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the_scotsman wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Considering that the plasma gunner was £6 when it was being sold eArlier this year, I found it very, very disappointing that it’s price is now £15.

I don’t know how GW can justify it. considering that I wanted to finish off my Vostroyons in this window and now feel that I’d be a fool to buy at these prices, I can’t help but feel that GW have shot themselves in the foot here.

A great shame. I am considering writing an email to GW about it, but I don’t think that any email that I sent them would make any difference whosoever.



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I mean, purchasing 6 individual plasma gunner troops would cost £90.

Whut?

Real talk it is incredibly easy to make a Melta out of the flamer sculpt and a plasma out of either a rifleman or the point sergeant (same pose as the scion plasma gunner for the point sarge)

Just buy the chains word sarge set a couple times. Use some spare plastic plasmas.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that it was real talk time.

Thanks for putting me straight!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In all seriousness, and I say this as the owner of a couple 100 metal IG and Necromunda it ain't easy to make that look good. It often looks like a lasgun with a plasma pistol or whatever glued to the end.

I once did it with an original plastic Orlock w/Shotgun and a 2nd Ed Space Marine Close Combat sprue Plasma Pistol.

Worked about as well as you'd imagine.

I have a good chunk of them. I want to spend about $1000 AU on what I want and if they have had given me a some time or notice to save it up I would have bought. But this time of year, no notice... I am buying zero :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((, the wife would kill me 10x over!

Probably sell my army when hype goes down cause if don't make any more whats the point (Ebay will be inflated for like 6 months or so). I will want to buy more and will now cost an arm and a leg or to much for my budget to handle so waste of army now (just hear the taunts of "you already have so many", so cutting it off before begin...)

If only I had of had some warning from GW I would have my Russian army and could convert some T-14's.

Did they bump up the price of one of the squads since they went up? I swear that the one with the Heavy Bolter was listed at 35usd and the one without was at 40usd, but now they are both the same. I was looking at other currencies and I swear that it was 100zl and 125zl, and now they are both 125zl (I have friend's in Poland, and the GW conversion rate for there still assumes 3zl to 1usd, plus the taxes are baked into the price - sometimes its cheaper for me to order through there and have them mail it to me).

kurhanik wrote:
Did they bump up the price of one of the squads since they went up? I swear that the one with the Heavy Bolter was listed at 35usd and the one without was at 40usd, but now they are both the same. I was looking at other currencies and I swear that it was 100zl and 125zl, and now they are both 125zl (I have friend's in Poland, and the GW conversion rate for there still assumes 3zl to 1usd, plus the taxes are baked into the price - sometimes its cheaper for me to order through there and have them mail it to me).

Yes, the firstborn squad increased from $35 to $40 overnight it seems. Shame they didn't 'correct' the pricing of the single figures at the same time.

Yep. Price has been bumped up today to make a bigger difference between the heavy / special weapon units and the bundle....

The more sensible option would have been to lower the special weapon unit prices slightly instead..

Aeneades wrote:
Yep. Price has been bumped up today to make a bigger difference between the heavy / special weapon units and the bundle....

The more sensible option would have been to lower the special weapon unit prices slightly instead..

Well thats a take, get the prices sorted before 1st listing them

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Man those prices for the special and heavy weapons is brutal. What the hell were they thinking?

That we'll blindly click "buy now" because they're "one week only".

If I were them, I would have not offered single models. Too much hassle.

 judgedoug wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Man those prices for the special and heavy weapons is brutal. What the hell were they thinking?

That we'll blindly click "buy now" because they're "one week only".

If I were them, I would have not offered single models. Too much hassle.

Not too much hassle at all at $25 per figure for a fig that costs them at most a couple of bucks to produce.

Was planing on buying some of these, but the prices (and that price shenanigan) make it a Nope...

T

I feel dirty for buying 2 of the single figures. But it was what I needed to finish out the whole range. Sorry guys for being a part of the problem.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
I feel dirty for buying 2 of the single figures. But it was what I needed to finish out the whole range. Sorry guys for being a part of the problem.

Don’t sweat it. Sometimes it’s unavoidable.

Also, two things. If these are ‘made to order’, shouldn’t the customer be able to order the individual minis they want from a series of ‘bundles’? Something like:

“Infantry squad bundle’ (sergeant, vox caster, choice of heavy weapon, choice of special weapon, choice of 5 lasgunners)
“Heavy weapon bundle’ (choice of 3 heavy weapon teams)
“Special weapon bundle’ (choice of 3 specials and 3 lasgunners)

That would probably be too expensive to justify though.

Also, I wish that back in the day GW designed a vostroyan melta gunner, autocannon and missile launcher. I always hated how the metals never had a full range.

 Commissar Benny wrote:
While I'm not a fan of the prices, I'm glad GW is giving players one last opportunity to purchase these. Hopefully they will do the same for all of the other OOP regiments.

Others already had made to order week before

Aeneades wrote:
Yep. Price has been bumped up today to make a bigger difference between the heavy / special weapon units and the bundle....

I'm more inclined to believe it was a data entry error, given that nothing else changed price, and just in case, foreign stores dont count.

The Firstborn squad went from £20.50 to £25, this would be logical if it was meant to be 25.00 in the first place, the 5 and 0 flipped.

I caved and bought the platoon and command squad. I might need to ebay a small amount of them, but for the most part it will serve my purposes for a planned regiment that has Valhallans as the boots on the ground and Vostroyans as the kitted out veterans.

Now we just need to get a Valhallan made to order event so I can get my hands on more of them. Preferably with more warning than a few days so I can plan my spending.

tneva82 wrote:

 Commissar Benny wrote:
While I'm not a fan of the prices, I'm glad GW is giving players one last opportunity to purchase these. Hopefully they will do the same for all of the other OOP regiments.

Others already had made to order week before

The one from 2-3 years ago? That was mostly out of production characters, a few long out of production special / heavy weapons, and Kasrkin. The regiments themselves were still all in production at the time.

Fictional wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
Yep. Price has been bumped up today to make a bigger difference between the heavy / special weapon units and the bundle....

I'm more inclined to believe it was a data entry error, given that nothing else changed price, and just in case, foreign stores dont count.

The Firstborn squad went from £20.50 to £25, this would be logical if it was meant to be 25.00 in the first place, the 5 and 0 flipped.

My guess is it was to make the two squads the same price. 35usd/100zl is what the Infantry Squad and Command Squad were listed at before they were removed earlier this year. When they were put back up for made to order, they kept the infantry squad with the heavy bolter and the command squad the same price they were at before delisting, but the other one was put at 40usd/125zl. Someone probably decided they should make the squads of 10 be the same price, and the GW answer is to bump up, rather than pull down.

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Not really the topic for this, maybe create one in the proper subforum instead?

Have they done a last chance to order to on the Pretorians yet?

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Have they done a last chance to order to on the Pretorians yet?

No. Maybe they don't have the moulds anymore as they weren't available for... um... two decades?

Ironically, the Pretorians were probably some of the most ‘guard’ minis the guard ever had. With some tweaks, I think the basic concept would still work today.

kurhanik wrote:

The one from 2-3 years ago? That was mostly out of production characters, a few long out of production special / heavy weapons, and Kasrkin. The regiments themselves were still all in production at the time.

Ah wel'l still means that those items wouldn't be coming back if gw intends to follow their last ever chance on texts


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 Dryaktylus wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Have they done a last chance to order to on the Pretorians yet?

No. Maybe they don't have the moulds anymore as they weren't available for... um... two decades?

Very unlikely. They seem pretty good at keeping old moulds so apart from physical breaking up still should have them. And if they have masters metal mould price is trivial anyway

I'm about to make a folly and crack my bank account on some Vostroyans.
I think the special weapons are out of the budget, at 20 € a piece.
For the same price, the heavy weapons teams are more interesting.
I think I will grab a lot of mortars, as they were not available from a long time.
For the squads, which one do you recommend getting ?
The "Firstborn" pack with heavy bolter and regular sergeant, or the "trooper" pack with basic officer as a sergeant and more lasgun riflemen ?
What about the big expensive platoon pack ?

As an aside does anybody know the number of unique Vostroyan lasgun toting grunt sculpts there are? And are they all covered in this "Made to order" release? Thanks in advance.

I believe it’s 6 unique troop sculpts, with this set containing one of each design -

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Astra-Militarum-Vostroyan-Firstborn-Squad-2018

I have grabbed my White Dwarf from may 2006, and I can confirm there were 6 original Vostroyans with lasguns.
They were already part of a squad box with the heavy bolter team, the flame thrower and the unique sergeant model.
Sculpted by Dave Thomas, Mike Anderson, Seb Perbet and Felix Paniagua.

tneva82 wrote:

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 Dryaktylus wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Have they done a last chance to order to on the Pretorians yet?

No. Maybe they don't have the moulds anymore as they weren't available for... um... two decades?

Very unlikely. They seem pretty good at keeping old moulds so apart from physical breaking up still should have them. And if they have masters metal mould price is trivial anyway

Sure, they could bring them back if they want to or if the mould are just damaged. They never did though and even used Mordians in an originally Pretorian scenario (wrote by JJ IIRC) in the Citadel Journal. So either they don't like them, were sued by by a British colonial club or the moulds were sold to an extremely eccentric Finnish billionaire (under the condition to never produce them again) who sunked them at the ground of a lake. Maybe there are other reasons. I don't know.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
I'm about to make a folly and crack my bank account on some Vostroyans.
I think the special weapons are out of the budget, at 20 € a piece.
For the same price, the heavy weapons teams are more interesting.
I think I will grab a lot of mortars, as they were not available from a long time.
For the squads, which one do you recommend getting ?
The "Firstborn" pack with heavy bolter and regular sergeant, or the "trooper" pack with basic officer as a sergeant and more lasgun riflemen ?
What about the big expensive platoon pack ?

Honestly, unless you only need very specific models, the platoon set seems to be the best bet. It has both sergeants, a goodly number of troopers, one of the mortars, a lascannon, 2 plasmaguns, 1 grenade launcher, and a flamer. In terms of the heavy/special weapons, for the cost of buying them individually, you get all of them, plus the rest of the platoon.

Now, if you need specific minis, things get different. If you just need lasguns, the trooper pack is better, while if you wanted heavy bolters, the set with the heavy bolter gets you extra models for a comparatively small amount more than buying the gun on its own. 25usd per heavy bolter vs 40usd per heavy bolter + 8 more guys. The only way buying any of the special/heavy weapons individually is worth it is if you needed a lot of that specific weapon. No point in buying 5 platoons if you only need 5 mortars, unless you plan on ebaying/swap shopping the rest of the pack to recoup the money spent.

To summarize:
-If you just want a start to Vostroyans but don't mind having a few gaps - Platoon + Command Squad
-If you want lots of lasgun troops - the set with the special sergeant has the most lasgunners per dollar
-Heavy Bolters and lasgunners - the set with the heavy bolter
-Any specific gun in very large quantities - bite the bullet and buy them individually, or get multiple platoon sets and part out what you don't want.

I've bitten the bullet, but did not took the full platoon. A mistake, maybe.
Too late for me.

My most expensive buy from GW, by far.

This is madness ?!?

No,
This is VOSTROYA !!!

I think if you have the money getting the following works out quite well:

1x command squad
2 x platoons
1 x firstborn squad (with just lasguns)
3 x firstborn squad (with the heavy bolter)
1 x lascannon
1 x mortar
and for flavour a couple of snipers maybe.

This gets you a couple of HQs (company commander from command squad and one of the spare sergeants), 6x infantry squads and 3 heavy weapons squads (3x lascannons, 3x heavy bolters, 3x mortars),
If you get the snipers you could make up a special weapons squad too with the few spare guardsmen and a sergeant and you end up with a few spare lasguns too, so could do a second command squad (with the medic and vox casters?). It also gives you lots of special weapons (inc 4x plasma), which are stupid expensive on their own.

This all adds up to around £330 though! I think you can get this for Cadians for around £200... and that's if you get it from GW. From your FLGS you could do it around £170.You will need to get fast attacks and a few more things for a reasonable army on top!!!! I suppose you could do it by popping in a few sentinels and maybe a single elite (like a priest) and you have a brigade detachment. That's still expensive though.

The Vostroyan ability means that lasguns and plasma guns are more powerful by adding 6" to their range and increasing rapid fire engagement range. It also benefits shorter range heavy weapons proportionally more than long range weapons, so is better for heavy bolters, rather than lascannons or mortars, but is potentially good for mortars as you will never have to move them and can hide them behind terrain.

I'd love to do it, but I have far too many other projects on the go. This would just get put into the loft for at least 6 months whilst I had the discipline to finish my existing projects. I guess I have less than one day to decide if I can be bothered with a patrol detachment maybe. Have we determined if these will be metal or resin?

TarkinLarson wrote:
Have we determined if these will be metal or resin?

They will be metal as they have not been produced in resin, most of the listings also say “This metal Made to Order kit”.

I wish we had had a heads up, there was just no way I could be ready to buy these guys the week after Christmas between my travel expenses to see family and bills.

It's like they didn't want people to buy them. If we'd had even a month's notice I'd probably have 2 platoons and a command squad lined up ready to go, and that's with me hating how they did the prices. I just love the models and always wanted a small platoon or two of them. At least the platoons are a pretty good deal since the special and heavy weapon prices on their own are ridiculously high. It just feels abusive when these models were so much cheaper just this year, not to mention even further back in the past.

Whoever planned this out needs to be flogged with a sock full of Vostroyans. They've been so good about giving us heads up for releases in the past year or so, why on Earth would you do something like this out of the blue after Christmas?