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 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
New sculprs perhaps. Dunno about new units unless they add repressors to the codex, which would be nice.

I'm not holding my breath for this, fire points points plus melta spam seems too good. I'd be happy with a non Canoness HQ option with a fun aura and a celestian profile that doesn't suck.

Well APPARENTLY Forge World ISN'T broken according to some. So why EVER would they be broken if put in the codex (this is totally tongue-in-cheek of course)

Harlequins can have a FULL ARMY of melta guns + open top that can move 22"+ and still shoot without any penalties, you can have 10 transports with Fly, -1 to hit, 4++ can get a 3++ and -2, with 5 dudes shooting 5 meltas without penalty.

Guess what, its not worth it, its not good, players try it and it fails everytime.

Not really seeing this as a corollary. But...okay?

"I'm not holding my breath for this, fire points points plus melta spam seems too good"

It was towards that, its not too good is what im saying, other armies already can do this.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
"I'm not holding my breath for this, fire points points plus melta spam seems too good"

It was towards that, its not too good is what im saying, other armies already can do this.

Melta is crazy overpriced for how terrible it can be. If it was 2D3 dmg, or 2D6 take the highest or something else, it might be worth it. I haven't used Melta in over a year. Not since I had 14 shots and didn't do a single wound to lose a game.

Melta is crazy overpriced for how terrible it can be. If it was 2D3 dmg, or 2D6 take the highest or something else, it might be worth it. I haven't used Melta in over a year. Not since I had 14 shots and didn't do a single wound to lose a game.

inferno pistols are good, meltaguns are outclassed by plasma but we can only take one combi plasma per squad, multimeltas are just bad.

As my list tends to be "weather the storm, counterpunch harder" in play, I've stacked quite a lot of melta into it for that purpose, but against most targets that aren't huge, it isn't worth it, its just more of a "its the best choice we got" situation

The problem is 8th core rules not the weapon. When equal points in SB does same damage as a melta gun, there is a problem. No one cares about single shot high damage weapons when you can take a tank/knight with 6-12 shots that all are str 5-7 for 2D.

Same problem with DE, the Dis cannons is 3 shots, str 5, 2D the dark lance doesnt even matter, its only slightly better (0.83 wounds better) only against 1 profile in the game (0 invul T7, and no negatives to hit)

If they changed what hurts what (like in apoc) or make vehicle/MC keywords take -1 to wound vs weaker weapons, maybe some of these weapons would be worth it.

I am a Dark Angels player who is considering starting a small force of Sisters that will begin as a detachment helping me and expand into a standalone army down the road.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might want to start? I just recently got back into the game but I have always liked the Sisters of Battle so when I was thinking about adding an ally they were towards the top of list.

 Reivax26 wrote:
I am a Dark Angels player who is considering starting a small force of Sisters that will begin as a detachment helping me and expand into a standalone army down the road.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might want to start? I just recently got back into the game but I have always liked the Sisters of Battle so when I was thinking about adding an ally they were towards the top of list.

Buy the box set coming out next month and scour ebay for some Repressors. You can go ahead and purchase St Celestine now, though.

From what I have seen in the beta codex I think that they are going to be a pretty strong army actually.

Hmm... stores haven't gotten any preorder prices/files yet. looks like mid November or later at this point

 Reivax26 wrote:
From what I have seen in the beta codex I think that they are going to be a pretty strong army actually.

What aspect of the beta codex makes you think that ?

A.T. wrote:

 Reivax26 wrote:
From what I have seen in the beta codex I think that they are going to be a pretty strong army actually.

What aspect of the beta codex makes you think that ?

I would love to know...

 Reivax26 wrote:
From what I have seen in the beta codex I think that they are going to be a pretty strong army actually.

Yeah I have gone 46-6 with it so I am pretty pleased. I actually shelved them for a bit and am playing my apology tour army now (Grey KNights, my gaming group voted to make me play them hehehe)

I'm not pleased that some units are really unusable and I'm not happy that the armored version of Sisters sucks so much worse than it seems like it should. Lol.

Having said that, there is a definite path to victory with them in the Beta Codex. I am very curious to see how it will shake out.

Sold my SoB, sorry guys but i have to many armies, witht he new plastics coming out i figure now is the best time to do so. GL!

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Sold my SoB, sorry guys but i have to many armies, witht he new plastics coming out i figure now is the best time to do so. GL!

Heresy.

Hey Guys,

It's been awhile since I posted here. After LVO I took an extended break from playing Sisters up until recently.

Anyway not sure if it's been talked about because I didn't read all the backlog of what I missed but the new tanks seem to have heavy bolters as well as their main guns. Thats a really nice plus in my opinion.

I'm hoping for some newer weapon options on the squads too, if not, I don't see a reason for a lot of current sister's players to buy the new stuff as we already have.

Re Tactics -

The 3++/4++ wall post Castellan is really strong but I doubt it'll stay in the codex.

Bold Prediction - Just like Orks got Dakka Dakka Dakka built into their core rules, Sister's will get Holy Trinity stock.

I really like your holy trinity idea! I now the strat is very situational and kind hems a squad up with that load out but I personally love it from a fluff and thematic stand point.

As for new sisters not having new options, I’d still be ok with it, it would just mean I wouldn’t have to buy a bunch right out the gate but can slowly cycle the new sisters in place of my older ones.

 Solosam47 wrote:
I really like your holy trinity idea! I now the strat is very situational and kind hems a squad up with that load out but I personally love it from a fluff and thematic stand point.

As for new sisters not having new options, I’d still be ok with it, it would just mean I wouldn’t have to buy a bunch right out the gate but can slowly cycle the new sisters in place of my older ones.

In the handful of games I've played recently Holy Trinity on Seraphim has been valuable, it allowed me to one shot a tank commander and put some hurt on a knight . They have constantly been my all stars.

I haven’t tried it on seraphim yet, I’ll give that a shot!

Rynner wrote:
In the handful of games I've played recently Holy Trinity on Seraphim has been valuable, it allowed me to one shot a tank commander and put some hurt on a knight . They have constantly been my all stars.

I'd imagine that needs a full sized squad, a plasma pistol, and a lot of luck to stand a chance at that.

Trinity bolt pistols against T8/3+ are 13-14 shots per wound, with the flamer sister worth around 1 wound. It just always feels like such a marginal use of a command point when you are giving up two inferno pistols for it.

A.T. wrote:

Rynner wrote:
In the handful of games I've played recently Holy Trinity on Seraphim has been valuable, it allowed me to one shot a tank commander and put some hurt on a knight . They have constantly been my all stars.

I'd imagine that needs a full sized squad, a plasma pistol, and a lot of luck to stand a chance at that.

Trinity bolt pistols against T8/3+ are 13-14 shots per wound, with the flamer sister worth around 1 wound. It just always feels like such a marginal use of a command point when you are giving up two inferno pistols for it.

most sisters offensive options suck like that, they win games by not losing games which is why its very difficult to win a larger ITC style tourney, you simply can't table anyone in two turns so you can't max out VPs to get to the final tables

Rynner wrote:
Hey Guys,

It's been awhile since I posted here. After LVO I took an extended break from playing Sisters up until recently.

Anyway not sure if it's been talked about because I didn't read all the backlog of what I missed but the new tanks seem to have heavy bolters as well as their main guns. Thats a really nice plus in my opinion.

I'm hoping for some newer weapon options on the squads too, if not, I don't see a reason for a lot of current sister's players to buy the new stuff as we already have.

Re Tactics -

The 3++/4++ wall post Castellan is really strong but I doubt it'll stay in the codex.

Bold Prediction - Just like Orks got Dakka Dakka Dakka built into their core rules, Sister's will get Holy Trinity stock.

Welcome back Rynner. After Vegas last year I wasn't sure if you went back to your room and hanged yourself or not. I won't get to go this year.

Heh. Thanks!

I wasn't going to go back to LVO this year/ever after how horrid of a trip last year was but chances are it was just a lot of bad luck that hit me all at once.

I bought a ticket for this year. I wasn't at all planning competing for best Sisters this year but after MI (where I got 9th and scored 199ish ITC points) I find myself suddenly with a shot at it.

As long as the book isn't utter crap I'll probably go back to LVO.

Well see in a few weeks either way.

I say lets storm the LVO with winners. Hehehe.

I got it off my bucket list so I am happy. Got BAO off the list. I honestly don't love the expense of the travel and all that, Or I would have long since taken the number one Sisters spot. Stuck at #2 probably for the rest of the season. There is a major coming up in my backyard though so I am tempted to ride them into battle one last time, in December. If I win it, then I probably take the #1 spot and can call it a day!

After reviewing the history of Sister's statlines, I'm predicting they will start at bottom tier, and stay there for the remainder of 8th. That being said, I love the models and can't wait to paint them up!

Looking around at the recent tournament results - a Sororitas list from the recent SoCal Open. Possibly the last big 40k tournament of the sisters beta era?

3x battalion, Bloody Rose, 2000pts

3x Canoness - all with inferno pistols, two with index eviscerators and one with the argent blade.
-one of these was the warlord with Indomitable Belief and brazier as required, the other two were mounted in a rhino with a missionary and arcos
2x Missionary
1x Celestine

3x minimum sisters squads with meltas and inferno pistols (two paired up in a repressor)
3x minimum sisters with 3 stormbolters
3x minimum sisters with nothing but condemnors to fill out the spare points

Mistress of Repentence and 8 Repentia (in rhino with missionary)
5 Arco flagellants
Dialogus and Index Imagifier for vessel abuse
5 seraphim - inferno pistols and plasma pistol
3 exorcists

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Came in 109th, winning their first three games and then suffering three one-sided pastings by nuMarine lists (one Raven Guard that sniped the warlord and jumped on the exorcists first turn, and two Iron Hands gunlines that just shot them off the board)

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
After reviewing the history of Sister's statlines, I'm predicting they will start at bottom tier, and stay there for the remainder of 8th. That being said, I love the models and can't wait to paint them up!

You will be pleasantly surprised.


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A.T. wrote:
Looking around at the recent tournament results - a Sororitas list from the recent SoCal Open. Possibly the last big 40k tournament of the sisters beta era?

3x battalion, Bloody Rose, 2000pts

3x Canoness - all with inferno pistols, two with index eviscerators and one with the argent blade.
-one of these was the warlord with Indomitable Belief and brazier as required, the other two were mounted in a rhino with a missionary and arcos
2x Missionary
1x Celestine

3x minimum sisters squads with meltas and inferno pistols (two paired up in a repressor)
3x minimum sisters with 3 stormbolters
3x minimum sisters with nothing but condemnors to fill out the spare points

Mistress of Repentence and 8 Repentia (in rhino with missionary)
5 Arco flagellants
Dialogus and Index Imagifier for vessel abuse
5 seraphim - inferno pistols and plasma pistol
3 exorcists

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Came in 109th, winning their first three games and then suffering three one-sided pastings by nuMarine lists (one Raven Guard that sniped the warlord and jumped on the exorcists first turn, and two Iron Hands gunlines that just shot them off the board)

Well it appears that they did well against normal forces, so that's cool. I am not certain whatr the Sisters can do about the Space Marines. I suppose the only answer that makes sense is points reductions and a lot of cool speed buffs somehow. NuMarines like shooting a LOT. they are good at melee but they are SO much better at shooting that I have not seen many dedicated melee elements in NuMarine forces.

I cannot predict what will happen, but I am eager to see it. The Arco-Flagellents are such MVP's. I hope they stay that way in the new Dex. They are a GREAT answer to a lot of problems.

I mean I have to say, it all has to be down hill from here, doesn't it? The units we have that are "bad" are as bad as they seem like they can be. The units that are good also work very well. Its the Tweener units Like Celestians and Sisters Repentia and one could argue the Canoness who still needs a jet pack option, and maybe some help in the area of Dominion who sort of lost their lustre somehow. I'm not really sure what they will do. Not a lot of ITC guys play them so play testing it will be challenging if they ask the ITC for help or advice. They are as likely to get it wrong as right.

We'll see. They might stun us with their creativity. My one biggest hope after seeing the mess that is the Marine drops is that they will consider not making list building a labrynth like they did with Dark Eldar and Marines.

I really haven't had any issues vs Marines so long I'm not playing on planet bowling ball. Even when I'm in those situations the game is winnable, it's not pleasant to play, but it's winnable.

Celestians and Sisters Repentia have their place. Currently I've been using Repentia over Flagents and it's been working great.

With the increase of snipers Celestians have value. If the new book wasn't dropping so soon I would be looking to shave 55 points to throw a squad in my current list.

I have high hopes for the book after seeing the new marine stuff but we very well could get a GK type release.

Rynner wrote:

With the increase of snipers Celestians have value. If the new book wasn't dropping so soon I would be looking to shave 55 points to throw a squad in my current list.

Right now Celestians can't bodyguard many of the characters in the book because they lack an order, assuming you aren't just making up rules :p
I feel like that will change to ministorum or order characters but we'll see

No but they can keep your WL alive.

Rynner wrote:
No but they can keep your WL alive.

Yeah that might be a use for them!

My warlord has been typically hiding behind a wall of tanks so its impossible to get line of sight on her, haven't had to deal with LOS ignoring /and/ sniper weapons yet