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ValentineGames wrote:
Even if people are just base coating minis you're not gonna get them at affordable prices.

If someone is buying 10 GW models for £30 they'll probably want to get at least £50-60 for the time and trouble painting them. That's not including the cost of boxes, bubble wrap, postage etc.
Your looking at £70 for 10 little dudes

Its not about affordability its about value for money.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
Even if people are just base coating minis you're not gonna get them at affordable prices.

If someone is buying 10 GW models for £30 they'll probably want to get at least £50-60 for the time and trouble painting them. That's not including the cost of boxes, bubble wrap, postage etc.
Your looking at £70 for 10 little dudes

Its not about affordability its about value for money.

And if you want best value, you're better off avoiding having to pay for labour costs. It's not as simple as materials and quality. It's also about time, human labour, and the charge of "not doing it yourself".

It's why nearly all DIY projects are cheaper to do than hiring someone else to do it.

If you click on something that says 'pro-painted' and are disappointed when it isn't, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale that might interest you.

Adverts are all a thin tissue of lies. They call it 'puffery', but they're lies.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
Even if people are just base coating minis you're not gonna get them at affordable prices.

If someone is buying 10 GW models for £30 they'll probably want to get at least £50-60 for the time and trouble painting them. That's not including the cost of boxes, bubble wrap, postage etc.
Your looking at £70 for 10 little dudes

Its not about affordability its about value for money.

Cheap
Fast
Good

Pick two.

Guys, he's already stated he's willing to pay for labor, he just wants something that's not complete garbage for his money.

Are you talking base coated as in I just ran my airbrush over it once with one color or having the model blocked out. If you want the first one its probably going to take me about 30min-5hours per model depending on what I am working on. Then it depends on how many you want me to do. Say you want me to do 10 cultists with just a once over air brush. based on the above that is about five hours of work. If I charge minimum wage $7.50 that still comes out to about close to $40 of just labor fees. But guess what I am not going to charge minimum wage because I value my time I am going to charge you closer to $20 an hour because I got bills to pay. That ends up being close to $150 for materials and labor cost. And that is just for the once over with an airbrush to base coat. If you want actual colors blocked in that is going to probably be double that since I am painting to barely under table top quality.

 John Prins wrote:
Guys, he's already stated he's willing to pay for labor, he just wants something that's not complete garbage for his money.

It doesn't really come across that way. It's true that he/she says that he/she is willing to pay for labour, but everything else he/she says indicates that he/she wants his minis assembled, primed and basecoated well, quickly and impossibly cheap.

And it's apparently everyone else's fault that he/she can't find that.

Perhaps it is just me misinterpreting, or maybe it's poorly worded. Delvarius doesn't appear to have ever had a thought he/she didn't immediately post on Dakka.

Why don't you post a picture of the quality you're looking for?

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Its not about affordability its about value for money.

Students are what you're looking for.

They will work for beer money. If they've got a plastic crack habit to feed then even more so.


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 Excommunicatus wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
Guys, he's already stated he's willing to pay for labor, he just wants something that's not complete garbage for his money.

It doesn't really come across that way. It's true that he/she says that he/she is willing to pay for labour, but everything else he/she says indicates that he/she wants his minis assembled, primed and basecoated well, quickly and impossibly cheap.
And it's apparently everyone else's fault that he/she can't find that.

I'm not getting that. All of the comments about things being too expensive are all about things that are just awful and essentially worth nothing being sold at prices that would be fair for decent-good.

I think the reason a service like this doesnt exist is that the price people would want to pay wouldnt really be enough to make it worth it for the painter / assembler.

I bet you could find someone if you search through commision painters, some of the newer ones might be happy to cut you a good deal.

Blue table painting was one of the worst suggestions I have ever read though, do not go there, those folks could easily feth up a base coat.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Don't know if this is the right thread. Sometimes with my horde armies I'll look on ebay for models that are base painted so I can start painting them from there but you'll find people that obviously don't even water their paints or have never even heard of lining etc. selling their models for the most steel ball inflated prices like 3 times or more than the retail. Are there any good sites where you can buy base painted models etc. I mean ebay really is ridiculous for 40k you'll get people trying to sell a box set of something like 'here is an opened box set of mega nobz, I'm only selling them for the same price as you could get in GW, but with 3 pound for postage on top' bwahaahahaha

you are absolutely 100% correct on this dude, the sheer amount of pure "pro painted" garbage on Ebay is staggering.

You'll generally be paying at least twice as much for table top quality painted models vs NIB, possibly more.

Anybody who is offering painting services will simply need to charge at least that to make their money back for their time and materials.


Take a box of 10 tactical marines. Its going to take at least 3-4 hours total to paint them to a reasonable table top standard. Just color on all the different surfaces, cleaning up the lines and mistakes, etc... No decal or freehand work.

$40 for the miniatures themselves. 4 hours of work at say $14 an hour gives us $56. $10 for the actual paint. $106 for a 10 man Tactical squad is eminently reasonable for tabletop quality. And we'll probably have to add shipping too unless you live close enough to deliver and pick them up yourself.


Now of course. Buying miniatures second hand is not a good idea if you are looking for "Pro-painted". 99% of the stuff is definitely not propainted. Unless there are high quality pictures you are probably getting scammed, and even then you might still be. If you want actually well painted stuff, even just tabletop quality, you should have it commissioned yourself.


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 Rayvon wrote:

Blue table painting was one of the worst suggestions I have ever read though, do not go there, those folks could easily feth up a base coat.

Is BTP even still around? After the Chaos Dwarf lawsuit they kinda shriveled up. They still accepting orders?





If you want recommendations, there is this guy.

https://figurepainters.com/services/

I personally know him. Excellent all around. Though it seems that his lower level services are currently unavailable.

This is a miniature I had him do for me.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Ghool wrote:
Don't forget that eBay takes a nice cut of whatever you sell.
With the cost of materials, packing, boxes, and the time it takes to paint something, it's no surprise you don't find anyone worth their salt selling on there anymore.

I used to take commissions and sell on eBay. But it's not worth the trade off in time for money. At least what gamers expect to pay, which is about 10% of minimum wage for highly skilled labor.

Now I don't bother painting stuff for anyone else.

My suggestion is if you don't have the time to do some thing, but you really want it done, you find the time.

Good luck OP. But I really don't see your search yielding much.

I think 1st tier models are waaaaayyyyy under priced in the GW community, its a shame what these people make but for bare minimum based models the money isn't that bad. If the money was better I would love to do commissions but I'd never get my own models painted, plus it isn't a good idea to turn your passion into a job, I used to be a tattoo artist, I can't stand the sight of a tattoo machine now.

But my passion is my job - painting minis.
I've just managed to weaponize it and pay myself a decent wage without having to take commissions or sell my stuff. I paint 5 or 6 models a year as prizes for contests I run and the rest of the models are all mine.

It's a matter of leveraging your time and hobby so you can make a good trade of your time for money.
I still love looking at painted minis, even though I paint for money.

Check out Frontline gaming painting. They have a large gallery, and are really high quality. I've had a lot done from them. They can also purchase the product for you. They are a bit pricey though, just keep that in mind.

I second (third) the suggestions of going to local game stores and asking people if they'd take on the job for you. Try and find someone who you know a bit and know can meet the standard you want, and who would like the opportunity to get some extra money.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
Even if people are just base coating minis you're not gonna get them at affordable prices.

If someone is buying 10 GW models for £30 they'll probably want to get at least £50-60 for the time and trouble painting them. That's not including the cost of boxes, bubble wrap, postage etc.
Your looking at £70 for 10 little dudes

Its not about affordability its about value for money.

And if you want best value, you're better off avoiding having to pay for labour costs. It's not as simple as materials and quality. It's also about time, human labour, and the charge of "not doing it yourself".

It's why nearly all DIY projects are cheaper to do than hiring someone else to do it.

Are you that petty. Let it go. I never made any statements about wanting it done cheaper, the thread is about people posting gak on ebay and calling themselves 'pro-painters'


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 Excommunicatus wrote:
If you click on something that says 'pro-painted' and are disappointed when it isn't, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale that might interest you.

Adverts are all a thin tissue of lies. They call it 'puffery', but they're lies.

I don't click on them, you don't have to you can see the bad painting from the thumbnail, its the sea of 'pro-painted' that;s annoying.


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 Formosa wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Don't know if this is the right thread. Sometimes with my horde armies I'll look on ebay for models that are base painted so I can start painting them from there but you'll find people that obviously don't even water their paints or have never even heard of lining etc. selling their models for the most steel ball inflated prices like 3 times or more than the retail. Are there any good sites where you can buy base painted models etc. I mean ebay really is ridiculous for 40k you'll get people trying to sell a box set of something like 'here is an opened box set of mega nobz, I'm only selling them for the same price as you could get in GW, but with 3 pound for postage on top' bwahaahahaha

you are absolutely 100% correct on this dude, the sheer amount of pure "pro painted" garbage on Ebay is staggering.

Exactly, everyone on this thread is jumping to 'you have to expect to pay to get labour costs' completely missing what the OP actually said. Glad someone can read.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:


Are you that petty. Let it go. I never made any statements about wanting it done cheaper, the thread is about people posting gak on ebay and calling themselves 'pro-painters'.

Now, you see. This is a well trodden path as ACK-SHOE-ALLY they're technically telling the truth. Are they selling the models for money- yes or no?

They're providing a service in exchange for goods, ergo a professional. But, as we all know this hobby has it's own definition of what "professional" is that doesn't always sync up with the definition. If you're in this hobby long enough you should know what it means in the context of our hobby so there's no excuse. It has been going on since eBay has been a thing.

Ruin wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:


Are you that petty. Let it go. I never made any statements about wanting it done cheaper, the thread is about people posting gak on ebay and calling themselves 'pro-painters'.

Now, you see. This is a well trodden path as ACK-SHOE-ALLY they're technically telling the truth. Are they selling the models for money- yes or no?

They're providing a service in exchange for goods, ergo a professional. But, as we all know this hobby has it's own definition of what "professional" is that doesn't always sync up with the definition. If you're in this hobby long enough you should know what it means in the context of our hobby so there's no excuse. It has been going on since eBay has been a thing.

Yeah actually read the definition: 'engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as an amateur.' the definition can also be about its proficiency and if you can't paint you are an armature many amateurs can still get paid for what they do. Yeah its a well trodden path, so is bringing up things that have already been talked about lol I feel like talking about it again, you obviously are not, you're just here to act like an ass and show that you 'know its a well trodden path, aren't I great' I've been collecting since 2nd so go peddle that somewhere else where other people might be impressed. trying to impress people with how long you've been in the hobby. There is nothing impressive about it, its a child's hobby we should be ashamed of how long we've collected lol

So you've been collecting since 2nd ed. and are only just realising now, in 2018; that pro painted does not mean that in our hobby?

Delvarus Centurion wrote:Are you that petty. Let it go. I never made any statements about wanting it done cheaper, the thread is about people posting gak on ebay and calling themselves 'pro-painters'

But you're asking for "value for money". What kind of value do you expect? Look, I fully understand people making misleading comments about their work being "pro-painted" and charging for that "pro-painted" level, but you asked for base painted models. I want to understand what you actually expect to pay for assembled and based models.

Serious question: I've got an £18 unit of Cadians. I've assembled them according to the box art, and undercoated them using a spray can in your preferred colour (let's say Chaos Black). What is "value for money" here? Is it just the price of the unit from GW, just pre-assembled and ignoring all the time I've taken to build and spray them? Is it the price of the unit, PLUS labour costs, which could be almost double or triple the price of the unit themselves? Is it lower than that bare minimum, and means that I'm selling something for cheaper than what it took from me to make it?

Please, tell us what "value for money" is.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Delvarus Centurion wrote:Are you that petty. Let it go. I never made any statements about wanting it done cheaper, the thread is about people posting gak on ebay and calling themselves 'pro-painters'

But you're asking for "value for money". What kind of value do you expect? Look, I fully understand people making misleading comments about their work being "pro-painted" and charging for that "pro-painted" level, but you asked for base painted models. I want to understand what you actually expect to pay for assembled and based models.

Serious question: I've got an £18 unit of Cadians. I've assembled them according to the box art, and undercoated them using a spray can in your preferred colour (let's say Chaos Black). What is "value for money" here? Is it just the price of the unit from GW, just pre-assembled and ignoring all the time I've taken to build and spray them? Is it the price of the unit, PLUS labour costs, which could be almost double or triple the price of the unit themselves? Is it lower than that bare minimum, and means that I'm selling something for cheaper than what it took from me to make it?

Please, tell us what "value for money" is.

Like Ruin already said ITT-

Cheap
Fast
Good.

Pick two. You simply cannot have something that is all three.

As the thread has got a bit sidetracked here's some food for thought:



I believe that explains why some call their work pro-painted without being professional in quality.
(ps you can replace stupid with ignorant)





As for where to find pro painted undercoated models I do recall that there was an ebay group providing such a service at least a year or so back. I used to find them when hunting for tyranids every so often. So it is or has been out there, but I've on idea as to the quality or skill of their mould line leaning and assembly and spraying and I've no recollection of the prices as I just wasn't interested in what they were offering.

So it has been and might still be done. Thing is most people who get to a stage where they want pre-painted, typically want not just the undercoat but all the layering and details on top. It's probably hard for a company to charge a fair rate for undercoating and assembly only because the clean and assemble phase is quite tome consuming. When it comes with a pro paint job most assume its all the painting that takes the time, but good mould line cleaning can take a fair while too. I think its just a boring and ahrd product/service to market compared to the full paint job.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Delvarus Centurion wrote:Are you that petty. Let it go. I never made any statements about wanting it done cheaper, the thread is about people posting gak on ebay and calling themselves 'pro-painters'

But you're asking for "value for money". What kind of value do you expect? Look, I fully understand people making misleading comments about their work being "pro-painted" and charging for that "pro-painted" level, but you asked for base painted models. I want to understand what you actually expect to pay for assembled and based models.

Serious question: I've got an £18 unit of Cadians. I've assembled them according to the box art, and undercoated them using a spray can in your preferred colour (let's say Chaos Black). What is "value for money" here? Is it just the price of the unit from GW, just pre-assembled and ignoring all the time I've taken to build and spray them? Is it the price of the unit, PLUS labour costs, which could be almost double or triple the price of the unit themselves? Is it lower than that bare minimum, and means that I'm selling something for cheaper than what it took from me to make it?

Please, tell us what "value for money" is.

Like Ruin already said ITT-

Cheap
Fast
Good.

Pick two. You simply cannot have something that is all three.

Didn't ask for all three, said nothing about being cheap. Only that gak painted models 'should' be cheap.

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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Delvarus Centurion wrote:Are you that petty. Let it go. I never made any statements about wanting it done cheaper, the thread is about people posting gak on ebay and calling themselves 'pro-painters'

But you're asking for "value for money". What kind of value do you expect? Look, I fully understand people making misleading comments about their work being "pro-painted" and charging for that "pro-painted" level, but you asked for base painted models. I want to understand what you actually expect to pay for assembled and based models.

Serious question: I've got an £18 unit of Cadians. I've assembled them according to the box art, and undercoated them using a spray can in your preferred colour (let's say Chaos Black). What is "value for money" here? Is it just the price of the unit from GW, just pre-assembled and ignoring all the time I've taken to build and spray them? Is it the price of the unit, PLUS labour costs, which could be almost double or triple the price of the unit themselves? Is it lower than that bare minimum, and means that I'm selling something for cheaper than what it took from me to make it?

Please, tell us what "value for money" is.

And did you see the comment where I said I payed 3 times the retail for models that were no more than based, but were well done. No you like other people just want to turn this into a gaking match. You haven't even read the thread, because you wouldn't have asked that question if you did. You have a bee and your bonnet because we've had another argument before. so anything I'll comment I'll have you trying to find something negative about it like the other two. This happens all the time. This is why I just abandon threads a lot of the time, isn't worth the time.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
So you've been collecting since 2nd ed. and are only just realising now, in 2018; that pro painted does not mean that in our hobby?

Its never been an issue for me, I've heard the pro-painted memes but I've only as of this year started to buy painted models and have realised how bad it is, so I made a thread about it.

Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Didn't ask for all three, said nothing about being cheap. Only that gak painted models 'should' be cheap.

So your attitude is Good+Fast-Cheap. Nice.

But what kind of price are you thinking about? I just want to know what you mean by "value for money". Because value for money can imply very different things - it could be simply paying for all services rendered at face value, or it could be getting the product without factoring any of the labour costs involved.

And did you see the comment where I said I payed 3 times the retail for models that were no more than based, but were well done.

Yes, I did. But I want to know if you expect better than that. Which is why I'm asking what you think is "value for money".

No you like other people just want to turn this into a gaking match. You haven't even read the thread, because you wouldn't have asked that question if you did. You have a bee and your bonnet because we've had another argument before

Previous arguments mean nothing - this is a completely seperate thread. I don't care what's happened before, I just want clarification on what you're after in this one.

Yes, I know that you want well done models, but at what price is what I'm asking. You've bought some Orks before at three times value, but I want to know if that's something you'd be prepared to consistently pay. Please, instead of pinning antagonism on anyone you've had an issue with before, could you just answer some questions?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Didn't ask for all three, said nothing about being cheap. Only that gak painted models 'should' be cheap.

So your attitude is Good+Fast-Cheap. Nice.

But what kind of price are you thinking about? I just want to know what you mean by "value for money". Because value for money can imply very different things - it could be simply paying for all services rendered at face value, or it could be getting the product without factoring any of the labour costs involved.

And did you see the comment where I said I payed 3 times the retail for models that were no more than based, but were well done.

Yes, I did. But I want to know if you expect better than that. Which is why I'm asking what you think is "value for money".

No you like other people just want to turn this into a gaking match. You haven't even read the thread, because you wouldn't have asked that question if you did. You have a bee and your bonnet because we've had another argument before

Previous arguments mean nothing - this is a completely seperate thread. I don't care what's happened before, I just want clarification on what you're after in this one.

Yes, I know that you want well done models, but at what price is what I'm asking. You've bought some Orks before at three times value, but I want to know if that's something you'd be prepared to consistently pay. Please, instead of pinning antagonism on anyone you've had an issue with before, could you just answer some questions?

I don't want well done models as in master pieces, I just want models where the painters actually follow good painting techniques like 'watering paints' . You don't want to know what price I expect, a lot of commissioners will charge twice the retail for based models and I will pay more, so yeah previous arguments do matter 'to you'. If I'm willing to pay that why would I expect cheaper models, I mean come on. I wouldn't have paid for them in the first place if I didn't think they were value for money.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Didn't ask for all three, said nothing about being cheap. Only that gak painted models 'should' be cheap.

So your attitude is Good+Fast-Cheap. Nice.

But what kind of price are you thinking about? I just want to know what you mean by "value for money". Because value for money can imply very different things - it could be simply paying for all services rendered at face value, or it could be getting the product without factoring any of the labour costs involved.

And did you see the comment where I said I payed 3 times the retail for models that were no more than based, but were well done.

Yes, I did. But I want to know if you expect better than that. Which is why I'm asking what you think is "value for money".

No you like other people just want to turn this into a gaking match. You haven't even read the thread, because you wouldn't have asked that question if you did. You have a bee and your bonnet because we've had another argument before

Previous arguments mean nothing - this is a completely seperate thread. I don't care what's happened before, I just want clarification on what you're after in this one.

Yes, I know that you want well done models, but at what price is what I'm asking. You've bought some Orks before at three times value, but I want to know if that's something you'd be prepared to consistently pay. Please, instead of pinning antagonism on anyone you've had an issue with before, could you just answer some questions?

I don't want well done models as in master pieces, I just want models where the painters actually follow good painting techniques like 'watering paints' . You don't want to know what price I expect, a lot of commissioners will charge twice the retail for based models and I will pay more, so yeah previous arguments do matter 'to you'. If I'm willing to pay that why would I expect cheaper models, I mean come on. I wouldn't have paid for them in the first place if I didn't think they were value for money.

i know a few that sell models professionally for their day jobs, and none of them uses actual techniques such as wet blending, feathering, etc.. for something they are making just for sell (the ones that i know at least dont). Like SM Primaris units for an example. They will get a Box, airgun them, a nice highlight and paint the eyes/symbols, everything is a base color and then 1 highlight (gun and Shoulders are painted off the model). The goal is to get that unit down in 2 hours, with getting the Box set for 30% off, the 2 hour to paint it and asking for 10-20$ more more, they can make up to 18-20$ an hour (remember they still need to pay for supplies, space, taxes, etc..)

Everything they do is to be as fast and as cheap as they can.

Many "above" average painters see this and think they can do it and post on ebay instead of having a professional website.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Didn't ask for all three, said nothing about being cheap. Only that gak painted models 'should' be cheap.

So your attitude is Good+Fast-Cheap. Nice.

But what kind of price are you thinking about? I just want to know what you mean by "value for money". Because value for money can imply very different things - it could be simply paying for all services rendered at face value, or it could be getting the product without factoring any of the labour costs involved.

And did you see the comment where I said I payed 3 times the retail for models that were no more than based, but were well done.

Yes, I did. But I want to know if you expect better than that. Which is why I'm asking what you think is "value for money".

No you like other people just want to turn this into a gaking match. You haven't even read the thread, because you wouldn't have asked that question if you did. You have a bee and your bonnet because we've had another argument before

Previous arguments mean nothing - this is a completely seperate thread. I don't care what's happened before, I just want clarification on what you're after in this one.

Yes, I know that you want well done models, but at what price is what I'm asking. You've bought some Orks before at three times value, but I want to know if that's something you'd be prepared to consistently pay. Please, instead of pinning antagonism on anyone you've had an issue with before, could you just answer some questions?

I don't want well done models as in master pieces, I just want models where the painters actually follow good painting techniques like 'watering paints' . You don't want to know what price I expect, a lot of commissioners will charge twice the retail for based models and I will pay more, so yeah previous arguments do matter 'to you'. If I'm willing to pay that why would I expect cheaper models, I mean come on. I wouldn't have paid for them in the first place if I didn't think they were value for money.

i know a few that sell models professionally for their day jobs, and none of them uses actual techniques such as wet blending, feathering, etc.. for something they are making just for sell (the ones that i know at least dont). Like SM Primaris units for an example. They will get a Box, airgun them, a nice highlight and paint the eyes/symbols, everything is a base color and then 1 highlight (gun and Shoulders are painted off the model). The goal is to get that unit down in 2 hours, with getting the Box set for 30% off, the 2 hour to paint it and asking for 10-20$ more more, they can make up to 18-20$ an hour (remember they still need to pay for supplies, space, taxes, etc..)

Everything they do is to be as fast and as cheap as they can.

Many "above" average painters see this and think they can do it and post on ebay instead of having a professional website.

They do water their paints though. No base painted models are going to have blending etc.

@ OP:

So, model, assembly, base colours, no highlights, at 3x retail?

For example, a ten-man box of tacticals @ $50 CAD, purchased by yourself for $150?

Or are you looking for washes and highlights included in the $150? Are you looking for specific models / factions? Are you hoping for shipping to be included?

 greatbigtree wrote:
@ OP:

So, model, assembly, base colours, no highlights, at 3x retail?

For example, a ten-man box of tacticals @ $50 CAD, purchased by yourself for $150?

Or are you looking for washes and highlights included in the $150? Are you looking for specific models / factions? Are you hoping for shipping to be included?

No just base painted, but done well like water the paints that are used rather than clumps of paint that take away the detail. I've already stated this multiple times. Shipping costs a few quid I'll except that not included. Its not a money issue for me, just a time issue, all I was commenting on is the state of some of these models that are clumpy and awful on ebay that are priced like models that are showcase quality. Some of these models If I bought them I would literally have to strip and re-base them and then start painting.

What are you looking for in terms of models? There are some models that’s reasonable for like most basic marines, but that would be tougher for something like Orks where there are more textures and colours to work with, you know?

If the point of the thread is just to state your disappointment that there’s no defined “pro-painted” standard on eBay, that’s fine, but if you’re looking for something specific someone might be able to help you out if you let us know what you’re looking for.