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Sisters of Battle having "boob armor" is completely fine and they should have it as it's part of their art style.
(No discussion allowed)

Space Marines are the most boring faction in the entire game.

Removal of blast templates was a mistake. Deathstars are still here, they are just done differently.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

The most toxic elements of the players are:

1- the neckbeards that do nothing but whine about what other people like
2- the neckbeards that try to turn every 40k discussion into some kind of activist lecture
3- the neckbeards that don't wash themselves and their clothing
4- the neckbeards that 'quit after third edition' and are still around complaining
5- the neckbeards that whine about every release because it's not something they play
6- the neckbeards that call people 'incels' but are also incels
7- the neckbeards that always bring up squats (and never had them)
8- the neckbeards that always bring up Sisters of Battle (and never had them)
9- the neckbeards that scream about how Horus Heresy is a better game
10- the neckbeards that religiously defend Spikeybits and Bell of Lost Souls

Your list is missing 'Gamers who refer to people with different opinions as 'Neckbeards'...

 insaniak wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

The most toxic elements of the players are:

1- the neckbeards that do nothing but whine about what other people like
2- the neckbeards that try to turn every 40k discussion into some kind of activist lecture
3- the neckbeards that don't wash themselves and their clothing
4- the neckbeards that 'quit after third edition' and are still around complaining
5- the neckbeards that whine about every release because it's not something they play
6- the neckbeards that call people 'incels' but are also incels
7- the neckbeards that always bring up squats (and never had them)
8- the neckbeards that always bring up Sisters of Battle (and never had them)
9- the neckbeards that scream about how Horus Heresy is a better game
10- the neckbeards that religiously defend Spikeybits and Bell of Lost Souls

Your list is missing 'Gamers who refer to people with different opinions as 'Neckbeards'...

Gotta agree there. I also think the word “toxic” is overused and doesn’t sound cool anymore.

Unpopular theory:
There were times in the last 3 editions when vanilla Marines were *not* bottom tier.

 insaniak wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

The most toxic elements of the players are:

1- the neckbeards that do nothing but whine about what other people like
2- the neckbeards that try to turn every 40k discussion into some kind of activist lecture
3- the neckbeards that don't wash themselves and their clothing
4- the neckbeards that 'quit after third edition' and are still around complaining
5- the neckbeards that whine about every release because it's not something they play
6- the neckbeards that call people 'incels' but are also incels
7- the neckbeards that always bring up squats (and never had them)
8- the neckbeards that always bring up Sisters of Battle (and never had them)
9- the neckbeards that scream about how Horus Heresy is a better game
10- the neckbeards that religiously defend Spikeybits and Bell of Lost Souls

Your list is missing 'Gamers who refer to people with different opinions as 'Neckbeards'...

I ranked that just below "people who think 'not taking a shower, whining non-stop, and behaving irrationally' is the same thing as 'disagreeing about a matter of preference' and it didn't make the list, either.

EDIT: I don't mean 'matters of preference' and 'having a different opinion'.

I mean, let me clarify:

-People who won't quit bringing up Squats and Sisters? Yeah, that gets annoying. People screaming about them non-stop. GW could release a statement about Duncan's mother being in the Hospital, or some kind of Charity drive, or a new fantasy battle Ogre and these guys come in screaming about how terrible GW is for not giving them their squats or sisters. And they're usually the people who've never even played with those units, or even seen them. Yeah, you can think they're cool and never have owned them- but not to this degree.

-Horus Heresy IMHO is quite honestly a more balanced game. However, I despised the community as much as I enjoy the game, so I went back to 40k. Still doesn't stop those seldom HH players from showing up in every discussion about 40k to tell us how stupid we are for enjoying something that more than 5 people in town are playing.

-Spikey Bits and BOLS are ran by scumbags. Don't defend scum.

Not Online!!! wrote:


I can agree with you, albeit do you regard raptors as good models or bad?

Harkon is imo just terrible, and DG is ehhhh. (DG really depends on how they are painted.)

Raptors are.... not great. I realize the DV Chosen could be considered just as spikey as raptors, but the difference lies in spike distribution and proportion. DV Chosen have a nice variety to their shape design whereas the raptors are largely covered in tons of uniformly sized, uniformly distributed spikes which essentially adds a layer of "fuzziness" to their silhouettes. The posing is also still an issue for me but at least they're not as squat-looking as Haarken. Proportionally the raptors look much better than Haarken.

I think it has to do with the length and thickness of the thighs. Haarken's thighs are squat barrel shapes that flow directly into a pair of equally squat barrel shapes that form the lower legs. Raptors and old marines tend to have more tapered thighs and more flared ankles which produces a nice downward sweep that is more visually pleasing and helps marines feel like their feet are firmly planted in the ground.

New marines just have so much... chonk. I don't know how else to put it. Old marines have proportions more like a linebacker. Super broad shoulders in contrast to relatively tapered legs. Someone who can run fast but will still barrel through a concrete wall. The new BSF CSM just look very... round.

I know this is the "Unpopular Opinion Thread", and not the "Here's How I Disagree With Your Unpopular Opinion Thread", but:

Hawky wrote:I'd discontinue whole Catachan range and replace it with some other regiment. They did not aged well, imho.

Over my dead body, the Rambos are awesome!

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Blanchitsu models look like they smell awful.

I think that's a point in their favor. Which other models are so evocative of a certain aesthetic that they provoke an olfactory response?

 Luciferian wrote:

I think that's a point in their favor. Which other models are so evocative of a certain aesthetic that they provoke an olfactory response?

A picture of cat feces in a litterbox provokes an olfactory response, too- and I'm not really sure that's a good quality to share. I get it, it's a manner of preference and an art style. But it's not mine and the few Blanchitsu models I've seen in person just didn't look like something I wanted to touch.

Again, you're just cementing my opinion of why they're so great

 Luciferian wrote:
Again, you're just cementing my opinion of why they're so great

LMAO, I understand where you're coming from, man. I get it.

But, I suppose I like a bit of a... cleaner look? I mean, something gross like Poxwalkers and zombies would be perfect for Blanchitsu. Also, industrial terrain and such. But when I've seen it done to guardsmen, Marines, and eldar... it just looks really, really bad IMHO.

I guess that's what I'm trying to say. Plus, much of the Blanchitsu crowd is outright hostile in =][= gaming groups, if you're not playing the game to their standards the way they think it should be played.

 insaniak wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

The most toxic elements of the players are:

1- the neckbeards that do nothing but whine about what other people like
2- the neckbeards that try to turn every 40k discussion into some kind of activist lecture
3- the neckbeards that don't wash themselves and their clothing
4- the neckbeards that 'quit after third edition' and are still around complaining
5- the neckbeards that whine about every release because it's not something they play
6- the neckbeards that call people 'incels' but are also incels
7- the neckbeards that always bring up squats (and never had them)
8- the neckbeards that always bring up Sisters of Battle (and never had them)
9- the neckbeards that scream about how Horus Heresy is a better game
10- the neckbeards that religiously defend Spikeybits and Bell of Lost Souls

Your list is missing 'Gamers who refer to people with different opinions as 'Neckbeards'...

Oh, you beat me to the punch. It's the godwin's law of nerddom. Someone has a difference of opinion to me, eventually he'll get called a "Neckbeard" because the word has lost all meaning and every nerd wants to be totes "not like other nerds".

 Grimtuff wrote:

Oh, you beat me to the punch. It's the godwin's law of nerddom. Someone has a difference of opinion to me, eventually he'll get called a "Neckbeard" because the word has lost all meaning and every nerd wants to be totes "not like other nerds".

Not taking a shower isn't a "difference of opinion"

Whining non-stop isn't a "difference of opinion"

Screaming that people are stupid for not enjoying 30k is not a "difference of opinion"

And yes, I am exponentially a better person than anyone who does any of the above.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Oh, you beat me to the punch. It's the godwin's law of nerddom. Someone has a difference of opinion to me, eventually he'll get called a "Neckbeard" because the word has lost all meaning and every nerd wants to be totes "not like other nerds".

Not taking a shower isn't a "difference of opinion"

Whining non-stop isn't a "difference of opinion"

Screaming that people are stupid for not enjoying 30k is not a "difference of opinion"

And yes, I am exponentially a better person than anyone who does any of the above.

Cherry picking examples that support what you said does not change the full quote is there for everyone to see. Calling people "neckbeards" for liking things you don't like is childish and it's like you've run out of insults. Just like with Godwin's law.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Cherry picking examples that support what you said does not change the full quote is there for everyone to see. Calling people "neckbeards" for liking things you don't like is childish and it's like you've run out of insults. Just like with Godwin's law.

I chose 'neckbeards' because the forum doesn't allow me to use more appropriate and accurate terms.

Stop acting like it's an ethnic slur.

Show me on the post which of them hurt you, because as I've always said- "Blindly cast a stone at the swine pen, and the one that ends up squealing is the one you hit".

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

I chose 'neckbeards' because the forum doesn't allow me to use more appropriate and accurate terms.

Stop acting like it's an ethnic slur.

I'm not. Stop putting words in my mouth. It's a tired phrase that says more about the person saying it as they all of a sudden want to tar other nerds as the worst kind of nerd because they're "not like other g̶i̶r̶l̶s̶ nerds"

You know what it means, you know what it describes. Someone who doesn't like 40k is not; by definition, a "neckbeard".

At first he was like:

 Grimtuff wrote:

I'm not. Stop putting words in my mouth....

But then he was like:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Someone who doesn't like 40k is not; by definition, a "neckbeard".

At no point did I even allude to people not liking 40k as being 'neckbeards'.

I don't know particularly where you drew that from. I thought I was rather clear about the worst types of people.

I swear, one of my friends has a mentally disabled uncle that screamed the N-word in a store full of black people and the outrage was only slightly worse than yours.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
At first he was like:

 Grimtuff wrote:

I'm not. Stop putting words in my mouth....

But then he was like:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Someone who doesn't like 40k is not; by definition, a "neckbeard".

At no point did I even allude to people not liking 40k as being 'neckbeards'.

I don't know particularly where you drew that from. I thought I was rather clear about the worst types of people.

I swear, one of my friends has a mentally disabled uncle that screamed the N-word in a store full of black people and the outrage was only slightly worse than yours.

It's almost like you're turning this into some absurd activist lecture. "Bro".

Dai wrote:
It's almost like you're turning this into some absurd activist lecture. "Bro".

"Bro", I'm not sure where you're getting this, but if you met the criteria I mentioned earlier, then I hope you don't think I have any reason at all to apologize or retract the statement.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

I chose 'neckbeards' because the forum doesn't allow me to use more appropriate and accurate terms.
.

Go you honestly not see the problem with complaining about 'toxicity' while simultaneously insulting people?

 insaniak wrote:
Go you honestly not see the problem with complaining about 'toxicity' while simultaneously insulting people?

If me disliking any of those things is 'toxic' to the people who exhibit those behaviors, then I hope it's thorough and excruciating in the toxicity.

I fail to see how literally any of those behaviors warrants me respecting them as a 'difference of opinion' or a matter of personal preference. If you can identify one of those things that can simply be summarized as 'just a different preference', then by all means- be my guest and we can discuss it.

If it's the word 'neckbeard' that bothers you and a few others, then I recommend learning to use a razor and shaving gel/cream.

The specific wording used is not the issue. The attitude is.

When you insult someone because their personal hygene doesn't meet your standards, they don't suddenly say 'Oh, heavens, I shall change my habits forethwith!' They just think you're a donkey-cave, and the end result of that is more toxicity, not less.

The same goes for any of the things on your list. Fighting fire with fire works for wildfires. It doesn't work for people.

"It´s your mini. You can do whatever you want with it." as a response for when you pitch an idea to be used in a multiplayer context.

I know it's my mini. But when I game there will be another person also taking part in that game, so I'd like to guage the response of other people to my idea before I commit time and money to it.

 insaniak wrote:

When you insult someone because their personal hygene doesn't meet your standards, they don't suddenly say 'Oh, heavens, I shall change my habits forethwith!' They just think you're a donkey-cave, and the end result of that is more toxicity, not less.

Also, when you assume my appearance based on the stereotypical image of a "Neckbeard" I'm not exactly going to respond kindly. I have a full time job, I shower daily, have a shaven head and have never in my life owned a trillby.

Who knew simply having a beard made one a "Neckbeard"?

 insaniak wrote:
When you insult someone because their personal hygene doesn't meet your standards, they don't suddenly say 'Oh, heavens, I shall change my habits forethwith!' They just think you're a donkey-cave, and the end result of that is more toxicity, not less.

Or the embarrassment tends to have them either A- Go fix it, or B- Go away. What they think of me after isn't at all a concern for me as long as they do one or the other. Problem solved, win-win.

 insaniak wrote:
The same goes for any of the things on your list. Fighting fire with fire works for wildfires. It doesn't work for people.

I beg to differ that applying fire to a human being is very effective at persuading them to change their behavior.

nareik wrote:
"It´s your mini. You can do whatever you want with it." as a response for when you pitch an idea to be used in a multiplayer context.

I know it's my mini. But when I game there will be another person also taking part in that game, so I'd like to guage the response of other people to my idea before I commit time and money to it.

But... it's your mini? If you want to do something other than modelling for a game play advantage or being confusing in regards to WYSIWYG, who cares what anyone else thinks?

 Grimtuff wrote:
Also, when you assume my appearance based on the stereotypical image of a "Neckbeard" I'm not exactly going to respond kindly. I have a full time job, I shower daily, have a shaven head and have never in my life owned a trillby.

Who knew simply having a beard made one a "Neckbeard"?

I've got a beard. I shave my neck. Like an adult.

"Neckbeard" implies that the person isn't really 'having a beard' as much as they are 'not shaving at all'. It implies a slovenly, lazy appearance.

nareik wrote:
"It´s your mini. You can do whatever you want with it." as a response for when you pitch an idea to be used in a multiplayer context.

I know it's my mini. But when I game there will be another person also taking part in that game, so I'd like to guage the response of other people to my idea before I commit time and money to it.

Like, to ask them if it looks cool?

Because I don't ask peoples' permission to use a conversion or kitbash I made, as long as it accurately represents what it's supposed to be. If they don't like the cosmetics of it, they have the following options:

A- Go buy, assemble, and paint the models that they would like me to use instead

B- Get over it and play the game

C- Go away so I can play with an actual reasonable adult that wants to have fun.


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 Grimtuff wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

I beg to differ that applying fire to a human being is very effective at persuading them to change their behavior.

r/iamverybadass.

It's a joke. You do realize this, right?

I mean, normal people make jokes. Even boring normal people make jokes every now and then.

edited by ingtaer.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I beg to differ that applying fire to a human being is very effective at persuading them to change their behavior.

This is a simplistic and inaccurate view about behavior modification, one commonly espoused by uneducated people who usually have no idea what they are talking about.

A person having bad hygiene regularly (and I have known a few) is almost always the result of a mental health issue. Sure, if they are bad enough to where it is distracting everyone in they store, they should be carefully taken aside, ejected from the store and told to clean before they return. But, I fail to see how publicly shaming them, insulting them, or using violence against them addresses the root cause of the hygiene issue.

Using a hammer to smash square pegs into round holes just results in broken pegs or broken holes. Go figure.

I have had to delete some back and forth and edit posts for rule 1. Rule 1 is not optional follow it.
Thanks,
ingtaer.

w1zard wrote:
This is a simplistic and inaccurate view about behavior modification, one commonly espoused by uneducated people who usually have no idea what they are talking about.

If you're assuming that I would approve of, attempt, or even assert literally applying fire to the body of another human being- I think you've missed something. It's a joke. I'm not sure how that's not obvious.

w1zard wrote:
A person having bad hygiene regularly (and I have known a few) is almost always the result of a mental health issue. Sure, if they are bad enough to where it is distracting everyone in they store, they should be carefully taken aside, ejected from the store and told to clean before they return. But, I fail to see how publicly shaming them, insulting them, or using violence against them addresses the root cause of the hygiene issue.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. If you think I am foolish enough to start lighting the mentally ill on fire, let me stop that train of thought. I get they can't help it, and sometimes it takes a friendly little talk with them or whoever is their 'guardian' or someone like that close to them. Discrete, quiet, polite, helpful. No problem.

Even when they're not- and I've run into quite a few that think Axe body spray is "bath in aerosol form" and just negates the need for deodorant, doing laundry, etc.- I'm all about pulling them aside and being real with them about their odor, but not being a jerk about it- "Hey, dude, you smell pretty bad. You gotta take care of that, people are noticing it." But, in my experience (which is no more or less valid than your anecdotal experience)- there are a few that don't really care, and will absolutely blow you off because their fun game time is more important than how everyone feels.

So, yeah- then a bit of shaming works. And if you can't understand how effective public shaming is, then you're probably in no place to call someone 'uneducated'... or you've at least not been paying attention to the effectiveness of Social Media's Shaming Fetish and how it compliments the Outrage Fetish.

w1zard wrote:
Using a hammer to smash square pegs into round holes just results in broken pegs or broken holes. Go figure.

And it also is a good way to show you how effective a hammer can be.

This is a joke, too. I don't literally believe this is a way to determine the effectiveness of a hammer. I thought I'd make that joke clear, since the last one apparently wasn't.