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Did they not state that tau and crons are not part of this. So maiby nids? Probanly the anti chaos one, Kronos, to keep them away. Also, Kronos is ripe for more fluff. Probably more faction rules for all races, bar crons and tau.
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Well, it's probably going to focus on Calgar v Abaddon, with maybe Guilliman and some Daemon Primarch raring to show up.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Niiai wrote: Did they not state that tau and crons are not part of this. So maiby nids? Probanly the anti chaos one, Kronos, to keep them away. Also, Kronos is ripe for more fluff. Probably more faction rules for all races, bar crons and tau.
It’s doubtful more factions will be involved.
They said not all factions will be in each campaign when they were listing no Tau and Necrons.
(But that there are two more campaigns planned/in the works, so everyone will get their time).
This is continuing this story, which once you’ve finished reading, I won’t spoil, seems to go in a set route/logical direction etc..
With hopefully more model releases to come..
(On a side note, just thought, future campaign with Necrons - could have the loyalist Primarch be released from the collection where he might be trapped could be a good route to get another one back..)
I would be extremely surprised if we don't see Necrons show up, since the planet in question has deposits of Blackstone present--the same material that has been primarily found on Necron Tomb Worlds.
Kanluwen wrote: I would be extremely surprised if we don't see Necrons show up, since the planet in question has deposits of Blackstone present--the same material that has been primarily found on Necron Tomb Worlds.
yeah but it's been hinted the blackstone is used as an ait-warp generator in this case, the world's another cadia. Which explains why Abbaddon's here. Vigilius is the world Abbaddon missed.
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usmcmidn wrote: I loved the fluff, not so much the new bad guy model. Step papa smurf looks great though.
Luckily they will be bringing out Abbadon for this campaign and that means he almost certainly is getting a new model. I think each vigilus book will pair with a major character release. So first is calgar, then I bet abby, then maybe someone else.
As for the book itself, the timeline makes no sense in a way that bothers me severely every time I think about it. The fluff is neat, but, like, the orks have been threatening to over run the big cities for 100 years and the book treats it like it was a serious existential threat from the second the bastion shields went down, and those went down when the cicatrix opened. It has been 100 years of SUPER HIGH INTENSITY with no sense of time passing.
Kanluwen wrote: I would be extremely surprised if we don't see Necrons show up, since the planet in question has deposits of Blackstone present--the same material that has been primarily found on Necron Tomb Worlds.
yeah but it's been hinted the blackstone is used as an ait-warp generator in this case, the world's another cadia. Which explains why Abbaddon's here. Vigilius is the world Abbaddon missed.
There's no "hinting" about it. We know that the material is what was used in all these instances.
We know that whatever the Blackstone is in this case? It's still likely to draw in the Necrons.
Some of the setup and writing for the background of the planet and campaign was nice. I just wish it wasn't about to devolve into a simple Marines vs. CSM (goodie vs. baddie) conflict. I would be more interested in a campaign where non-Marine factions were the main focus.
Iracundus wrote: Some of the setup and writing for the background of the planet and campaign was nice. I just wish it wasn't about to devolve into a simple Marines vs. CSM (goodie vs. baddie) conflict. I would be more interested in a campaign where non-Marine factions were the main focus.
I'd be a hard enough critic of badly done fluff (skipping the entire Indomitus Crusade... Cough cough) but I think this is a little unfair. Fully half the campaign involves Orks, Mechanicus, Guard, GSC with a smattering of Eldar thrown in. It might devolve into Black Legion vs Smurfs but GW have been a lot more restrained so far than I thought they would be.
I also like the little snippets about how distrustful the DA are about the Primaris and the differences between them and the Crimson Fists in that regard. The Crimson Fists going full Trump on the refugee column was also eye-opening. Really shows the 'baleful hand of the Emperor' side of Marines.
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Iracundus wrote: Some of the setup and writing for the background of the planet and campaign was nice. I just wish it wasn't about to devolve into a simple Marines vs. CSM (goodie vs. baddie) conflict. I would be more interested in a campaign where non-Marine factions were the main focus.
I'd be a hard enough critic of badly done fluff (skipping the entire Indomitus Crusade... Cough cough) but I think this is a little unfair. Fully half the campaign involves Orks, Mechanicus, Guard, GSC with a smattering of Eldar thrown in. It might devolve into Black Legion vs Smurfs but GW have been a lot more restrained so far than I thought they would be.
I disagree with this. It feels like Orks, Eldar, GSC, Mechanicus, Guard, Sisters and even other SM chapters to a degree are the bit players before the real actors show up in Black Legion and Smurfs. Which is exactly the age old problem.
Everything that happened before Calgar turned up was fixed within moments of his arrival. Then the 'real' threat in Haarken Worldmuncher turned up in dramatic fashion to show that this time it was for realsies.
It all felt too predictable and too Saturday morning cartoon for me. Like Black Legion are Megatron, Smurfs are Optimus Prime and the rest of the cast vary from Starscream at best to Grimlocke at worst. Or if you weren't a transformers fan - the Black Legion are Shredder, Smurfs are all of the TMNT and every other faction is Bebop, Rocksteady or April.
It would be nice if the writing was a little better and allowed the enemies of humanity to do something even when lieutenant papa smurf decides to make planet fall. Or perhaps a Guard regiment/SOB order/other SM chapter could save the Ultramarines once in a while?
Most space opera is saturday morning cartoons. I disagree about it only being about chaos and ultramarines. The war of beasts pase 2 and 3 on page 48/49 100/101 show a lot of diversaty in the factions.
Also, chaos has several sub factions, as well as sub factions of astartes.
Niiai wrote: Most space opera is saturday morning cartoons. I disagree about it only being about chaos and ultramarines. The war of beasts pase 2 and 3 on page 48/49 100/101 show a lot of diversaty in the factions.
Also, chaos has several sub factions, as well as sub factions of astartes.
Yeah agreed claiming it's "just chaos vs smurfs" suggests someone's barely read the fluff, Calgar hardly showed up and solved all the problems. Vigiulus is STILL a mess (in fact Calgar's main contribution seems to have been holding back because he looked ahead at the script and knew chaos was coming )
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Yeah. Everything is going to hell in a handbasket. All branches of goverment corrupted from within. Failing shields and fun loving orks without. I am not blaming calgar for not fighting on all fronts, especialy with GSC. The main consern is making sure they have water as that is what the GSC have been targetting, as well as blowing up a huge artilley.
And then chaos has started targetting most of the tall buildings where the aristocracy where. The plague marines still being at large.
Aeldari are having fun. And the eldar got a chip on their shoulder, they even cane close to busting inn a counsil meeting. In the end the helldrake beat them to it.
Based on GW stating necrons and tau not breing pressent here I am suspecting some strain of Nids are showing up in the next supplement. Drawn by the GSC. Also nids to not want chaos to get a better foothold in this realaty.
The theme of the next one will be abbadon on one side, calgar on another and all factions bar necron and tau in between. It will be a prelude to abbadon vs guliman later on.
I suspect the next supplement will be chaos centric, if we assume campaign supplemnents are made to sell additional models, and rules let's look at vigilus defiant and make some predictions.
given the number of specialist detachments in the book, I'd guess that the chaos invasion won't just be black Legion, but a full blown invasion by multiple legions lead by the Black Legion, my guess is they'll have the black legion, death guard, 1k sons, Emepror's Children and World Eaters show up. with special detachments for all.
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On further fine reading, I noticed one nice bit of subtle detail.
In the Adeptus Mechanicus section on p. 90, it said the Adeptus Mechanicus beat back a GSC and Tzeentchian cult attack in Storvhal around a power hub, but that if the cult leader Vannadan had been present they would have lost. Vannadan had been assassinated by forces from Saim-Hann due to Farseer Keltoc having seen that otherwise a magma eruption would be triggered in Storvhal that would lead to a chain reaction destroying much of the planet's war council.
So in other words, Saim-Hann altered the future, assassinating Vannadan so that the Adeptus Mechanicus would win a battle they would otherwise have lost, which would have led to the decapitation of the Imperium's war council. The Imperium would not know of the prevented future, and neither would readers unless they pieced together these details.
And that is a winn for the Eldars. Just like the Doom of Mymeria (?) the imperium and the SW felt like winners brcause they drove the Eldar back. Except the Inquisitor that suspects they resurected a long lost Phoenix lord. I really like thise smaller victories.
But back to Vigulus, there is just so much going on. Rogue traders, imperial guards, sisters, admech and several SM chapters. Orks, and GSC cults. Eldarian and Drukari going on raids. Several chaos factions, including the fire cult and the herrald of abbadon. My favoret got to be the deatguard pale horse of a spaceship that makes plannet fall. Busts open bloated curpses outvof the walkway. Until the DG busts out and sumberge in the undercity. And then strange patogens are abound.
I've not got through it all yet but I think it's actually a quality book so far, quite liking the battle for the scrap cities between the Knights backed up by scars and cowardly ravenwing !
I’m not sure why everyone is convinced Tyranids are in the next..
(With GW saying not all factions appear in all campaigns, I think them mentioning Tau and Necrons there were just examples/someone asked about those specifically even?)
Also bear in mind Why the GSC went loud.
(Normally due to the Nids coming)
The attack on the planet, risking undoing all their hard work, meaning they had to rise up - as opposed to it being the Right Time..
There was a statement that not all factions well feature in every book. Vigulus for instance would bot have tau or necrons. The ommision implied tyranids.
Im abut 35 pages in and the writing is pretty decent so far.
Its much above the absolute train wrecks of the end of 7th with the Battle of Baal books and the Ycarne/Gullyman rebirth trilogy but isnt on par with the WHFB End Times books (which I thought were really top notch).
It still swings a bit too much from "the imperium desperately on the back foot" to "space marines reinforce and fight back" and the timeline is a bit disjointed throughout.
However its quite an indepth look at the phases of the Vigilus war and does bring a sense of epicness to it all. Some nice little teasers too like the gellerpox getting outside the system and the Eldar duplicity etc.
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By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
If anything, I think there are way too many factions involved. It's all a bit silly really. Sure it's easy to imagine dozens of different factions fighting in a 20th century like World War, but consider that almost all of the factions on Vigilus are space faring. I mean, are the fleets all just sitting around within safe distance from each other, all deploying reinforcements to the surface without blowing them up before they land, or are they all shredding the piss out of each other relentlessly in orbit.
The former is silly whereas the latter just seems unsustainable, or at least where the real action is happening.
Tend to agree on that point. Ive said before it would have been much more believable if it was set throughout the entire Vigilus system - multiple worlds, multiple jump points etc.
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Ratius wrote: Im abut 35 pages in and the writing is pretty decent so far.
Its much above the absolute train wrecks of the end of 7th with the Battle of Baal books and the Ycarne/Gullyman rebirth trilogy but isnt on par with the WHFB End Times books (which I thought were really top notch).
It still swings a bit too much from "the imperium desperately on the back foot" to "space marines reinforce and fight back" and the timeline is a bit disjointed throughout.
However its quite an indepth look at the phases of the Vigilus war and does bring a sense of epicness to it all. Some nice little teasers too like the gellerpox getting outside the system and the Eldar duplicity etc.
The imperium on the back foot. I still stand by a comment I made on a primarch returns thread
"Remember the people writing the campaigns are 5 year old's getting excited about good guys almost losing and pulling stuff out their arse in the last minute. (INB4 they aren;t 5 year olds you're just a hater. I don't mean this negatively but their good writing on focusing on the novels, their campaigns have always been somewhat predictable)
Bobby G will be nearly run over, All four major Chaos god primarchs have returned, Mortarion, Fulgrim, Angron, Magnus and a new Chaos Primaris Abaddon at the Helm of the black legion, all looks bleak and dire for imperium of man. wooo chaos!
But then, in the last hour of need as bobby G faces death as the blade of Fulgrim falls down on him he's still alive. He opens his eyes and infront of him a giant shield weilded by a golden locks giant. The lion his most unlikely brother has returned to save him. Lion armed with Relics of old caliban to hunt the fallen embraced both old caliban and imperium might. Sword and Shield in hand.
Meanwhile Russ to his right is battling Magnus and Khan to his left fighting Mortarion armed with webway technology. The lion piks up his brother as they together take on Angron and Fulgrim. "
Ratius wrote: Im abut 35 pages in and the writing is pretty decent so far.
Its much above the absolute train wrecks of the end of 7th with the Battle of Baal books and the Ycarne/Gullyman rebirth trilogy but isnt on par with the WHFB End Times books (which I thought were really top notch).
It still swings a bit too much from "the imperium desperately on the back foot" to "space marines reinforce and fight back" and the timeline is a bit disjointed throughout.
However its quite an indepth look at the phases of the Vigilus war and does bring a sense of epicness to it all. Some nice little teasers too like the gellerpox getting outside the system and the Eldar duplicity etc.
The imperium on the back foot. I still stand by a comment I made on a primarch returns thread
"Remember the people writing the campaigns are 5 year old's getting excited about good guys almost losing and pulling stuff out their arse in the last minute. (INB4 they aren;t 5 year olds you're just a hater. I don't mean this negatively but their good writing on focusing on the novels, their campaigns have always been somewhat predictable)
Bobby G will be nearly run over, All four major Chaos god primarchs have returned, Mortarion, Fulgrim, Angron, Magnus and a new Chaos Primaris Abaddon at the Helm of the black legion, all looks bleak and dire for imperium of man. wooo chaos!
But then, in the last hour of need as bobby G faces death as the blade of Fulgrim falls down on him he's still alive. He opens his eyes and infront of him a giant shield weilded by a golden locks giant. The lion his most unlikely brother has returned to save him. Lion armed with Relics of old caliban to hunt the fallen embraced both old caliban and imperium might. Sword and Shield in hand.
Meanwhile Russ to his right is battling Magnus and Khan to his left fighting Mortarion armed with webway technology. The lion piks up his brother as they together take on Angron and Fulgrim. "
could be a good route to get another one back..)
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and faithful, they would have routed out the cult long ago.
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