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It will be interesting to see the pieces come together on this. the New Acts of Faith, Sacred Rites (the old AOF heavily revised), Order Convictions (need lots of revisions given 3 were tied to the old AOF mechanics), more Stratagems (from 14 Beta to 38!), unit revisions, and all new units. And don't forget possible revisions to points cost.

Weidekuh wrote:
But.. do they know target priority?



Joking aside, assuming all index units stay in the codex and knowing what we know already. What would be the one thing you hope will get added as a new thing to the army? Either from a competitive or lore perspective.

Without knowing how Acts of Faith works: hard to tell. But man do I want a Jump pack for that canoness.


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 deviantduck wrote:

Rynner wrote:
I'd like ignore LOS fire and anyway to do mortal wounds.

I was hoping for some sort of army wide gimmick with melta guns. Like all 6s to wound with a melta gun does a MW or something. A nice bonus that gives us more incentive to use the overpriced melta and show some sort of fluffy love for the premiere melta toters.

Getting to CHOOSE to do 6 damage seems good.


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Rynner wrote:
I don't personally think it's worth it for the models, most of us have all that stuff.

But most of us are die hard/long time Sisters players and any chance to get a new LE codex I think most of us are going to jump on.

Well the tanks now have new weapons options, the models are taller, and they are more posable. So...


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A.T. wrote:

Rynner wrote:
Thoughts? I think it looks strong.

With what little we know so far, if you were to swap out betadex acts of faith for miracle dice and allies for sacred rites ... I can't see them getting any less pasted by nuMarine gunlines.
I guess one in three models will get to shoot back as they die though, albeit with the worst possible profile for exorcists.

With acts of faith gone the extra movement is out, double fight is out, autopass moral is gone, no regeneration, no vessels abuse.

Im not sure Acts of Faith are gone.


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A.T. wrote:

I'm pretty sure using the miracle dice is the act of faith.

No


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rbstr wrote:
The way things are presented I think that they could start with a few Miracle Dice already. That and/or some models generate them somehow. Like, what's a Simulacrum going to do now that there's not Tests of Faith?

Provide a free 6 for a Miracle die?

Don't forget to roll your morale tests that you wouldn't normally bother rolling! If you get a 1 you get a miracle die. Doesn't say anything about the unit being in danger.

Also, all evidence points to miracle dice being acts of faith:
1)The section is titled Acts of Faith
2)The acts of faith mentioned in the miracle dice section can both be achieved by using a miracle dice. These were obviously put in place to prevent that die from being automatically refunded.
3)The end of the article says this is all for the army-wide rules.
4)That same section lists things yet to come, including: "Warlord Traits, Relics, Stratagems and Order Convictions" leaving acts of faith conspicuously absent.
5)The actuallyy explain how acts of faith work: "These dice are kept to one side and accrued over the course of the battle as certain circumstances are met, and they’re expended to channel the Acts of Faith for which the Sisters of Battle are renowned."

Acts of Faith may of course still be their own thing, but as it stands there is no reason to actively believe so.

Raulengrin wrote:
Don't forget to roll your morale tests that you wouldn't normally bother rolling! If you get a 1 you get a miracle die. Doesn't say anything about the unit being in danger.

Or about needing to pass it the test...Unit of 10 sisters lose 9 members and last one would be wiped on morale, irrelevant. If you roll unmodified 1 it's a miracle dice.

 Jancoran wrote:

A.T. wrote:
I'm pretty sure using the miracle dice is the act of faith.

No

Yes?
I mean it's not a sure thing, but look at how references to acts of faith are worded in the preview -

These dice are kept to one side ... and they’re expended to channel the Acts of Faith ...
- followed by "You can then expend these dice in place of certain rolls (hit and wound rolls, saving throws, and more) later in the battle to ensure you get the exact result you need, when you need it."

And the only two other references to 'acts of faith' on the page are for generating the dice, most notably "Valour: You roll an unmodified 1 for a Moral test ... without Performing an Act of Faith to do so"
- producing unmodified rolls of 1 is something the miracle dice system does, it's not something that you would expect of an old-style acts of faith system.


We've only seen a subset of the full rules, but what have you seen/heard that suggests there are acts beyond the miracle dice and stratagems ?

Agreed. These sure do look like replacement for acts of faith system from before. Even names of old ones are used elsewhere.

tneva82 wrote:
Agreed. These sure do look like replacement for acts of faith system from before. Even names of old ones are used elsewhere.

The question was raised on the facebook page and the response from the web team also stated that the miracle dice are the new acts of faith - though they are not an authority on such things.

Just ordered my box set today. So pumped. Having never played them before, how many points can I expect out of the box set? I was thinking about 500?

Holy crap that new Imagifier.

So the floating model is a named character, not a new unit.

By the names i'd guess elite seraphim and some form of new rhino variant or fortification.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Just ordered my box set today. So pumped. Having never played them before, how many points can I expect out of the box set? I was thinking about 500?

Ordered it...from whom?

 Jancoran wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Just ordered my box set today. So pumped. Having never played them before, how many points can I expect out of the box set? I was thinking about 500?

Ordered it...from whom?

I pre-ordered it through my local GW store. He lets us put tabs on things that haven't arrived, if we help out with things. Battle tournaments, teaching new hobbyists day, painting classes, etc.

ERJAK wrote:

Only kind of for 3 reasons.

1. the dice are random, no guarantee you'll get 5s or 6s.

2. Exorcists and other vehicles may not be able to benefit.

3. You get a very small number of dice (as of now).

1. Low dice rolls are useful for canoness/celestine/ect. melee swings or morale to recycle them, if GW is smart they will move some optional things like celestine resurrect to fail on a 6 instead of a 1 to get more mileage out of low dice rolls
3. you get one to start, one per turn, and then up to one per phase, I'd dont think its unreasonable to expect 2-3 per turn minimum, since I will be destroying at least one enemy unit per turn, thats 2, losing characters happens, and every morale check you take has a 1/6 chance of giving you another one, plus whatever bonuses the old faith characters give you now.

I dont think its out of the question to expect 3-4 depending on your list, for turns 2-4

so like 10-15 free "rerolls" per game, thats not a very small number of dice

 Grundz wrote:
so like 10-15 free "rerolls" per game, thats not a very small number of dice

If bank all your dice you'll have perhaps two of every value somewhere late turn 3.

We don't know what wargear there is for gaining more or boosting vehicles, but if you run that through on shooting off the biggest gun in the list - the exorcist
-spend a 6 on the shots, hold back 4s, 5s, and the last 6 of your dozen-ish dice for the damage, perhaps spend some 3s for the hits and look around for rerolls on the other four dice.

That's three turns worth of dice collecting. 24 damage... well half that after rolling to wound against a big target, and half that after a 4++ or similar level of protection.


I guess we'll have to see how it works out in the game. On the one hand being able to pull out the occasional 6 on demand is very powerful, other the other hand you don't get many (or necessarily any) and even if you managed to stock up on high dice i'm not convinced you are going to see any smashcaptain/chainlord/mortal wound aggressor spam type devastation, just brief and opportunistic boosts in wound rolls and the like.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/14/battle-sisters-on-the-battlefield-part-2gw-homepage-post-1/

Celestine's moving castle didnt make the jump, but there's some things in there that are looking quite toasty.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Just ordered my box set today. So pumped. Having never played them before, how many points can I expect out of the box set? I was thinking about 500?

Ordered it...from whom?

I pre-ordered it through my local GW store. He lets us put tabs on things that haven't arrived, if we help out with things. Battle tournaments, teaching new hobbyists day, painting classes, etc.

I feel like he might be breaking some form of rule. Just sayin



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Theres a nugget in there. Looks like there might be a Celestian model there. Definitely a sculpt I haven't seen.

 Jancoran wrote:
Theres a nugget in there. Looks like there might be a Celestian model there. Definitely a sculpt I haven't seen.

They showed Celestians in the previous one. They are just regular battle sisters with a fluer helmet swap.

A.T. wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Theres a nugget in there. Looks like there might be a Celestian model there. Definitely a sculpt I haven't seen.

They showed Celestians in the previous one. They are just regular battle sisters with a fluer helmet swap.

Naw im talking about this Sisters thats sort of shooting sideways.

 Jancoran wrote:
Naw im talking about this Sisters thats sort of shooting sideways.

3rd from the left? (clone of 2nd from the left)

Or 4th from the left (stormbolter)... that one does have a different shoulderpad design.

 Jancoran wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Just ordered my box set today. So pumped. Having never played them before, how many points can I expect out of the box set? I was thinking about 500?

Ordered it...from whom?

I pre-ordered it through my local GW store. He lets us put tabs on things that haven't arrived, if we help out with things. Battle tournaments, teaching new hobbyists day, painting classes, etc.

I feel like he might be breaking some form of rule. Just sayin

My store does the same thing with pre-orders. They have a signup list way in advance. Then they try to order enough to cover the list and stock the shelves. If the order comes in short, they dole them out based on the order people signed up on the list.

They auto add me to anything sisters. I didn't even know Novena was coming out in June until the store called me and told me my model was in.

A.T. wrote:

That's three turns worth of dice collecting. 24 damage... well half that after rolling to wound against a big target, and half that after a 4++ or similar level of protection.

looks like you also get to reroll them under some circumstances, so they will lean towards high or low depending on what you are looking for.
also some more mechanics to recycle or get more of them

Apologies if someone`s mentionned it before, but did anyone else notice how the Exorcist and Immolator now appears to have a Heavy Bolter hull mounted?

Got to wonder if it's going to have different weapon options like the Chimaera.

 Grundz wrote:
looks like you also get to reroll them under some circumstances, so they will lean towards high or low depending on what you are looking for.
also some more mechanics to recycle or get more of them

One reroll per turn as a relic.
One point recycle when used on a character, essentially trading a CP reroll for a fixed pre-roll.

A.T. wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
looks like you also get to reroll them under some circumstances, so they will lean towards high or low depending on what you are looking for.
also some more mechanics to recycle or get more of them

One reroll per turn as a relic.
One point recycle when used on a character, essentially trading a CP reroll for a fixed pre-roll.

depending on the definition you may be able to use it on a morale roll on purpose to trigger the "roll a one on morale" as well

 Grundz wrote:
depending on the definition you may be able to use it on a morale roll on purpose to trigger the "roll a one on morale" as well

The rules for gaining dice explicitly block gaining one from using an act of faith

A.T. wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
depending on the definition you may be able to use it on a morale roll on purpose to trigger the "roll a one on morale" as well

The rules for gaining dice explicitly block gaining one from using an act of faith

please quote the part from the book that disqualifies it

Then quote the part where I used a qualifier because we don't know one way or the other

It's fairly specific, isn't it?

"Valour: You roll an unmodified 1 for a Morale test on a unit with the Acts of Faith ability (without performing an Act of Faith to do so)"

So I'm assuming you mean that there's some ambiguity in whether spending a Miracle Dice counts as performing an Act of Faith. But I thought that Spending Miracle Dice = Acts of Faith had been confirmed by the web team?

 Grundz wrote:

A.T. wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
depending on the definition you may be able to use it on a morale roll on purpose to trigger the "roll a one on morale" as well

The rules for gaining dice explicitly block gaining one from using an act of faith

please quote the part from the book that disqualifies it

Then quote the part where I used a qualifier because we don't know one way or the other

Or you could just read the original article?

Hoc Est Bellum wrote:

So I'm assuming you mean that there's some ambiguity in whether spending a Miracle Dice counts as performing an Act of Faith. But I thought that Spending Miracle Dice = Acts of Faith had been confirmed by the web team?

They are going by the title of the article as well as frothing at the mouth at the opportunity to neckbeard at someone putting qualifiers in their statements because its not known if they could be true or not.

 Grundz wrote:
please quote the part from the book that disqualifies it

Sure. Give me a couple of weeks*


(*or months depending on availability)