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Ratius wrote: Im abut 35 pages in and the writing is pretty decent so far.
Its much above the absolute train wrecks of the end of 7th with the Battle of Baal books and the Ycarne/Gullyman rebirth trilogy but isnt on par with the WHFB End Times books (which I thought were really top notch).
It still swings a bit too much from "the imperium desperately on the back foot" to "space marines reinforce and fight back" and the timeline is a bit disjointed throughout.
However its quite an indepth look at the phases of the Vigilus war and does bring a sense of epicness to it all. Some nice little teasers too like the gellerpox getting outside the system and the Eldar duplicity etc.
The imperium on the back foot. I still stand by a comment I made on a primarch returns thread
"Remember the people writing the campaigns are 5 year old's getting excited about good guys almost losing and pulling stuff out their arse in the last minute. (INB4 they aren;t 5 year olds you're just a hater. I don't mean this negatively but their good writing on focusing on the novels, their campaigns have always been somewhat predictable)
Bobby G will be nearly run over, All four major Chaos god primarchs have returned, Mortarion, Fulgrim, Angron, Magnus and a new Chaos Primaris Abaddon at the Helm of the black legion, all looks bleak and dire for imperium of man. wooo chaos!
But then, in the last hour of need as bobby G faces death as the blade of Fulgrim falls down on him he's still alive. He opens his eyes and infront of him a giant shield weilded by a golden locks giant. The lion his most unlikely brother has returned to save him. Lion armed with Relics of old caliban to hunt the fallen embraced both old caliban and imperium might. Sword and Shield in hand.
Meanwhile Russ to his right is battling Magnus and Khan to his left fighting Mortarion armed with webway technology. The lion piks up his brother as they together take on Angron and Fulgrim. "
What about Corax? He's not invited?
No Corax is being Batman somewhere. Maybe infiltrating and going after Abaddon. Who by this point has been beefed up.
That plot/theme is used all the time, everywhere. Yeah it's kind of lame and overused, but there's an undeniable appeal. Writing stories like that does not translate to lack of skill or maturity in writing, it is just a safe bet on appeal. How well that theme plays out is what matters.
I'm reading it at the moment, and I like the book for the most part, though I would say that there are too many imperial fractions involved. Seriously, Ultramarines, Space Wolfs, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, White Scars, Dark Angels - just to name the first founding... First of all, isn't it strange that all of them could be in one place at the same time? Ok, this could probably be explaind by the strategic importance of Vigilus and the fact that it is the only available transition point between the two parts of the Imperium. But then secondly, shouldn't all these chapters be able to deal with orks, genestealers and Eldar in one day? I mean ok, it is heavily implied that Calgar received some visions from Tigurius, and that he is assembling a really large force (to meet Abaddon in the second book, I guess), but it is described as though marines were having some difficulties with orks and nids and elfs even before the main force of Chaos arrived... That seems a little bit strange for me, maybe I missed something. It would be great probably if, for example, the book had concentrated on orks or genestealers a little bit more, explaining why the greenskin threat was so serious and why it wasn't obliterated quickly.
every time a major threat shows up massive amounts of chapters have a presence, both cadia and the 3rd war for argmageddon had at one time or another nearly every first founding chapter represented
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
RedMenaceEternal wrote: I'm reading it at the moment, and I like the book for the most part, though I would say that there are too many imperial fractions involved. Seriously, Ultramarines, Space Wolfs, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, White Scars, Dark Angels - just to name the first founding... First of all, isn't it strange that all of them could be in one place at the same time? Ok, this could probably be explaind by the strategic importance of Vigilus and the fact that it is the only available transition point between the two parts of the Imperium. But then secondly, shouldn't all these chapters be able to deal with orks, genestealers and Eldar in one day? I mean ok, it is heavily implied that Calgar received some visions from Tigurius, and that he is assembling a really large force (to meet Abaddon in the second book, I guess), but it is described as though marines were having some difficulties with orks and nids and elfs even before the main force of Chaos arrived... That seems a little bit strange for me, maybe I missed something. It would be great probably if, for example, the book had concentrated on orks or genestealers a little bit more, explaining why the greenskin threat was so serious and why it wasn't obliterated quickly.
You litterally actually dont believe that its possible for orks and eldar to resist space marines for even a moment? Orks are considered to be one of humanity's greatest rivals because of their superior physique and number. And Eldar didnt rule the galaxy because they are push overs. Black Library and GW use Eldar as punching bags but when youve read Eldar done right you will know that its done right. Hell, realistically, Eldar should be even more difficult to defeat than Chaos Marines. Its pathetic the way Eldar are portrayed. The Tau are a weak race and GW always seem to get them mixed up. Eldar are manipulative masterminds, not Tau. They have much more experience than humanity and are physically superior. Tau are naive and are physically inferior- slower reaction times make for a weaker soldier.
Removed, Rule #1 is not optional - BrookM
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"Racist and Proud of it" - Gains fleshbane, rending, rage, counter-attack, and X2 strength and toughness when locked in combat with units not in the "Imperium of Man" faction.
RedMenaceEternal wrote: I'm reading it at the moment, and I like the book for the most part, though I would say that there are too many imperial fractions involved. Seriously, Ultramarines, Space Wolfs, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, White Scars, Dark Angels - just to name the first founding... First of all, isn't it strange that all of them could be in one place at the same time? Ok, this could probably be explaind by the strategic importance of Vigilus and the fact that it is the only available transition point between the two parts of the Imperium. But then secondly, shouldn't all these chapters be able to deal with orks, genestealers and Eldar in one day? I mean ok, it is heavily implied that Calgar received some visions from Tigurius, and that he is assembling a really large force (to meet Abaddon in the second book, I guess), but it is described as though marines were having some difficulties with orks and nids and elfs even before the main force of Chaos arrived... That seems a little bit strange for me, maybe I missed something. It would be great probably if, for example, the book had concentrated on orks or genestealers a little bit more, explaining why the greenskin threat was so serious and why it wasn't obliterated quickly.
You litterally actually dont believe that its possible for orks and eldar to resist space marines for even a moment? Orks are considered to be one of humanity's greatest rivals because of their superior physique and number. And Eldar didnt rule the galaxy because they are push overs. Black Library and GW use Eldar as punching bags but when youve read Eldar done right you will know that its done right. Hell, realistically, Eldar should be even more difficult to defeat than Chaos Marines. Its pathetic the way Eldar are portrayed. The Tau are a weak race and GW always seem to get them mixed up. Eldar are manipulative masterminds, not Tau. They have much more experience than humanity and are physically superior. Tau are naive and are physically inferior- slower reaction times make for a weaker soldier.
Removed, Rule #1 is not optional - BrookM
Removed - BrookM
try this.
While Space Marines are potent, their foes can often be equally potetant, eldar field advanced weaponry, orks being as tough and strong as marines, and GSCs being sneaky buggers. Vigilus was a major battlefield, more then a single chapter could hope to manage itself, and on worlds such as these multiple chapters coming together isn't rare and unheard of. An Ork Waagh itsel;f is a signfcigent threat that can sometimes take years and dozens of marine chapters to combat,. see Armageddon as an example. So the difficulty with uprooting these Xenos threats isn't exactly that odd. especially when you consider that the IoM was fighting effectively a 4 front war on the planet.
See how much more polite that was?
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