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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/30 17:10:58
Subject: Question regarding allowable army units.
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Hey fellas, I still get quite boggled about what can be used in an army and does not have to be in a separate detachment.
For example, on battlescribe, when you go under HQs and Elite units there are often things I can include in my SW detachments that are not in the codex, Primaris Command Rhino is one, and I believe it includes all FW models also.
Where are these models rules? and can they simply be incorporated in any SW detachment?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/30 17:16:40
Subject: Re:Question regarding allowable army units.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I suspect battlescribe contains units from Imperial Armour books and other forgeworld units as well as supplements. The way the rules are currently written it varies. In open play you can take anything, but remember the idea that your opponent should be having fun too, so maybe ask first on some really out there stuff. As to organization charts, there are no limitations on which book the unit comes from, as long as it is an approved book for 40k 8th edition (basically put out by GW/FW I believe.
I know its not a perfect answer, but part of the games draw is the wide variety of available units (this is also a drawback if balance is your concern).
Edit: forgot to say, remember the real decider on what can go in a detachment is the KEYWORDS system. It has rules, faqs and exceptions. If you are building a Space Wolves detachment, and a unit has the Space Wolves or (space marine chapter) thing, it is good. SOme armies can take units in a detachment who do not have the same keyword (like Imperial guard can add Ogrynns, or psychers etc) by specific rules giving them that exception.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/30 17:20:41
Subject: Re:Question regarding allowable army units.
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Imperial-Armour-Index-Adeptus-astartes-2017
Any unit in that rulebook with the <CHAPTER> tag can be used in any SW detachment. The primaris command rhino is a FW model, and its in there.
Units which arent in the SW codex anymore can be used from the index imperium 1 or 2 (where ever SW are), with the points from the index.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/30 17:36:12
Subject: Re:Question regarding allowable army units.
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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p5freak wrote:https://www.forgeworld.co. uk/en- DE/Imperial-Armour-Index-Adeptus-astartes-2017
Any unit in that rulebook with the <CHAPTER> tag can be used in any SW detachment. The primaris command rhino is a FW model, and its in there.
Units which arent in the SW codex anymore can be used from the index imperium 1 or 2 (where ever SW are), with the points from the index.
Correction: The "Primaris Command Rhino" was a limited-edition model in 7th released in a "Space Marine command tanks" box alongside the Land Raider Excelsior; if they're in Battlescribe there are probably 8e rules for them somewhere but I think they're still in the 40k Index Imperium 1, not the FW book. I also don't know if you can still find the model, but if you can't the Damocles Command Rhino (which is a similar Forge World model) should still be available and both has its own rules and would probably make an acceptable proxy.
Addendum: Have located the "Rhino Primaris" datasheet in the 40k Index; it is better than a Damocles (its orbital bombardment is more reliable, its support ability is way better ("This Hellblaster unit gets +1 to hit this turn!" instead of "Sometimes I generate extra CP if my Warlord sits in the Damocles all game!"), and its secondary weapon is a twin plasma gun) for a very similar cost, and it is indeed on the list of things Space Wolves can use. You still probably can't find the model but scratch-building a giant radar dish and a pintle twin plasma gun to stick on top of a Rhino isn't going to be that difficult.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/30 17:53:07
Subject: Re:Question regarding allowable army units.
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Lieutenant General
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The Primaris Rhino and Land Raider Excelsior were Warhammer World exclusives and are not from Forge World. Their rules are found in Index Imperium 1.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/30 21:50:47
Subject: Re:Question regarding allowable army units.
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Ghaz wrote:The Primaris Rhino and Land Raider Excelsior were Warhammer World exclusives and are not from Forge World. Their rules are found in Index Imperium 1.
Thats true. My fault. I mistaken it for the Damocles Command Rhino.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/31 00:32:35
Subject: Re:Question regarding allowable army units.
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Fixture of Dakka
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AnomanderRake wrote: p5freak wrote:https://www.forgeworld.co. uk/en- DE/Imperial-Armour-Index-Adeptus-astartes-2017
Any unit in that rulebook with the <CHAPTER> tag can be used in any SW detachment. The primaris command rhino is a FW model, and its in there.
Units which arent in the SW codex anymore can be used from the index imperium 1 or 2 (where ever SW are), with the points from the index.
Correction: The "Primaris Command Rhino" was a limited-edition model in 7th released in a "Space Marine command tanks" box alongside the Land Raider Excelsior; if they're in Battlescribe there are probably 8e rules for them somewhere but I think they're still in the 40k Index Imperium 1, not the FW book. I also don't know if you can still find the model, but if you can't the Damocles Command Rhino (which is a similar Forge World model) should still be available and both has its own rules and would probably make an acceptable proxy.
Addendum: Have located the "Rhino Primaris" datasheet in the 40k Index; it is better than a Damocles (its orbital bombardment is more reliable, its support ability is way better ("This Hellblaster unit gets +1 to hit this turn!" instead of "Sometimes I generate extra CP if my Warlord sits in the Damocles all game!"), and its secondary weapon is a twin plasma gun) for a very similar cost, and it is indeed on the list of things Space Wolves can use. You still probably can't find the model but scratch-building a giant radar dish and a pintle twin plasma gun to stick on top of a Rhino isn't going to be that difficult.
Oh, you can find the model/upgrade sprue on occasion. It'll just be damnably expensive....
The rhino itself is just the standard kit. The Primaris bitz are all contained on 1 extra sprue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/31 02:54:24
Subject: Re:Question regarding allowable army units.
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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ccs wrote: AnomanderRake wrote: p5freak wrote:https://www.forgeworld.co. uk/en- DE/Imperial-Armour-Index-Adeptus-astartes-2017
Any unit in that rulebook with the <CHAPTER> tag can be used in any SW detachment. The primaris command rhino is a FW model, and its in there.
Units which arent in the SW codex anymore can be used from the index imperium 1 or 2 (where ever SW are), with the points from the index.
Correction: The "Primaris Command Rhino" was a limited-edition model in 7th released in a "Space Marine command tanks" box alongside the Land Raider Excelsior; if they're in Battlescribe there are probably 8e rules for them somewhere but I think they're still in the 40k Index Imperium 1, not the FW book. I also don't know if you can still find the model, but if you can't the Damocles Command Rhino (which is a similar Forge World model) should still be available and both has its own rules and would probably make an acceptable proxy.
Addendum: Have located the "Rhino Primaris" datasheet in the 40k Index; it is better than a Damocles (its orbital bombardment is more reliable, its support ability is way better ("This Hellblaster unit gets +1 to hit this turn!" instead of "Sometimes I generate extra CP if my Warlord sits in the Damocles all game!"), and its secondary weapon is a twin plasma gun) for a very similar cost, and it is indeed on the list of things Space Wolves can use. You still probably can't find the model but scratch-building a giant radar dish and a pintle twin plasma gun to stick on top of a Rhino isn't going to be that difficult.
Oh, you can find the model/upgrade sprue on occasion. It'll just be damnably expensive....
The rhino itself is just the standard kit. The Primaris bitz are all contained on 1 extra sprue.
The trick is to get on a wargaming/loot group somewhere and find people willing to get you one direct, so you just pay for the cost of the box+shipping. Might have to have other collectibles to trade, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/31 04:15:29
Subject: Question regarding allowable army units.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The primaris rhino/land raider are still available. They're warhammer world exclusive models. Meaning you have to physically visit warhammer world in the UK in order to buy them.
They also sometimes sell them at conventions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/31 08:15:10
Subject: Question regarding allowable army units.
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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Kromlech has a Radar dish for Rhinos if I recall correctly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/31 11:37:04
Subject: Question regarding allowable army units.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Arson Fire wrote:The primaris rhino/land raider are still available. They're warhammer world exclusive models. Meaning you have to physically visit warhammer world in the UK in order to buy them.
Or talk nicely to someone who lives near to - or is planning on visiting - Warhammer World.
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