing infantry, outflanking veterans?

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"Thin your paints"

Can be good advice, but I've literally seen it used when someone has posted a picture of a model painted with only washes. I'm pretty sure it wasn't said ironically.


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"Consistency of milk"

Like who has really pushed milk around on their palette?

And which milk?

I'm guessing it depends on what you want to paint:

Skimmed for glazes/washes

semi for layers

full for base

cream for drybrush

double for texture painting bases.

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Templarted wrote:
...Imperial knights and models their size are an abomination and way too common to be interesting now, the baneblade kit started us on a dark path.


Don't forget the upturned trashcan that is the Stompa. Too big, crap rules, and one pointless, unweildly and unecessarily ugly model. If they ever cost it to reflect it's actual worth and we see more appear on the table, it'll be a dark day.

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 Sir Heckington wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Sir Heckington wrote:
Ah. Misread you. I got ya.

Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

I'm in agreement with the Loyalist Scum needing to be rolled into the Vanilla codex (I've even proposed how for the Angels but Wolves need more work), but it would be significantly harder to bring Thousand Sons and Death Guard into the fold, especially when we have supposed new books for the other Cult legions AND Black Legion.


Easy. Every Chapter/Legion should get a few unique units. Iron Hands should have Gorgon Terminators, Medusan Immortals and Iron Fathers ect. The marks should do enough to make up for the lost of the codex, and beastmen should be rolled into the Lost and the damned dex, with TS giving them the option to borrow some.

I mean I AM in agreement with you. I'm just saying CSM is more a fickle situation as they added a LOT to both those books, moreso than even Space Wolves.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 Sir Heckington wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Sir Heckington wrote:
Ah. Misread you. I got ya.

Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

I'm in agreement with the Loyalist Scum needing to be rolled into the Vanilla codex (I've even proposed how for the Angels but Wolves need more work), but it would be significantly harder to bring Thousand Sons and Death Guard into the fold, especially when we have supposed new books for the other Cult legions AND Black Legion.


Easy. Every Chapter/Legion should get a few unique units. Iron Hands should have Gorgon Terminators, Medusan Immortals and Iron Fathers ect. The marks should do enough to make up for the lost of the codex, and beastmen should be rolled into the Lost and the damned dex, with TS giving them the option to borrow some.

I mean I AM in agreement with you. I'm just saying CSM is more a fickle situation as they added a LOT to both those books, moreso than even Space Wolves.


Oh for sure, and GW isn't good with fickle, I think it can be done though.

Maybbbe just not by GW.

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 Trickstick wrote:
 r_squared wrote:
I'd rather play against a pure Tau gun line with foot slogging index orks than pit anything against a guard army. I find them, boring, flat and with absolutely no satisfaction when you inevitably shred them.
Definutely not a fan of the faction, I feel that it could evaporate and no one would either notice, or care, apart from competitive soup players. In the sci-fi fantasy buffet of 40k, Guard are the rice cake, or bread stick, maybe with a plain chick-pea dip.

They must be soul destroying to have to paint as well.


How about my crazy armoured assault style? Demolishers, valkyries, advancing infantry, outflanking veterans?


Fine, if you insist. But only if we can ingest mild hallucigens washed down with rip it energy drinks.

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 Trickstick wrote:
We know that places keep stores of geneseed to create new chapters or backup current ones. I think that these "stores" may be a bit more grimdark than people are assuming.


Like the old "test bed slaves" bit?

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 r_squared wrote:
I feel that it could evaporate and no one would either notice, or care, apart from competitive soup players.
They must be soul destroying to have to paint as well.


While the rest is in fact your opinion, these two lines are absolutely false

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 Bobthehero wrote:
 r_squared wrote:
I feel that it could evaporate and no one would either notice, or care, apart from competitive soup players.
They must be soul destroying to have to paint as well.


While the rest is in fact your opinion, these two lines are absolutely false


Guard is probably one of the most played factions at the end of the day.

Why? Because humans can relate, we are humans, and the badassery of the guardsmen that stand in the face of Daemons, Chaos Space Marines, Mutated Cultists and Xenos is undeniable.

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 r_squared wrote:
I'd rather play against a pure Tau gun line with foot slogging index orks than pit anything against a guard army. I find them, boring, flat and with absolutely no satisfaction when you inevitably shred them.
Definutely not a fan of the faction, I feel that it could evaporate and no one would either notice, or care, apart from competitive soup players. In the sci-fi fantasy buffet of 40k, Guard are the rice cake, or bread stick, maybe with a plain chick-pea dip.

They must be soul destroying to have to paint as well.
only if you insist on making them boring or particularly modern-military-ish. You can take any human faction concept or culture from anything anywhere, short of power armor basically, and make it work within the established fluff background of the Imperial Guard, especially if you look outside the basic plastic model lines (which admittedly are rather boring)

In the fluff, they also serve as an important fundamental reference point from which readers can gauge the rest of he setting from a perspective they can somewhat identify with.

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Pancakey wrote:
Chapter Approved should come every month and we should be paying a LOT more for it.

Activate the cyber mastiffs, load the heavy flamers with irradiated prometheum, pray over your holders, perform the ritual of lubrication with sacred oils, have the preachers bless and annoint our armor, affix the purity seals and begin the littanies of righteous hatred, brothers. We have a particularly vile and odious heretic to track down and purge.

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 Sir Heckington wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 Sir Heckington wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Sir Heckington wrote:
Ah. Misread you. I got ya.

Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

I'm in agreement with the Loyalist Scum needing to be rolled into the Vanilla codex (I've even proposed how for the Angels but Wolves need more work), but it would be significantly harder to bring Thousand Sons and Death Guard into the fold, especially when we have supposed new books for the other Cult legions AND Black Legion.


Easy. Every Chapter/Legion should get a few unique units. Iron Hands should have Gorgon Terminators, Medusan Immortals and Iron Fathers ect. The marks should do enough to make up for the lost of the codex, and beastmen should be rolled into the Lost and the damned dex, with TS giving them the option to borrow some.

I mean I AM in agreement with you. I'm just saying CSM is more a fickle situation as they added a LOT to both those books, moreso than even Space Wolves.


Oh for sure, and GW isn't good with fickle, I think it can be done though.

Maybbbe just not by GW.

With that said, if GW continues with how unique they made Death Guard and Thousand Sons with the other two Cult Legions, I wouldn't mind them being separate.

However, the other Legions need a little bit of overhaul with like 3 units too.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

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BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Hmm let's see:

Allies are the single worst thing that has happened to the game in it's entire history.

The Horus Heresy game should never have been made.

ITC is ultimately a net negative for the game.

Lots of tournament players use loaded dice, either intentionally or unintentionally.

40K should go to 100% digital rules with included army builder and monthly updates.

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Templarted wrote:


The fluff as a whole takes it self way too seriously now and is way too complex. It takes a lot of the fun out of coming up with self made chapters and sub factions etc. Especially with how neckbeardy some fans get.


That's a by-product of the things I previously mentioned of a certain subsect of players nowadays only getting their background from certain gakky Youtube shows and 1d4Chan. They're not getting "Neckbeardy", they're just frustrated that people don't read the background correctly then perpetuate it as truth (HURR DURR Abby the armless is a failure! I'm so fething funny! ) Plus, historically speaking custom armies have burned people in the past with them being shoehorned in and Mary Sues. From Dakka's own history we have the Pan Fo, who will be reviled(sic) and THE POLICE armed with their Bottlers and Frog grenades. For every one gem of a custom army you get scores of SM armies in Football helmets and female SM where in each case they think it's the most original idea in the world and they're the first to do it.

 r_squared wrote:
I'd rather play against a pure Tau gun line with foot slogging index orks than pit anything against a guard army. I find them, boring, flat and with absolutely no satisfaction when you inevitably shred them.
Definutely not a fan of the faction, I feel that it could evaporate and no one would either notice, or care, apart from competitive soup players. In the sci-fi fantasy buffet of 40k, Guard are the rice cake, or bread stick, maybe with a plain chick-pea dip.


"Poor boring predictable IG. If they were a book they'd be two books. If they were a spice they'd be flour."

nareik wrote:
"Thin your paints"

Can be good advice, but I've literally seen it used when someone has posted a picture of a model painted with only washes. I'm pretty sure it wasn't said ironically.


The "Cult of Duncan" in full effect. As I said earlier- it's homogenized the painting scene, these are guidelines rather than rules but everyone follows them slavishly because "Duncan said so". It's like they're afraid to experiment and want someone else to do the thinking for them. A recent example I saw was a guy who had painted some Poxwalkers and posted them to Reddit.The guy had mistakenly thinned Nurgle's Rot as "Duncan sez thin yer paints!" (plus there were still the inevitable "thin your paints" comments...). As anyone will know who has used NR, it should be used neat out of the pot (though it can be thinned, to add a slight green tint) as it is far less opaque then when it's applied.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
Templarted wrote:


The fluff as a whole takes it self way too seriously now and is way too complex. It takes a lot of the fun out of coming up with self made chapters and sub factions etc. Especially with how neckbeardy some fans get.


That's a by-product of the things I previously mentioned of a certain subsect of players nowadays only getting their background from certain gakky Youtube shows and 1d4Chan. They're not getting "Neckbeardy", they're just frustrated that people don't read the background correctly then perpetuate it as truth (HURR DURR Abby the armless is a failure! I'm so fething funny! ) Plus, historically speaking custom armies have burned people in the past with them being shoehorned in and Mary Sues. From Dakka's own history we have the Pan Fo, who will be reviled(sic) and THE POLICE armed with their Bottlers and Frog grenades. For every one gem of a custom army you get scores of SM armies in Football helmets and female SM where in each case they think it's the most original idea in the world and they're the first to do it.


To be honest my fifth point was going to be that most custom chapters and sub factions are horrendous. Make it for a cool paint sceme or interesting background. But people getting annoyed about Armies not matching up to fluff is the stupidest thing ever especially as lots of BL authors don’t care. Females space marine armies are the most boring concept ever now. I’ve only ever seen one person do it and it was a guy who said his chapter triggered people, he ended up losing it at a guy who kept calling them slaanesh marines. Also two many custom chapters appear in some variation of the paints from the starter sets plus on other, with the inevitable ultramarine unit included
   
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Ah, I get ya now. Personally I've never come across the ol' rivet counters in non-historical gaming but I'm sure they exist.

Custom chapters and the ilk are fine, but to a limit. It's when people start creating their own rules and background that the line gets crossed and into eye-rolling territory because IME the result is never good.


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