Could Space Wolves be allied with anyone in game lore wise

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**Mr Morden**

Techpriestsupport wrote:
Could someone give me some background on this bit with the wolves firing on SoBs please?

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Could someone give me some background on this bit with the wolves firing on SoBs please?

The Fenris Incident was a brief war between the Ecclesiarchy and Space Wolves in 886.M41.[1]

A delegation of Ecclesiarchy officials approaches Fenris, intending to assess the Space Wolves after hearing rumors of their worship of false gods. Logan Grimnar refuses to meet their demands when they command him to open the gates of the Fang and undergo interrogation. Foolishly, the Ecclesiarchy decide to press the matter and when their envoy cruiser is destroyed trying to dock with the Fang the rest of the Ministorum officials retreat, finally realizing the Great Wolf is not be trifled with. However, it is not a lesson learned, and almost a year later the Ecclesiarchy and three orders of the Adepta Sororitas attempt to enter Fenrisian space in force. The resultant war lasts for three weeks before the Ecclesiarchy decides to let sleeping dogs lie and withdraws its forces

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fenris_Incident

**Casualty**

They seem like natural spiritual bros to the Salamanders, but I can't think of any fluff to back that up.

**Mr Morden**

Casualty wrote:
They seem like natural spiritual bros to the Salamanders, but I can't think of any fluff to back that up.

Hmm not really - Salamanders are big on protecting civies - opposite of many Chapters and especially the Iron Hands and Flesh Tearers.

Space Wolves are a warrior culture in that they respect other warriors, grugdingly and are really touchy about honour like any other trope warrior culture in sci-fi.

If the population of Armegeddon had not taken part in the fight against Chaos but hid in their hives, the Wolves would probably not have even protested if they were then purged.

**pm713**

Mr Morden wrote:
Casualty wrote:
They seem like natural spiritual bros to the Salamanders, but I can't think of any fluff to back that up.

Hmm not really - Salamanders are big on protecting civies - opposite of many Chapters and especially the Iron Hands and Flesh Tearers.

Space Wolves are a warrior culture in that they respect other warriors, grugdingly and are really touchy about honour like any other trope warrior culture in sci-fi.

If the population of Armegeddon had not taken part in the fight against Chaos but hid in their hives, the Wolves would probably not have even protested if they were then purged.

That really depends on your view. Space Wolves are all about honour but protecting the innocent is a part of that which is why they went through the effort of keeping demons away from the people of Armageddon and demanded they get left alone.

**Mr Morden**

pm713 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Casualty wrote:
They seem like natural spiritual bros to the Salamanders, but I can't think of any fluff to back that up.

Hmm not really - Salamanders are big on protecting civies - opposite of many Chapters and especially the Iron Hands and Flesh Tearers.

Space Wolves are a warrior culture in that they respect other warriors, grugdingly and are really touchy about honour like any other trope warrior culture in sci-fi.

If the population of Armegeddon had not taken part in the fight against Chaos but hid in their hives, the Wolves would probably not have even protested if they were then purged.

That really depends on your view. Space Wolves are all about honour but protecting the innocent is a part of that which is why they went through the effort of keeping demons away from the people of Armageddon and demanded they get left alone.

Hmm - we obviously differ but for me they are more about getting a good fight, saga, opponent than making sure civies are safe - mission over colaterol - As i read it they were seriously peeed off that fellow warriors were purged by the Inquisition.

They are nowhere near as ruthless as the Iron Hands mind you (Wrath of Iron is such a great read)

**pm713**

Mr Morden wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Casualty wrote:
They seem like natural spiritual bros to the Salamanders, but I can't think of any fluff to back that up.

Hmm not really - Salamanders are big on protecting civies - opposite of many Chapters and especially the Iron Hands and Flesh Tearers.

Space Wolves are a warrior culture in that they respect other warriors, grugdingly and are really touchy about honour like any other trope warrior culture in sci-fi.

If the population of Armegeddon had not taken part in the fight against Chaos but hid in their hives, the Wolves would probably not have even protested if they were then purged.

That really depends on your view. Space Wolves are all about honour but protecting the innocent is a part of that which is why they went through the effort of keeping demons away from the people of Armageddon and demanded they get left alone.

Hmm - we obviously differ but for me they are more about getting a good fight, saga, opponent than making sure civies are safe - mission over colaterol - As i read it they were seriously peeed off that fellow warriors were purged by the Inquisition.

They are nowhere near as ruthless as the Iron Hands mind you (Wrath of Iron is such a great read)

That was part of it but getting yourselves killed protecting people just to have them killed isn't great. I think beating the opponent is the priority but civilians are important which is why you get squads sent to protect worlds when even the local marines have bailed out (Blade of Asaheim). I think the main difference is that for Wolves protecting innocents is a desirable optional objective whereas for Salamanders it's a main objective. IIRC in Helsreach the Black Templars get mad the Salamanders wouldn't join their charge at the Ork leader because it would have left civilians vulnerable.

**Mr Morden**

pm713 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Casualty wrote:
They seem like natural spiritual bros to the Salamanders, but I can't think of any fluff to back that up.

Hmm not really - Salamanders are big on protecting civies - opposite of many Chapters and especially the Iron Hands and Flesh Tearers.

Space Wolves are a warrior culture in that they respect other warriors, grugdingly and are really touchy about honour like any other trope warrior culture in sci-fi.

If the population of Armegeddon had not taken part in the fight against Chaos but hid in their hives, the Wolves would probably not have even protested if they were then purged.

That really depends on your view. Space Wolves are all about honour but protecting the innocent is a part of that which is why they went through the effort of keeping demons away from the people of Armageddon and demanded they get left alone.

Hmm - we obviously differ but for me they are more about getting a good fight, saga, opponent than making sure civies are safe - mission over colaterol - As i read it they were seriously peeed off that fellow warriors were purged by the Inquisition.

They are nowhere near as ruthless as the Iron Hands mind you (Wrath of Iron is such a great read)

That was part of it but getting yourselves killed protecting people just to have them killed isn't great. I think beating the opponent is the priority but civilians are important which is why you get squads sent to protect worlds when even the local marines have bailed out (Blade of Asaheim). I think the main difference is that for Wolves protecting innocents is a desirable optional objective whereas for Salamanders it's a main objective. IIRC in Helsreach the Black Templars get mad the Salamanders wouldn't join their charge at the Ork leader because it would have left civilians vulnerable.

Agreed re the Black Templars - Grimaldus nearly comes to blows with them.

I have not read Blade of Asaheim so canlt comment on that but all the other lore suggested that the battle was a reward in itself, if the civilians die - meh - who cares.

**Casualty**

Man, the Salamanders really are the Good Guy Gregs of 40k. Wish I liked playing/painting them more.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Guard. The Space Wolves protected the Guardsmen from the Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle; and generally go out of their way to help the Guard.

Also, they fight beside the Guard and Imperial Knights on Sanctus Reach. Also, my biggest :( with Sanctus Reach was that when the Space Wolves are getting beat up by the Lord of Skulls, it's the Castellan's Baneblade that comes to save them, instead of the Shadowsword they rescued earlier.

As for the lore patch about fighting the Sisters...
There was an incident where the Ministorium and Hereticus had an issue with them, and invaded Fenris for 3 weeks. Also, like the Sisters stand for order, theocracy, and general oppression and totalitarianism, while the space wolves are free-spirited and focus on helping out and propping up the weak.

**Techpriestsupport**

Mr Morden wrote:
Techpriestsupport wrote:
Could someone give me some background on this bit with the wolves firing on SoBs please?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Could someone give me some background on this bit with the wolves firing on SoBs please?

The Fenris Incident was a brief war between the Ecclesiarchy and Space Wolves in 886.M41.[1]

A delegation of Ecclesiarchy officials approaches Fenris, intending to assess the Space Wolves after hearing rumors of their worship of false gods. Logan Grimnar refuses to meet their demands when they command him to open the gates of the Fang and undergo interrogation. Foolishly, the Ecclesiarchy decide to press the matter and when their envoy cruiser is destroyed trying to dock with the Fang the rest of the Ministorum officials retreat, finally realizing the Great Wolf is not be trifled with. However, it is not a lesson learned, and almost a year later the Ecclesiarchy and three orders of the Adepta Sororitas attempt to enter Fenrisian space in force. The resultant war lasts for three weeks before the Ecclesiarchy decides to let sleeping dogs lie and withdraws its forces

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fenris_Incident

Thank you.

**pm713**

Mr Morden wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Casualty wrote:
They seem like natural spiritual bros to the Salamanders, but I can't think of any fluff to back that up.

Hmm not really - Salamanders are big on protecting civies - opposite of many Chapters and especially the Iron Hands and Flesh Tearers.

Space Wolves are a warrior culture in that they respect other warriors, grugdingly and are really touchy about honour like any other trope warrior culture in sci-fi.

If the population of Armegeddon had not taken part in the fight against Chaos but hid in their hives, the Wolves would probably not have even protested if they were then purged.

That really depends on your view. Space Wolves are all about honour but protecting the innocent is a part of that which is why they went through the effort of keeping demons away from the people of Armageddon and demanded they get left alone.

Hmm - we obviously differ but for me they are more about getting a good fight, saga, opponent than making sure civies are safe - mission over colaterol - As i read it they were seriously peeed off that fellow warriors were purged by the Inquisition.

They are nowhere near as ruthless as the Iron Hands mind you (Wrath of Iron is such a great read)

That was part of it but getting yourselves killed protecting people just to have them killed isn't great. I think beating the opponent is the priority but civilians are important which is why you get squads sent to protect worlds when even the local marines have bailed out (Blade of Asaheim). I think the main difference is that for Wolves protecting innocents is a desirable optional objective whereas for Salamanders it's a main objective. IIRC in Helsreach the Black Templars get mad the Salamanders wouldn't join their charge at the Ork leader because it would have left civilians vulnerable.

Agreed re the Black Templars - Grimaldus nearly comes to blows with them.

I have not read Blade of Asaheim so canlt comment on that but all the other lore suggested that the battle was a reward in itself, if the civilians die - meh - who cares.

In short a squad of Grey Hunters are sent to help defend a planet at the request of the SoB and the SoB only asked the Wolves because the local marines left because everyone was overstretched. The Wolves decided to stretch themselves further to help people rather than ignore the request.

**Alphabet**

Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Guard. The Space Wolves protected the Guardsmen from the Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle; and generally go out of their way to help the Guard.

Also, they fight beside the Guard and Imperial Knights on Sanctus Reach. Also, my biggest :( with Sanctus Reach was that when the Space Wolves are getting beat up by the Lord of Skulls, it's the Castellan's Baneblade that comes to save them, instead of the Shadowsword they rescued earlier.

As for the lore patch about fighting the Sisters...
There was an incident where the Ministorium and Hereticus had an issue with them, and invaded Fenris for 3 weeks. Also, like the Sisters stand for order, theocracy, and general oppression and totalitarianism, while the space wolves are free-spirited and focus on helping out and propping up the weak.

Interesting! What book was that, regarding the Castellan Baneblade. Not sure on any books with Space Wolves covering a majority of it. Only short stories.

**Niiai**

In the Vigulus Defiant book they ally with quite a lott. Most notisably other SM and Eldar.

**Dakka Wolf**

Casualty wrote:
They seem like natural spiritual bros to the Salamanders, but I can't think of any fluff to back that up.

Depends on how the civvies go about getting their help.
Demand the Wolves’ help and they’ll leave you in the cold.
Beg for their help and you get a 50/50 chance.
Tell them that there is more killing to be done than you can handle and watch them turn up in force.