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2018/12/31 02:40:19
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
With shows and film series like "The Mandalorian", the Cassian Andor spinoff, the Rian Johnson trilogy (for better or for worse) and the David Benioff/D. B. Weiss project in the works, it got me thinking. What old factions from Legends would you like to see either get re-canonized, rebooted or expanded upon in upcoming Star Wars factions? Personally, I'd like to see if the New Separatist Union was successful in getting their independence and maybe reestablishing the Confederacy of Independent Systems. (Perhaps the NSU could play a role of some kind in Episode IX, but maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.)
Keep in mind that this is just a general Star Wars faction discussion not related to any one particular project. But I've almost always wished that other factions besides the big two of each trilogy (Galactic Republic vs Separatist Alliance, Rebel Alliance vs Galactic Empire, Resistance vs First Order) got some spotlight as well. I wouldn't even mind if flags were introduced into the franchise (they kind of did already with the first order, but in the form of a hanging banner reminiscent of Nazi Germany's banner.)
What I like about 40k is that it truly is a multi-polar world in regards to interstellar foreign relations whereas Star Wars tends to be a bi-polar astropolitical affair as far as the trilogies are concerned. For once, I'd like to see multiple space faring civilizations interacting with or fighting each other in the galaxy far, far away instead of just two major ones. Whether they'd be able to do that via the small screen or big screen, I don't know, but whatever format is most effective for setting up multiple galactic powers within the Star Wars universe is fine by me.
Anyways, that's my two cents on the matter. So please feel free to list off all the Legends Interplanetary Governments you'd like to see in future canon installments.
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2018/12/31 03:13:28
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
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Its an insult to fan fiction to call that gak fan fiction!
To the actual question posed, I want to see more gangsters/Cartel/Syndicate/Pirate/whatever. A film dedicated to them made like the Godfather. Blacksun especially but even shadow conclave would do.
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2018/12/31 04:57:47
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
Honestly most of the things I'd be interested in seeing are "historical". A TV series exploring the arrival of the first Dark Jedi among the ancient Sith species or even further back the first schism between Light and Dark among the proto-Jedi; films covering the subsequent Great Hyperspace War, the Great Sith War with the Onderonians and the Krath; a show featuring the outbreak of the Mandalorian Wars and the rise & fall of Revan.
That whole era is fascinating to me, particularly since it's a bit different in terms of aesthetic and tech, as well as the attitudes of the various factions(eg, in the earlier stories, Jedi still had families and other "attachments", there were even some great force-sensitive dynasties).
I'd also like to see them expand a bit on the Galactic Civil War. Mainly, if I'm honest, to finally silence that portion of the fanbase who will chuck a massive hissy if you suggest the GCW comprised more than just the handful of skirmishes and one single battle seen on-screen in the OT. But also because if done right it'd be interesting(and even, whisper it, a smidge topical) to see how various societies and corporations and criminal enterprises avoided, supported, or survived the Empire's fascist regime.
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2018/12/31 05:08:59
Subject: Re:Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
Tales of the Jedi is still my fav EU material. Perhaps the more recent junk (midichlorians, Mortis, etc) have effed up this naive, heroic era, I dunno.
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2018/12/31 10:11:19
Subject: Re:Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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2018/12/31 15:06:08
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
+3 for more cartel stuff. The small taste we got in Solo and the animated shows was awesome. There was a great Darth Maul comic ages ago featuring Black Sun and while there were none of them left alive by the end of the comic, I loved the concepts for new characters and motives. Hopefully the mandalorian will heavily feature this kind of stuff!
Besides that, Old Republic factions are a must at some point. Those short movies made for the Old Republic game are still some of my favourite bits of Star Wars and would look fantastic on the big screen.
Speaking of things we get a brief glimpse of in Solo, I'd really like to see a film based around the day-to-day goings on in the Empire. Away from the crisp-uniformed admirals and Grand Moffs, and down in the mud with the soldiers dealing with the reality of a galaxy-spanning war, rather than talking about one in a nice clean room.
While the scenes on Minban still clearly frame the Imperials as the Bad Guys ('it's their world, sir. we're the hostiles'), there's still scope for some very human storytelling there. Sure, the officer might believe in the Imperial right to rule, and you have troopers willing to cage wookies for sport, but Han himself proves that not everyone's there for that. Some are presumably conscripts, some have nowhere else to go, some might genuinely believe the lie that they're doing the right thing, and there's definitely a good story to be told in all that.
There's hints of this sort of thing in the recent (and pretty damn good) fan film 'Bucketheads', but I'd love to see it done on a proper budget and length. Not everyone in the Empire can be a fascistic cartoon villain, so let's see how the ones that aren't deal with that reality.
Other than that, yeah, any KOTOR stuff would be great, and I'd like to see more of the pre-Scarif/Yavin Rebellion that's hinted at in Rebels, where there's a different cells operating in different ways running the gamut from Saw's extremists to Bail Organa's political manoeuvrings to the Ghost crew's own band of local rebellion. I reckon we might get more of that in the Cassian Andor series, which I'm rather looking forward to.
2018/12/31 17:13:35
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
Sadly they seem to be pushing the "everyone's a fascistic cartoon villain" angle pretty hard, at least by the time of the OT - the claim from the lore bods at Lucasfilm is the Imperial Army as seen in Solo is basically gone by the time ANH rolls around, having been entirely supplanted by brainwashed Stormtroopers :/
I'm hoping they retcon that, not least because I want an army of the poor mud-scrubbers for Legion, but I wouldn't hold out much hope.
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2018/12/31 17:42:26
Subject: Re:Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
I think I agree with Yohdrin on this as the early days would be interesting to see (if handled well of course). I wouldn't mind a Revan story if handled right either, I suppose. He is kind of a one man faction, right?
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2018/12/31 22:46:54
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
Yodhrin wrote: Sadly they seem to be pushing the "everyone's a fascistic cartoon villain" angle pretty hard, at least by the time of the OT - the claim from the lore bods at Lucasfilm is the Imperial Army as seen in Solo is basically gone by the time ANH rolls around, having been entirely supplanted by brainwashed Stormtroopers :/
I'm hoping they retcon that, not least because I want an army of the poor mud-scrubbers for Legion, but I wouldn't hold out much hope.
To be fair, it'd be easy to set a story like this in the early years of the Empire. In fact, it's far more likely you have 'good' Imperial supporters in a time where the Empire seems to be (to the common man) something formed in response to terrorist threats and a plot to kill the elected head of state by an order that's 'betrayed' the Republic. 'Thunderous applause' and all that.
Actually, I'd just like to see more from that era generally. Between Rebels and Rogue One the period immediately prior to the OT is fairly well-covered, but the period post-RotS is still a vaguely detailed time outside of a few comics. And there's a lot of stories to tell there. The rise of Vader is something I really want to see on screen, and you could do a lot with the Clones/transition to the Imperial Army and Stormtroopers. Then there's the missing chapter for lots of principal characters (Maul, Kenobi, Ashoka) and a political element of transition we've not really seen dealt with at all. Lots of potential, I reckon.
2018/12/31 23:05:50
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
The Old Republic is probably where they should go for new Star Wars material. They are really wrecking the new stuff pretty quick.
Would only be a few minor changes. The Republic isn't the only big dog in the galaxy. No Rule of Two. More focus on Sith and Mandalorians, less on Jedi.
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2019/01/01 04:31:44
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
Ahtman wrote: I think I agree with Yohdrin on this as the early days would be interesting to see (if handled well of course). I wouldn't mind a Revan story if handled right either, I suppose. He is kind of a one man faction, right?
Kind of. I'm most interested in the period of Revan's life when he was still a Jedi(the first time), and he leads his "Revanchist" Jedi faction against the Mandalorian invasion in defiance of the Jedi Council of the day(who stuck firmly to the "we're peacekeepers, not generals" line, for once). Although a straight-up retelling of the KotOR game plot could work, though probably better as a movie trilogy than a TV show(it certainly has an "I am your father" level twist moment for the second film for those who've not played the game). His subsequent involvement in the Old Republic MMO is probably best forgotten(or, more accurately, purged with fire) since it was a mostly incoherent mess written primarily to force the game's two factions and eight classes together into a single plotline to save money on development, rather than a faithful, necessary, or satisfying continuation of the character.
Yodhrin wrote: Sadly they seem to be pushing the "everyone's a fascistic cartoon villain" angle pretty hard, at least by the time of the OT - the claim from the lore bods at Lucasfilm is the Imperial Army as seen in Solo is basically gone by the time ANH rolls around, having been entirely supplanted by brainwashed Stormtroopers :/
I'm hoping they retcon that, not least because I want an army of the poor mud-scrubbers for Legion, but I wouldn't hold out much hope.
To be fair, it'd be easy to set a story like this in the early years of the Empire. In fact, it's far more likely you have 'good' Imperial supporters in a time where the Empire seems to be (to the common man) something formed in response to terrorist threats and a plot to kill the elected head of state by an order that's 'betrayed' the Republic. 'Thunderous applause' and all that.
Actually, I'd just like to see more from that era generally. Between Rebels and Rogue One the period immediately prior to the OT is fairly well-covered, but the period post-RotS is still a vaguely detailed time outside of a few comics. And there's a lot of stories to tell there. The rise of Vader is something I really want to see on screen, and you could do a lot with the Clones/transition to the Imperial Army and Stormtroopers. Then there's the missing chapter for lots of principal characters (Maul, Kenobi, Ashoka) and a political element of transition we've not really seen dealt with at all. Lots of potential, I reckon.
Oh on that I fully agree with you. I cannot fathom the folk who insist the whole PT-through-OT era is "played out"(I mean, some of them are evidently part of the silly "kill the past" faction spawned by TLJ, but I've spoken to a few folk who feel that way who hated TLJ), it's not only a time period still redolent with potential, it provides an opportunity to be topical in a more thoughtful way than recent efforts in that regard, and as you say a way to dig into "missing chapters" for popular characters, though hopefully not too much - I'd rather see them develop new characters, factions, and places than just dip into the histories of the "main characters".
I still hope they discard the daft "they're all Stormtroopers now" routine though, since I think it diminishes the Stormtroopers themselves to make them so commonplace, much better to keep them as the elite force they're suggested as in the OT and keep the conscripted Army around to do the gak jobs on backwater worlds.
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2019/01/01 04:46:05
Subject: Re:Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
I wonder if they should bring in the Yevetha (from the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy). That was an interesting race with a different agenda than just the standard Imperial stuff. Or maybe the Killiks and their hive mind. Hell, even the Ssi-ruuk would be interesting to see in the new canon, assuming they kept them very much the same as in the Legends universe.
Also, someone mentioned the Yuuzhan Vong earlier (to the boos and catcalls of others). I actually like the concept of this race; an extragalactic species of invaders that use purely organic technology and are somehow not connected to the Force. While parts of the New Jedi Order series were laughably bad, I enjoyed it as a whole if for no other reason than the fact that the Vong were a very different kind of enemy, and we actually got to see their culture, religion, etc. and thus know some of their motivations.
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2019/01/01 06:26:26
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
My issue with the Vong is that they never really felt like they belonged in star wars, the whole concept of them just felt a little too alien. Organic monsters from another galaxy fit fine in most sci fi universes but star wars is more akin to fantasy in space which is what I think helps separate it from the competition.
I like the idea of an entirely new enemy but feel like it would be a hard thing to pull off and not feel out of place. I like my baddies to be dark side users and a bit of scum and villainy
I'll settle for anything other than more Resistance/First Order stuff. Those two factions are so incompetent it's beyond boring to watch them do anything.
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2019/06/03 00:18:02
Subject: Re:Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
While Star Wars will always be my favorite sci-fi franchise by virtue of it playing a major role in my childhood, I do agree with the Templin Institute in some regards. Mainly in the idea that the galaxy far, far away would be a lot more interesting if it were or became a multipolar world in terms of interstellar politics. Which is why I hope that upcoming stuff like Episode IX and the new Mandalorian TV show introduce a bunch of new interstellar factions from both old (preexisting Legends factions) and new (newly thought up Canon factions) sources alike. With that out of the way, here are some factions I'd like to see more of for the sole purpose of bringing more wargame fodder for X-Wing, Armada and Legion.
As you can see, there's plenty of material to draw from in Legends, which would no doubt be enhanced by the introduction of new Canon ships and fighters. But please feel free to let me know if there are any legends factions that I've forgotten to add to this list.
2019/06/03 00:38:13
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
Manchu wrote: Tales of the Jedi is still my fav EU material. Perhaps the more recent junk (midichlorians, Mortis, etc) have effed up this naive, heroic era, I dunno.
Hell, no they haven't. I still own come of the old Dark Horse Tales of the Jedi comics. That era would be so cool to see on screen.
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2019/06/03 17:58:25
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
Manchu wrote: Tales of the Jedi is still my fav EU material. Perhaps the more recent junk (midichlorians, Mortis, etc) have effed up this naive, heroic era, I dunno.
Hell, no they haven't. I still own come of the old Dark Horse Tales of the Jedi comics. That era would be so cool to see on screen.
Wouldn't that era be between Episode VI and Episode VII in the new canon? Perhaps that period could be a good jumping off point to explore a multipolar galaxy where the New Republic manages foreign relations with interplanetary governments that aren't the First Order. This is just a hypothetical scenario, but what if at some point Lucasfilms pulls a "Crisis on Infinite Earths" on us and combines the old Legends continuity with the new Canon continuity?
2019/06/03 18:39:44
Subject: Factions You'd Like to see in future Star Wars material
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