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jim300 wrote: I wish to hear other guy's opinion about tier of Sister codex...
Tournament dominator
Tournament contender
Casual <----sisters are here Borked
It's mostly the same army it was in the index. Two of the three crutches that supported it have been kicked away, in their place the sisters have half decent deny capabilities and some minor improvements in firepower, assault, and durability.
I played this list yesterday against a Custodes list (16 bikes) with 3 BA jump pack captains. An easy win. He was almost table by turn 2. We played the new Maelstrom mission #1. I played second and use the +1CP stratagem for the whole army. Everything had a 2+/4++ with seraphims at 3++. In the end, whatever you take besides these leman russ doesn't matter (being the best unit of the game, they palliate the rest). When you compare a Canoness (with her six s8 ap-4 attacks at 3+ re-rolling 1s) with a custodes guard, for about the same price the Canoness wins out in my opinion (being a character and having an inferno pistol). 3 of them and the fight twice AoF + vessel means 38 attacks (52 with celestine herself)... If only we could negate invulnerable save!
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RenegadeKorps wrote: I played this list yesterday against a Custodes list (16 bikes) with 3 BA jump pack captains.
An easy win. He was almost table by turn 2. We played the new Maelstrom mission #1.
I played second and use the +1CP stratagem for the whole army. Everything had a 2+/4++ with seraphims at 3++.
In the end, whatever you take besides these leman russ doesn't matter (being the best unit of the game, they palliate the rest).
When you compare a Canoness (with her six s8 ap-4 attacks at 3+ re-rolling 1s) with a custodes guard, for about the same price the Canoness wins out in my opinion (being a character and having an inferno pistol). 3 of them and the fight twice AoF + vessel means 38 attacks (52 with celestine herself)... If only we could negate invulnerable save!
alextroy wrote: The intro to the Beta Codex literally says "We have also removed Imagifiers as a unit..." Anyone trying to use them either didn't read the rules or is going a bit WAAC.
This feels like another grey area. The text does say it's been removed, but is it saying from the game entirely, or is it only removed from the BetaDex? I'm sure people more interested in it than I can provide arguments either way.
Personally I'm not going to use solo Imagifers, as it seems to be outside the spirit of the play test.
Ask the Tau how trying to game something that was remove/changed worked out.
(The Stimulant Injector wargear was made a stratagem, everyone just took it under the 'index wargear' option only for GW to outright deny it in the Faq).
RenegadeKorps wrote: I played this list yesterday against a Custodes list (16 bikes) with 3 BA jump pack captains.
An easy win. He was almost table by turn 2. We played the new Maelstrom mission #1.
I played second and use the +1CP stratagem for the whole army. Everything had a 2+/4++ with seraphims at 3++.
In the end, whatever you take besides these leman russ doesn't matter (being the best unit of the game, they palliate the rest).
When you compare a Canoness (with her six s8 ap-4 attacks at 3+ re-rolling 1s) with a custodes guard, for about the same price the Canoness wins out in my opinion (being a character and having an inferno pistol). 3 of them and the fight twice AoF + vessel means 38 attacks (52 with celestine herself)... If only we could negate invulnerable save!
Thanks interesting read
How different would it have been without the Leman Russ's - Exorcists?
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How can Imagfiers only be 'removed from the BetaDex' as a unit if they aren't in it to begin with. Imagifers are still in the game, they're just a unit upgrade instead.
You know when we get the FAQs, and there are always answers to questions that are super obvious to like 98% of players and most of us are thinking 'they really had to FAQ this???', and then we get mad when a couple other questions that we actually need a FAQ on don't get answered? That's what this is.
jim300 wrote: I wish to hear other guy's opinion about tier of Sister codex...
Tournament dominator
Tournament contender
Casual <----sisters are here Borked
It's mostly the same army it was in the index. Two of the three crutches that supported it have been kicked away, in their place the sisters have half decent deny capabilities and some minor improvements in firepower, assault, and durability.
I disagree about the firepower improvements but the rest seems about right.
There are a few different fields of opinion for Sisters right now.
1) Actual Sisters players: feel that the faction did get their crutches kicked out from under them. Now trying desperately to find a way to win competitive games including finding questionably legal methods of play that will make everyone involved completely miserable.
2) The online Typing-Heads: YouTubers and article writers that skimmed the BetaDex once, never read the index before and state that 'Sisters have neat stuff now and the most overpowered Strat in the game (Blessed Bolts)', and then never think about Sisters again.
3) The online Forum/local shop guy: not Sisters players, but read an article/watched YouTube, and are now convinced that the actual Sisters players are just a bunch of whiners.
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Sometimes, you just gotta take something cause the model is freakin cool...
RenegadeKorps wrote: I played this list yesterday against a Custodes list (16 bikes) with 3 BA jump pack captains.
An easy win. He was almost table by turn 2. We played the new Maelstrom mission #1.
I played second and use the +1CP stratagem for the whole army. Everything had a 2+/4++ with seraphims at 3++.
In the end, whatever you take besides these leman russ doesn't matter (being the best unit of the game, they palliate the rest).
When you compare a Canoness (with her six s8 ap-4 attacks at 3+ re-rolling 1s) with a custodes guard, for about the same price the Canoness wins out in my opinion (being a character and having an inferno pistol). 3 of them and the fight twice AoF + vessel means 38 attacks (52 with celestine herself)... If only we could negate invulnerable save!
Thanks interesting read
How different would it have been without the Leman Russ's - Exorcists?
My question as well... sounds like you faced a low model count army, which between melta, Exos, and Blessed Bolts we might be pretty optimized against. What did the Russes do, and could you have done it with Exos?
alextroy wrote: The intro to the Beta Codex literally says "We have also removed Imagifiers as a unit..." Anyone trying to use them either didn't read the rules or is going a bit WAAC.
This feels like another grey area. The text does say it's been removed, but is it saying from the game entirely, or is it only removed from the BetaDex? I'm sure people more interested in it than I can provide arguments either way.
Personally I'm not going to use solo Imagifers, as it seems to be outside the spirit of the play test.
Ask the Tau how trying to game something that was remove/changed worked out.
(The Stimulant Injector wargear was made a stratagem, everyone just took it under the 'index wargear' option only for GW to outright deny it in the Faq).
That's GW making a change. The current rules say that if there's an Index datasheet for a unit, but it's not in your codex, then you can use the Index one. Which is the case here. There's a unit upgrade for Imagifers in the BetaDex, but not a data sheet. So until GW says otherwise, one could argue that imagifers are currently legal from the Index. Will GW change that? Probably. Have they yet? Most likely not.
Like I said, a grey area. You can argue it either way.
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Creeping Dementia wrote: How can Imagfiers only be 'removed from the BetaDex' as a unit if they aren't in it to begin with. Imagifers are still in the game, they're just a unit upgrade instead.
You know when we get the FAQs, and there are always answers to questions that are super obvious to like 98% of players and most of us are thinking 'they really had to FAQ this???', and then we get mad when a couple other questions that we actually need a FAQ on don't get answered? That's what this is.
As I said above, there's a good argument that it's currently legal to take them. And yes, there's a good chance GW will change that the first chance they get. Email them about it.
I disagree about the firepower improvements but the rest seems about right.
There are a few different fields of opinion for Sisters right now.
1) Actual Sisters players: feel that the faction did get their crutches kicked out from under them. Now trying desperately to find a way to win competitive games including finding questionably legal methods of play that will make everyone involved completely miserable.
2) The online Typing-Heads: YouTubers and article writers that skimmed the BetaDex once, never read the index before and state that 'Sisters have neat stuff now and the most overpowered Strat in the game (Blessed Bolts)', and then never think about Sisters again.
3) The online Forum/local shop guy: not Sisters players, but read an article/watched YouTube, and are now convinced that the actual Sisters players are just a bunch of whiners.
Yeah, that sounds about right. Though there's a 4th. Players who never looked at sisters, skimmed the Beta and have declared it to be the new 'unbeatable' and won't listen to advice about how they're mistaken.
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MacPhail wrote: What did the Russes do, and could you have done it with Exos?
Unsupported the Russes plasma weapons are roughly comparable against T7/T8 vehicles to an exorcist & canoness combo. But the russes score twice as many hits against smaller targets, have the lascannon on top of that, grinding advance, and are far less random.
Exos are cheaper though.
If the changes in the scoring system that came with CA2018 are an indication of where the game is going, the sisters having extremely durable troops that can be fielded in mass will be good for them.
Score the objectives long enough and even if you get tabled in the end, you will still win.
After playing them a bit yesterday (this was against Necrons buddy wanted to test new points) their are 3 problems for me for the army.
Its way to dependent on auras, and stacking auras, moreso than most armies, it handicaps you. Once you are out of an aura that unit is most likely useless, as AoF are not strong enough at all to help, aof themselves are not strong at all, that is good, but they are way to hard to get off for how little reward you get for them, making them not countable for when you need that extra little buff (ones that most armies get anyways).
The army is way to dependent on CP, you really want a Brigade or 2 battalions. You will need to use VotEW 2-3 times a game no matter what, thats 9 CP just for that, you will use the SB strat and another 1 or 2 strats all the time as well. Its way to much reliance on them.
With those 3 problems, it makes the army not fun to play with, or against. As having almost all your army as either a 4++ many as a 3++, ignoring ap almost all together isnt a fun feeling for others. For the SOB player knowing you need to be in those auras also isnt fun. Needing to be near your Elite characters as well for VotEW.
My list was to have a test many units and options not optimize
RenegadeKorps wrote: I played this list yesterday against a Custodes list (16 bikes) with 3 BA jump pack captains.
An easy win. He was almost table by turn 2. We played the new Maelstrom mission #1.
I played second and use the +1CP stratagem for the whole army. Everything had a 2+/4++ with seraphims at 3++.
In the end, whatever you take besides these leman russ doesn't matter (being the best unit of the game, they palliate the rest).
When you compare a Canoness (with her six s8 ap-4 attacks at 3+ re-rolling 1s) with a custodes guard, for about the same price the Canoness wins out in my opinion (being a character and having an inferno pistol). 3 of them and the fight twice AoF + vessel means 38 attacks (52 with celestine herself)... If only we could negate invulnerable save!
The Dialogus does not get the Order, because Dialogus does not have an Order.
Auxiliary detachments do not get Chapter Tactics.
Eviscerators cost 22 points now, because Sisters do not have them in the Beta Dex, and Chapter Approved 2017 price does not exist anymore, so we tumble down to the original Index wargear option and price. Further, she cannot take both an Eviscerator AND any special ranged or pistol weapon, because she has to use the Index wargear options (where she can only trade one of either the pistol or chainsword for a special ranged or melee weapon, and then the pistol can be traded for a boltgun).
Creeping Dementia wrote: How can Imagfiers only be 'removed from the BetaDex' as a unit if they aren't in it to begin with. Imagifers are still in the game, they're just a unit upgrade instead.
You know when we get the FAQs, and there are always answers to questions that are super obvious to like 98% of players and most of us are thinking 'they really had to FAQ this???', and then we get mad when a couple other questions that we actually need a FAQ on don't get answered? That's what this is.
jim300 wrote: I wish to hear other guy's opinion about tier of Sister codex...
Tournament dominator
Tournament contender
Casual <----sisters are here Borked
It's mostly the same army it was in the index. Two of the three crutches that supported it have been kicked away, in their place the sisters have half decent deny capabilities and some minor improvements in firepower, assault, and durability.
I disagree about the firepower improvements but the rest seems about right.
There are a few different fields of opinion for Sisters right now.
1) Actual Sisters players: feel that the faction did get their crutches kicked out from under them. Now trying desperately to find a way to win competitive games including finding questionably legal methods of play that will make everyone involved completely miserable.
2) The online Typing-Heads: YouTubers and article writers that skimmed the BetaDex once, never read the index before and state that 'Sisters have neat stuff now and the most overpowered Strat in the game (Blessed Bolts)', and then never think about Sisters again.
3) The online Forum/local shop guy: not Sisters players, but read an article/watched YouTube, and are now convinced that the actual Sisters players are just a bunch of whiners.
sounds correct
"If you are forced to use your trump card, then the battle is already lost"
HQ - Sister Ephrael - Canoness with PS/BP (Brazier)- 49
HQ - Sister Vangela - Canoness - BP/CCW/Book of St Luc (Warlord with Indom Belief) - 45
HQ - Celestine - 160
OB SEC TROOP - His Agony - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51
OB SEC TROOP - His Woe - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51
DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107
OB SEC TROOP - His Pain- 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/Bolter- 49
OB SEC TROOP - His Grief - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/Bolter - 49
OB SEC TROOP - His Loss - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51
OB SEC TROOP - His Suffering - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51
DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF = 107
ELITE - Dialogous Yara - Dialogous - 30
ELITE - Confessor Kyrinov - Preacher - 25
FREELITE - Mistress Rovys - Mistress of Repentance - 35
ELITE - The Red Redemption - Repentia x8 - 120
DED TRANS - Rhino with SB - 75
HEAVY - Exorcist - 125
HEAVY - Exorcist - 125
HEAVY - Exorcist - 125
FAST - His Deliverance - 8 Seraphim, CS/BP, 1x2IP, 1x2HF - 108
FAST - His Retribution - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124
DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107
FAST - His Retaliation - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124
DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107
Bonus points in that it is almost completely ready for play. Maybe ~5-6 models to paint. My canonesses even had the right modeling for their relics, which was weird. I did have the wrong points for the MoR so I had to drop the PP on the Seraphim.
And because this is the part of the list building where I lay them all out to figure out if I like the way it looks:
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pretre wrote: Back on track from whatever that was...
Okay, I think I decided on a list for now:
VERSION 5.0 - Final?
2k - 15 CP (14 after relics) - 9 Faith
Ebon Chalice Brigade
HQ - Sister Ephrael - Canoness with PS/BP (Brazier)- 49
HQ - Sister Vangela - Canoness - BP/CCW/Book of St Luc (Warlord with Indom Belief) - 45
HQ - Celestine - 160
OB SEC TROOP - His Agony - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51
OB SEC TROOP - His Woe - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51
DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107
OB SEC TROOP - His Pain- 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/Bolter- 49
OB SEC TROOP - His Grief - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/Bolter - 49
OB SEC TROOP - His Loss - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51
OB SEC TROOP - His Suffering - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51
DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF = 107
ELITE - Dialogous Yara - Dialogous - 30
ELITE - Confessor Kyrinov - Preacher - 25
FREELITE - Mistress Rovys - Mistress of Repentance - 35
ELITE - The Red Redemption - Repentia x8 - 120
DED TRANS - Rhino with SB - 75
HEAVY - Exorcist - 125
HEAVY - Exorcist - 125
HEAVY - Exorcist - 125
FAST - His Deliverance - 8 Seraphim, CS/BP, 1x2IP, 1x2HF - 108
FAST - His Retribution - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124
DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107
FAST - His Retaliation - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124
DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107
Bonus points in that it is almost completely ready for play. Maybe ~5-6 models to paint. My canonesses even had the right modeling for their relics, which was weird. I did have the wrong points for the MoR so I had to drop the PP on the Seraphim.
And because this is the part of the list building where I lay them all out to figure out if I like the way it looks:
Envious would be a word I would use. Love that collection. The list sounds potent. Hopefully you can get them in a match so we can hear how they perform.
downsizeit wrote: Envious would be a word I would use. Love that collection. The list sounds potent. Hopefully you can get them in a match so we can hear how they perform.
My hobby is just events and has been for the last 5-10 years. I don't really get to play unless I go to a RTT or GT. So this list is scheduled for a store RTT next month (I think the 26th). I'm fairly certain I can get the 5 models painted in time.
edit: Also, that's just the 2000 points for the list. I have another 5-6 foot shelf of sisters that aren't in the list. And I'll be getting a full 2k of the new stuff when it comes out.
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downsizeit wrote: Envious would be a word I would use. Love that collection. The list sounds potent. Hopefully you can get them in a match so we can hear how they perform.
My hobby is just events and has been for the last 5-10 years. I don't really get to play unless I go to a RTT or GT. So this list is scheduled for a store RTT next month (I think the 26th). I'm fairly certain I can get the 5 models painted in time.
edit: Also, that's just the 2000 points for the list. I have another 5-6 foot shelf of sisters that aren't in the list. And I'll be getting a full 2k of the new stuff when it comes out.
I'd recommend changing the dominion squad name from Deliverance to Reprisal to complete the R theme. As far as composition, you play it and tell me. It looks fine on paper.
downsizeit wrote: Envious would be a word I would use. Love that collection. The list sounds potent. Hopefully you can get them in a match so we can hear how they perform.
edit: Also, that's just the 2000 points for the list. I have another 5-6 foot shelf of sisters that aren't in the list. And I'll be getting a full 2k of the new stuff when it comes out.
Pretty much the same on the new stuff for me. I've got a list of a little over 2K that I'm planning on getting. These plastic sisters can't arrive soon enough.
So in addition to The Pink TIde (my battlescribe list is now called "150 Single Moms in Your Area"), I've made two other lists, as I do not suspect that Sisters will be allowed to have a competitive horde army that takes an hour per turn.
So the first one is based on Tank Commanders being the workhorse and Sisters kind of just existing to score objectives, throw supplemental fire across the table, deny psychic powers, and splashing The Passion to teach turn1 charges an important lesson in humility.
All squads MSU.
Spoiler:
Brigade Detachment - Bloody Rose
Canoness w/ Boltgun and Condemnor Boltgun (had 1 point left over) - Brazzer Relic for 1 CP Celestine
Missionary
deviantduck wrote: I'd recommend changing the dominion squad name from Deliverance to Reprisal to complete the R theme. As far as composition, you play it and tell me. It looks fine on paper.
That's a Seraphim squad that is His Deliverance.
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Drider wrote: Pretre... Did you name you're Canonesses? You fluffy bunny!
And all my squads. They've been with me a loooong time.
I think I've settled on my mono list until further testing or if GW alter publish meaningful changes to the beta.
Spoiler:
Batt+vanguard/outrider/spear 9cp + 10FP (if i counted right)
++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Mistress of Repentance: Neural Whips
Order Convictions: Order: Bloody Rose
+ HQ +
Canoness: Bolt pistol, Eviscerator
Canoness: Bolt pistol, Eviscerator, Warlord
Celestine
+ Troops +
Battle Sister Squad
. 2x Battle Sister
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
Battle Sister Squad
. 11x Battle Sister
. Battle Sister w/ Simulacrum: Simulacrum Imperialis
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Flamer
. Sister Superior: Bolt pistol
Battle Sister Squad
. 2x Battle Sister
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
+ Elites +
Dialogus
Preacher
Repentia Squad: 9x Repentia
Repentia Squad: 9x Repentia
+ Fast Attack +
Dominion Squad
. Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
Dominion Squad
. Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
Seraphim Squad
. 7x Seraphim
. Seraphim Superior: Bolt pistol, Plasma pistol
. Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Hand Flamers
. Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Hand Flamers
+ Heavy Support +
Exorcist
Exorcist
Exorcist
+ Dedicated Transport +
Sororitas Rhino: Storm bolter
Sororitas Rhino: Storm bolter
Wow. I'd love to see how this goes.
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Also, I'm serious mulling over dropping to 7 repentia just so I can throw the dialogous in the ride if I need to. It also gets me a HB instead of a SB and a PP for the Seraphim. Choices choices.
Also, I converted a badass seraphim superior out of a geminae (since I hate the PP superior) and she's magnetized. Magnetizing geminae is hard. lol
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My logic runs the other way, once you've payed the Mistres/priest tax on the first squad of repentia you might as well pick up a second tax free. although if it was 3 squads then i'd like redundancy on the buffs.
Okay, after playing two games with the codex:
Sisters of Battle damage output in shooting has been kneecapped. No question in my mind. Without being able to get Seraphim up close quickly, and without getting double shooting, we just can't pack the punch we used to.
That being said, our durability seems to have increased notably as long as we build for it. Celestine and a Canoness with the +3" aura and +1 invuln ability can lead to some pretty tanky units, especially if you castle inside transports. (Rhinos and whatnot with a 4+ invuln is pretty hard to shift.)
Also, while I'm not sold on it being a gamechanger, using Vessel of the Emperor on Spirit of the Martyr seems like a really effective option if your opponent gets sloppy and doesn't finish off whole squads.
I had a situation where five squads were down by at least one model, and a couple characters were injured, and I had a damaged repressor all relatively close to each other. I whiffed my roll with double ones, but had I gotten it off that would have been 100ish points of healing in one go, which is pretty nice.
After having played 6 games now trying to get some points out of my OoBR Repentia I think I'm cashing in the chips and moving on to something else. The one time I actually got them in to base to base at full strength a Knight explosion nearby nuked the entire squad. Way too much to buff them up to be worthy of their points, and way too fragile (even with a 4++) to actually get anything out of them. Literally my Repentia have failed to do a single wound on their own but have inflicted a total of 11 through use of the stratagem.
I'll take a look at whether the 300ish points is better spent on PenEngines or filling out my Seraphim horde. I really wanted Repentia and PenEngines to be a thing with the Beta. So far the Repentia haven't, perhaps the PenEngines will be a surprise. Not likely, but we're supposed to try this stuff out, right? AoF are still meaningless without Vessel, which handicaps the army too much and will usually fail you when you actually need it. My squad of Serpahim used Descent last night and inflicted a whopping two dead on a Kabalite squad that sure seemed to be getting a lot more mileage out of their power from pain than I have been able to get out of our Convictions so far. Seriously looking at returning to my old favorite, OoVH.
I'm the opposite. I've managed to get good value out of repentia either charging or getting charged and using their strat. Honestly for me they've out preformed every other option in the index.
Leman Russ in my list instead of Exorcist. Well, each of them killed 2.5 custodes bikes per shooting without luck. An exorcist can kill 1 with luck. I see no reason to take an Exorcist in no match up whatsoever. (Plasma LR are overpowered right now, that's the way it is.)
I use the Canoness datasheet from the Index with the most recent point costs. CA2017 point cost for eviscerator is still the most recent one for that weapon option. Go read CA2018, p.124, first paragraph. It's very clear. It says basically : «new point values below for a weapon replace old ones». But there's no new point value for eviscerator «below».
Furthermore, I see no reason preventing her to take an eviscerator and an inferno pistol. What she can't do is take 2 pistols or 2 melee weapons from the lists (Index, p.97).
I bought a canoness with eviscerator and inferno pistol : I can play it. GW is very clear about that (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/) : «There are a few options that are missing in the codex that appear in the index: why is that? Does that mean I can’t use these models in my army anymore? While the indexes are designed to cover a long history of miniatures, the codexes are designed to give you rules for the current Warhammer 40,000 range. There are a few options in the indexes for some Characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range – certain Dreadnought weapons that don’t come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example. Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index). They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army.»
You were right about the Dialogus. I did not use it in the battle though.
Eviscerators cost 22 points now, because Sisters do not have them in the Beta Dex, and Chapter Approved 2017 price does not exist anymore, so we tumble down to the original Index wargear option and price. Further, she cannot take both an Eviscerator AND any special ranged or pistol weapon, because she has to use the Index wargear options (where she can only trade one of either the pistol or chainsword for a special ranged or melee weapon, and then the pistol can be traded for a boltgun).
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RenegadeKorps wrote: Leman Russ in my list instead of Exorcist. Well, each of them killed 2.5 custodes bikes per shooting without luck. An exorcist can kill 1 with luck. I see no reason to take an Exorcist in no match up whatsoever. (Plasma LR are overpowered right now, that's the way it is.)
Plasma Cannons are undercosted (they cost 10 points, and a regular plasma gun costs 11... wtf).
I do not think that LRs are overpowered though, because they essentially don't have a save versus anti-tank weaponry.
They're very glass-cannony, where they're essentially immune to sub-Str5 weaponry, but they pop like a pinata to high strength, high AP weaponry.
I use the Canoness datasheet from the Index with the most recent point costs. CA2017 point cost for eviscerator is still the most recent one for that weapon option. Go read CA2018, p.124, first paragraph. It's very clear. It says basically : «new point values below for a weapon replace old ones». But there's no new point value for eviscerator «below».
Does CA2017 exist anymore? Or was it completely replaced by CA2018 and the reason most things are just relisted with the same point cost as they had in CA2017 (e.g.- Repressor) is because of that invalidation (see: how it works with General's Handbook for AoS)?
18 / 3 / 6 since 6th ed. 
15k+
Emperor's Spears 2500
Beastmen 10k
