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Well is he? I know that Slaanesh supposedly reincarnates him if he ever dies, taking the form of the individual who killed him if they take joy. Is this not a form of a perpetual? Was just a random thought I had.

Well, theoretically you could kill Lucius by, erm, killing him in a very no-nonsense stoic fashion and/or by killing him accidentally or unknowingly. By an orbital bombardment, for example.

I'd think mortality would be anathema to being Perpetual, but I'm not hugely 'up' on this stuff.

 Azza007 wrote:
Well is he? I know that Slaanesh supposedly reincarnates him if he ever dies, taking the form of the individual who killed him if they take joy. Is this not a form of a perpetual? Was just a random thought I had.

A perpetual is not just someone who's immortal, it's a very specific phenomenon. Luscious seems very different to any other perpetual so I don't think he is.

No, it's the power of a chaos god. Slaanesh didn't want one of shlis favourite toys dying. Not everything has to be a perpetual- you're sounding like Onething right now.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Well, theoretically you could kill Lucius by, erm, killing him in a very no-nonsense stoic fashion and/or by killing him accidentally or unknowingly. By an orbital bombardment, for example.

I'd think mortality would be anathema to being Perpetual, but I'm not hugely 'up' on this stuff.

He could presumably also die accidentally? Trip on the stairs or something.

 Stux wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Well, theoretically you could kill Lucius by, erm, killing him in a very no-nonsense stoic fashion and/or by killing him accidentally or unknowingly. By an orbital bombardment, for example.

I'd think mortality would be anathema to being Perpetual, but I'm not hugely 'up' on this stuff.

He could presumably also die accidentally? Trip on the stairs or something.

Now I have an image of Lucius slipping in the bath tub and snapping his neck.

Yes he is, or yes he was, after he died for the first time at sharrowkins hand he came back to life, the only things we know that can do that are perpetuals, then at some point this seems to have been twisted into the manner we know and love, either way it seems that angel exterminatus shows him to be a perpetual.

 Formosa wrote:
Yes he is, or yes he was, after he died for the first time at sharrowkins hand he came back to life, the only things we know that can do that are perpetuals, then at some point this seems to have been twisted into the manner we know and love, either way it seems that angel exterminatus shows him to be a perpetual.

In the current lore, as I said above, he should be able to die accidentally in relatively mundane ways (as far as anything that could kill a Chaos fuelled super soldier is mundane). If so, he's not a perpetual.

 Formosa wrote:
Yes he is, or yes he was, after he died for the first time at sharrowkins hand he came back to life, the only things we know that can do that are perpetuals, then at some point this seems to have been twisted into the manner we know and love, either way it seems that angel exterminatus shows him to be a perpetual.

Nope.

Lucius first appeared in the 3.5 CSM codex and there was no mention of him being a Perpetual (as such a stupid concept did not exist back then). You've got it bass ackwards. His original background has been twisted and retconned into him becoming one apparently if what you say is true.


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 Stux wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Yes he is, or yes he was, after he died for the first time at sharrowkins hand he came back to life, the only things we know that can do that are perpetuals, then at some point this seems to have been twisted into the manner we know and love, either way it seems that angel exterminatus shows him to be a perpetual.

In the current lore, as I said above, he should be able to die accidentally in relatively mundane ways (as far as anything that could kill a Chaos fuelled super soldier is mundane). If so, he's not a perpetual.

Ignoring the fact a well that his body comes back through the person that killed him. The "original" Lucius died millennia ago.

Lucias was saved by slaanesh directly, if he were a perpetual he'd of gotten back up where he fell but he was teleported to safety.

And he takes over the bodies of those that take pride in killing him, wouldn't need that it he was a perpetual.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Well, theoretically you could kill Lucius by, erm, killing him in a very no-nonsense stoic fashion and/or by killing him accidentally or unknowingly. By an orbital bombardment, for example.

I'd think mortality would be anathema to being Perpetual, but I'm not hugely 'up' on this stuff.

He could presumably also die accidentally? Trip on the stairs or something.

Now I have an image of Lucius slipping in the bath tub and snapping his neck.

And then the bathtub chuckles, and slowly Lucius reforms from the porcelain.

Lucius isn't a perpetual, he's just got another specific reincarnation shtick.

 Stux wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Well, theoretically you could kill Lucius by, erm, killing him in a very no-nonsense stoic fashion and/or by killing him accidentally or unknowingly. By an orbital bombardment, for example.

I'd think mortality would be anathema to being Perpetual, but I'm not hugely 'up' on this stuff.

He could presumably also die accidentally? Trip on the stairs or something.

There's a short story (can't remember the name) where he died by stepping on a land mine and the manufactorum worker planets away who helped build that specific mine slowly turned into Lucius

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Well, theoretically you could kill Lucius by, erm, killing him in a very no-nonsense stoic fashion and/or by killing him accidentally or unknowingly. By an orbital bombardment, for example.

I'd think mortality would be anathema to being Perpetual, but I'm not hugely 'up' on this stuff.

He could presumably also die accidentally? Trip on the stairs or something.

There's a short story (can't remember the name) where he died by stepping on a land mine and the manufactorum worker planets away who helped build that specific mine slowly turned into Lucius

Obviously he took great pride in his work.

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Well, theoretically you could kill Lucius by, erm, killing him in a very no-nonsense stoic fashion and/or by killing him accidentally or unknowingly. By an orbital bombardment, for example.

I'd think mortality would be anathema to being Perpetual, but I'm not hugely 'up' on this stuff.

He could presumably also die accidentally? Trip on the stairs or something.

There's a short story (can't remember the name) where he died by stepping on a land mine and the manufactorum worker planets away who helped build that specific mine slowly turned into Lucius

Is that an official story..? Seems kind of dumb.

Also, now Lucius is alone on an Imperium world. Worse, he slowly became himself. So presumably people noticed the transition. What happens next?

Nope.

Lucius first appeared in the 3.5 CSM codex and there was no mention of him being a Perpetual (as such a stupid concept did not exist back then). You've got it bass ackwards. His original background has been twisted and retconned into him becoming one apparently if what you say is true.

he "original" Lucius died millennia ago.

Why did you say nope then confirm exactly what I said.. thats very odd.

Anyway, what it was doesnt matter, what it is matters now, all we knew before was that he would come back absorbing his victim into his armour, we were never told exactly where this power came from and the usual codex info was very small, well now we know what that power is/was, as i dont think he is a perpetual in 40k anymore, I think that it has been twisted into something slaanesh likes.

I heard he took over a necron, which sounds like bs si ce necrons give the finger to chaos.

 Stux wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Well, theoretically you could kill Lucius by, erm, killing him in a very no-nonsense stoic fashion and/or by killing him accidentally or unknowingly. By an orbital bombardment, for example.

I'd think mortality would be anathema to being Perpetual, but I'm not hugely 'up' on this stuff.

He could presumably also die accidentally? Trip on the stairs or something.

There's a short story (can't remember the name) where he died by stepping on a land mine and the manufactorum worker planets away who helped build that specific mine slowly turned into Lucius

Is that an official story..? Seems kind of dumb.

Also, now Lucius is alone on an Imperium world. Worse, he slowly became himself. So presumably people noticed the transition. What happens next?

Found it, it was a short story in last years advent calendar. https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/pride-and-fall-ebook.html

Don't want to get into it in case it spoils it for anyone, but the legion was coming for him.

Lucius is not a perpetual. He simply has the patronage of Slaanesh which permits him to pull the Saturday cartoon villian Trazyn trick.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Lucius is not a perpetual. He simply has the patronage of Slaanesh which permits him to pull the Saturday cartoon villian Trazyn trick.

explain how he was killed and then came back to life then in the same manner as a perpetual and before he had the "patronage" of Slaanesh.

 Formosa wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Lucius is not a perpetual. He simply has the patronage of Slaanesh which permits him to pull the Saturday cartoon villian Trazyn trick.

explain how he was killed and then came back to life then in the same manner as a perpetual and before he had the "patronage" of Slaanesh.

Same way Kharne came back after the defeat at Terra.

Or maybe someone was smoking some reeeaaaaaalllll good weed nearby and the smell wafted over to him.

Kharn wasnt dead though, he was near death and then got up live and kicking when people spilled blood near him, dont recall Fabulous bill having a "adult" party nearby

 Formosa wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Lucius is not a perpetual. He simply has the patronage of Slaanesh which permits him to pull the Saturday cartoon villian Trazyn trick.

explain how he was killed and then came back to life then in the same manner as a perpetual and before he had the "patronage" of Slaanesh.

Because, a lot of the time, official GW stories make no sense whatsoever.

 Stux wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Lucius is not a perpetual. He simply has the patronage of Slaanesh which permits him to pull the Saturday cartoon villian Trazyn trick.

explain how he was killed and then came back to life then in the same manner as a perpetual and before he had the "patronage" of Slaanesh.

Because, a lot of the time, official GW stories make no sense whatsoever.

Couldn't agree more.

 Formosa wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Lucius is not a perpetual. He simply has the patronage of Slaanesh which permits him to pull the Saturday cartoon villian Trazyn trick.

explain how he was killed and then came back to life then in the same manner as a perpetual and before he had the "patronage" of Slaanesh.

Lucius had already gained the attention of the warp with his arrogance and exploits before receiving Slaanesh's blessing. So, Slaanesh directly resurrecting him the first time, and then adding the other elements of the curse later make more sense than his being a perpetual. Not that theirs much distinction anyway since perpetuals are explained by the warp did it as well.

Yeah, it likely all comes back to the warp either way. But I would still draw a distinction between a born perpetual and someone who won the favour of a Chaos god. They seem very different situations in the lore.

 Sersi wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Lucius is not a perpetual. He simply has the patronage of Slaanesh which permits him to pull the Saturday cartoon villian Trazyn trick.

explain how he was killed and then came back to life then in the same manner as a perpetual and before he had the "patronage" of Slaanesh.

Lucius had already gained the attention of the warp with his arrogance and exploits before receiving Slaanesh's blessing. So, Slaanesh directly resurrecting him the first time, and then adding the other elements of the curse later make more sense than his being a perpetual. Not that theirs much distinction anyway since perpetuals are explained by the warp did it as well.

could be could be, I dont see it though since he had none of the outward signs of corruption since that time (he is in crimson king), but its entirely plausible.

 Azza007 wrote:
Well is he? I know that Slaanesh supposedly reincarnates him if he ever dies, taking the form of the individual who killed him if they take joy. Is this not a form of a perpetual? Was just a random thought I had.

Oh god, the subject of Perpetuals has eaten 40k Background and now it's coming for General Discussion! Run for the Tactics forum! They can't get us there until GW releases Vulcan for 40k and all the Perpetual fans start complaining about why he doesn't have a Wounds stat of infinity!

I think perpetuals are different than Choas chosen. Khornate heroes are frequently brought back from death to keep fighting if I recall.

 vaklor4 wrote:
I think perpetuals are different than Choas chosen. Khornate heroes are frequently brought back from death to keep fighting if I recall.

Not as far as I am aware, well not as far as I can remember at any rate, do you have any examples ?

not being a dick just curious.

 Formosa wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
I think perpetuals are different than Choas chosen. Khornate heroes are frequently brought back from death to keep fighting if I recall.

Not as far as I am aware, well not as far as I can remember at any rate, do you have any examples ?

not being a dick just curious.

Kharn is the obvious one. There may be others.