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I'll be excited when GW finishes the fething rules for an army i bought almost 2 years ago and has been unplayably broken for the vast majority of that time. Seriously, 2 years ago they started the army release then just shoved it to the side before finishing it. Sorry but i can't play 40k with screenshots of miniatures.
The army has rules! Sure it's index, but they're there.
"Unplayably broken" what a joke! They're seeing play in the top level of tournaments.
1 army, 1 time, in almost 2 years is not "seeing play in top level of tournaments"
try again
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HoundsofDemos wrote: Again, your book is probably a month at most away, and you again seem ignorant of the traditional codex cycle. This edition has been the fastest GW has ever updated books and is the first I've ever played were every book was updated in the same edition.
Your getting new model, even as an index army your no where near the bottom of the factions. Your also far from the last codex, considering that GW has let half a dozen FW armies languish with no sign of what they are going to do with them, and several other factions have gotten no update.
"Who cares if your codex is being shoved to the side to release repeated campaign books so you still can't play your broken army, you have pictures of models, PICTURES OF MODELS!"
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People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.
Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?
While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.
It's also an objectively wrong statement. They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.
Several people keep saying it's not the last codex as if sister's didn't get something in CA to fix them. They could have done the same for GSC. So yes, GSC is the only one who doesn't have a codex, a beta codex is still something.
And it wasn't CA this year that broke GSC it was CA a full year ago that broke it, and that's been completely ignored. GW doesn't seem to have any care if people can actually play games with the pile of expensive plastic we bought.
No "hey guys they're was issue X, so the codex is delayed for X months." Nope just constant promises of being "right around the corner" since August, then pushing it to the side to do campaign crap.
Danny slag wrote: Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTFGW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?
How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?
It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now
Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."
Trust me, it's happening real soon. Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it
I guess not the 5th
Ok let's see, i am not talking about Sisters. I am talking about the FW index armies, you know the ones like DKoK, Elysians, Renegades and Heretics, Eldar Corsairs.
let's see, corsairs are nigh unplayable right now, literally, infact they were nigh unplayable even at launch in 8th they got ripped apart so hard. DKoK, ohh look it's astra militarum sans regimental traits, gutted into 1 list, no other stuff like relics, just like your little GSC dudes, except, THEY AIN'T HAVING ANY BOOK IN UNDER A MONTH, and pay more then guardsmen for +1 ws. Renegades, oh wait, a index list so badly written that it invalidated 70% of all previous armies, infact so badly written that half the fething charachters lacked the Charachter keyword?, you know, the one you probably have on your HQ's`? Not to mention that around 40% of all units are gone, and on top of that pays premium for gak stats? were' talking worse then conscripts now are after the nerf party? Elysians, rest in pieces, that list sucks equally to DKoK.
So excuse me but you come over as extremly entitled,and you are objectively wrong.
Yes they could've done the same sister treatment in the CA, sure, but they could've done the same thing with all these lists above.
slave.entity wrote: The wait was worth it. Those bikers are amazing. The ATV. The gunslinger. The friggin' DRILL.
It's a very exciting time to play Genestealer Cults
Not only that but the models are fairly nice to convert into anything else, like regular cultists or other fringe armies that got taken behind the shed.
LOL, Forge-world, you're seriously going to try to use forge-world to argue that GSC isn't the only one left? You really are having to stretch so hard to try and not be as wrong as you are.
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1 army, 1 time, in almost 2 years is not "seeing play in top level of tournaments"
wasn't it also a triple soup and before the deployment FAQ nerfed GSC tricks to deploy up table ? Because this way someone could say that BAs are fine, because at some time durning 8th ed, BA as a mono list were not totaly bad to play with.
"Who cares if your codex is being shoved to the side to release repeated campaign books so you still can't play your broken army, you have pictures of models, PICTURES OF MODELS!"
Well it could always be worse I gues. You could already have a codex, and it could be bad. Not saying that waiting years for rules is a good thing, and who knows maybe after GSC come out maybe GW will drop 9th ed.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
I'll be excited when GW finishes the fething rules for an army i bought almost 2 years ago and has been unplayably broken for the vast majority of that time. Seriously, 2 years ago they started the army release then just shoved it to the side before finishing it. Sorry but i can't play 40k with screenshots of miniatures.
The army has rules! Sure it's index, but they're there.
"Unplayably broken" what a joke! They're seeing play in the top level of tournaments.
1 army, 1 time, in almost 2 years is not "seeing play in top level of tournaments"
try again
No thanks. It's pretty clear you've got a massive irrational chip on your shoulder and there's no point trying to engage with that.
If you're this determined to be miserable about your purchase choices I'm going to leave you to it.
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People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Objectively wrong as allready said, and just because you don't like FW, (see here)
LOL, Forge-world, you're seriously going to try to use forge-world to argue that GSC isn't the only one left? You really are having to stretch so hard to try and not be as wrong as you are.
dosen't make this a stretch, infact this statement let's me belive that you are the toxic kind of WAAC player, the one that probably can't take a loss or lacks any kind of knowhow of the hobby and throws a tantrum any minute of the game that does not go in his favour:
1 army, 1 time, in almost 2 years is not "seeing play in top level of tournaments" try again
The simple fact that an Index army won said tournament, makes the army kinda not seem broken and unplayable but you'd rather "waaaaaahhhhhh" round than beeing rational for 5 minutes and actually realise that you should seriously check your attitude.
So let me suggest something to you, as allready has been sugessted to you by Insaniak, lay of the caffeine or go somewhere else. Infact why are you even on this forum and in this hobby with that behaviour, completely contradictory to your modus operandi, or is it the annonimity that grants you such balls ?
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
The simple fact that an Index army won said tournament, makes the army kinda not seem broken and unplayable but you'd rather "waaaaaahhhhhh" round than beeing rational for 5 minutes and actually realise that you should seriously check your attitude.
GK won an invitational tournament in spain, does it mean GK are not broken?
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
The simple fact that an Index army won said tournament, makes the army kinda not seem broken and unplayable but you'd rather "waaaaaahhhhhh" round than beeing rational for 5 minutes and actually realise that you should seriously check your attitude.
GK won an invitational tournament in spain, does it mean GK are not broken?
Yes and no, the win of the genestealers was more recent. Therefore they show that they still are meta relevant whilest GK just kinda disapeared.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
If I was a WAAC player I'd have a GSC army that was 90% astra militarum instead of pure GSC, my armies wouldn't all be built to adhere to fluff instead of spamming the most undercosted units. You keep failing over and over at making any sort of valid argument.
And no forgeworld armies don't count because they've never been considered standard armies and have never been fully supported. They're always years out of date, slapped together rules tacked onto other armies with no foundation codecies. Yet another failure to argue on your part.
And the one single win that a GSO has, as someone else pointed out, GK have won at a tournament, does that mean GK aren't broken? And when I say broken for GSC I don't mean dakkadakka "broken," as in not the most egregiously undercoated and overpowered thing possible...I mean their army wide rule that the entire army is costed and built on literally was broken by the deep strike changes. Broken as in does not properly work anymore. Failure number 3 on your part.
You can keep being wrong all you want, but at least try to put even slight effort into not being so painfully obviously so. <REMOVED> GSC has been broken and unfinished for 90% of it's time since release, and instead of finishing it they've fethed off to do campaign books, not once but twice now. So you don't care because you don't play GSC, doesn't mean you have to revel in other people being fethed over. If it was the army you'd spent hundreds of dollars and dozens of hours painting you'd be singing a different tune because you're just a myopic contrarian.
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It you are a WAAC player then you will be playing Knights or Dark Eldar, at least until changes move another army to that lightspot.
It is true that the current army got hit hard with the new Match Play rules, but that is hardly "the majority of that time".
We are barely at year and half from the start of 8th edition and the Codex is practically at the corner, unlike the GK who are fethed until their next Codex which could be years, or the Tyranids that were fethed for 3 entire editions.
Could be up for pre-order next week but probably the one after that.
Keen to see some colour schemes and the 6 cult rules - if indeed they have six. I'm thinking twisted helix or inner wyrm but both could be purged to make way for other options.
Huh, the vitriol and hate in this thread is surprising.
There was a MASSIVE set of leaks a few months back about the GSC codex and they were surprisingly positive. Hinting at an expansive, and awesome codex, you all need to chill out.
Check spoiler for leakage (iirc this was on a 4chan thread)
Spoiler:
"Points are probably the worst thing for me to leak, so screenshots of the full page at once might be tricky. There have been a large number of points reductions across the board. The head guy for GSC (the one who worked on the initial team, and to my knowledge worked on DE and Nids) put a removed of maths behind it, and he playtests them outside of work."
"Metamorphs are cheaper. Holy feth they were overpriced before. Their weapons all have AP-1 now, or better (for rending claws), and they're cheaper than Genestealers (rightfully). Hand flamers also went down from 8 points, they're about half that price now."
The codex was tested alongside the ork codex, so the armies should be about even. Bad Moonz were painfully dominant in matchups.
A lot of GW design staff are actually rooting for GSC, as many have kill teams or small armies. There are a few who don't like them as much (scared of turn 1 deep strikes), but the guy who does the maths on the GSC team is widely regarded as a brilliant playtester. He's not paid enough in my opinion, but he doesn't care too much. It's slightly cheesy, but he usually says something like "actually having a balanced army is its own reward, no-one wants to play a gakky army"."
(In regards to goliath trucks and rockgrinders) "We realised that if a GSC player wants to get something to the front line quicker, then they'll just cult ambush stuff. If they want to protect their Neophytes, they just get more Neophytes (which is also cheaper). We've reduced points and added a few stratagems that might help."
> Sabotaged! (1CP) - When an enemy unit is destroyed and has an explosion effect, do not roll any dice - that effect automatically triggers.
> Confusion in the Ranks (3CP) - Choose an enemy unit in your opponent's army. Select one of its aura abilities - that ability cannot be used until the start of your next turn.
> Final Detonation (3CP): Use this stratagem at the start of the fourth battle round. Roll a D6 for each unit on the battlefield. On a 1-3, the unit being rolled for cannot advance this battle round. On a 4+, the unit being rolled for suffers a mortal wound and cannot advance this battle round.
> The Anointed one Rises: Use this stratagem if an Abominant is slain. At the end of the phase, that model is set up again, as close as possible to the previous position and more than 1" from enemy models, with D3 wounds remaining.
> Density Analysis Lenses (1CP) Ignore cover on chosen target.
> Inhuman Reflexes (2CP): A unit gets a 5++, or has its invulnerable save increased by 1.
> Industrial Brutality (1CP) - Double the attacks of all mining weapons in an acolyte squad (rock saw, rock drill or rock cutter only).
> Frenzied Hammering (2CP) - Select a unit of Aberrants - each model in that unit increases its attacks by D3 (roll once for the whole unit), but takes a -1 to hit rolls.
> Strength of Faith (1CP) - 5+ feel no pain, but only vs. mortal wounds in the psychic phase.
> Demolition Claw (1CP) - When a unit with demolition charges makes its attacks while embarked within a goliath truck/rockgrinder. That units demolition charges are not expended in the attack.
> Deliverance Broodsurge (1CP) - Allows a unit embarked on a Goliath Truck to disembark after it moves, though for each one that disembarks roll a D6 - for every roll of 6+ the unit takes a mortal wound.
> Numbers beyond counting (3CP) - Remove a unit from the board, next turn deploy it via Cult Ambush at its full strength.
> Breaking Formation (2CP) - You may deploy a unit with the VEHICLE keyword from your army with the GENESTEALER CULTS keyword as per the Cult Ambush rules.
Danny slag wrote: I mean their army wide rule that the entire army is costed and built on literally was broken by the deep strike changes. Broken as in does not properly work anymore.
To be fair, they did FAQ in exceptions for Cult Ambush regarding the errata regarding "no movement after arriving from reserves" (though the #6 result already said such) and the ability still does its job of keeping high threat squads safely tucked away off table where the opponent can't do anything about them until after they have deployed. The main effect of the nerf was that the ambush has to wait a turn before delivering its alpha strike, which in turn means the anvil part of the army needs to be able to lay the groundwork for the alpha turn 2. I think the nerf was in some regards counterbalanced by the meta shift that has occurred since the beginning of 8th. Originally everyone was loading up to deal with hundreds of GEQ bodies, but currently the main problem to beat is T8 Knights. Armor cracking is something we can do exceedingly well, attrition not so much.
As for Vigilus Defiant, I've been fairly happy with it actually. It has a lot of new fluff for GSC and the specialist detachments are both fairly useful.
What is this "put a remove of maths" mean? SOunds like no mathhammer at all. If you listen to the AoS team guy on their podcast about the BoC battle tome, he made it clear they are trying to balance points with math then going back after play testing and modifying (to keep it more consistent) and not "guessing base on play testing",.
I honestly figure they will make Ambush 1 of 2 things, either more or less amazing but very restrictive of what and how many will ambush, or everythig can but its not very good and risky.
But the important thing is "We realised that if a GSC player wants to get something to the front line quicker, then they'll just cult ambush stuff. If they want to protect their Neophytes, they just get more Neophytes (which is also cheaper). "
This goes for almost everything. All Transports are just shields/wounds with nothing to add to the army, its either cheap enough to spam and you dont care if it dies, or its extremely good (Venom and Wave Serpents for examples). If they want players to take Transports then need to be able to Fallback over infantry/swarms and still shoot/charge, etc.. also a bit cheaper, Rhinos should be 50pts base not 70.
That massive leak has been verified as junk, as well as the warlord traits table and limited brood brothers list that came out around that time.
Spikey Bits hhad an article last week talking about them, and literally the first comment was from the guy who photo-shopped the lists with WIP photos.
Amishprn86 wrote: What is this "put a remove of maths" mean? SOunds like no mathhammer at all. If you listen to the AoS team guy on their podcast about the BoC battle tome, he made it clear they are trying to balance points with math then going back after play testing and modifying (to keep it more consistent) and not "guessing base on play testing",.
"put a REMOVE on maths" was the direct quote.
I think he had someones name and had to remove it form his 4chan post.
That massive leak has been verified as junk, as well as the warlord traits table and limited brood brothers list that came out around that time.
Spikey Bits hhad an article last week talking about them, and literally the first comment was from the guy who photo-shopped the lists with WIP photos.
Oh really? That's a shame. There was some actual good game design and insights there.
But then again, the Ork codex leaks were true (despite someone saying the same thing). The same as the Necron leaks.
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If it is any consolation, GSC came 21st in a 94 man event over the weekend here in the UK, in a tournament dominated mainly by T’au and Aeldari soup. The list in question had 600 points of Tyranids but the rest was GSC.
GSC also did extremely well at GW Heat 3.
GSC is getting played a hell of a lot more at events that people want to admit, and they are doing pretty well – more so than a good chunk of the armies with codices already released.
Danny slag wrote: If I was a WAAC player I'd have a GSC army that was 90% astra militarum instead of pure GSC, my armies wouldn't all be built to adhere to fluff instead of spamming the most undercosted units. You keep failing over and over at making any sort of valid argument.
And no forgeworld armies don't count because they've never been considered standard armies and have never been fully supported. They're always years out of date, slapped together rules tacked onto other armies with no foundation codecies. Yet another failure to argue on your part.
And the one single win that a GSO has, as someone else pointed out, GK have won at a tournament, does that mean GK aren't broken? And when I say broken for GSC I don't mean dakkadakka "broken," as in not the most egregiously undercoated and overpowered thing possible...I mean their army wide rule that the entire army is costed and built on literally was broken by the deep strike changes. Broken as in does not properly work anymore. Failure number 3 on your part.
You can keep being wrong all you want, but at least try to put even slight effort into not being so painfully obviously so. <REMOVED> GSC has been broken and unfinished for 90% of it's time since release, and instead of finishing it they've fethed off to do campaign books, not once but twice now. So you don't care because you don't play GSC, doesn't mean you have to revel in other people being fethed over. If it was the army you'd spent hundreds of dollars and dozens of hours painting you'd be singing a different tune because you're just a myopic contrarian.
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And no forgeworld armies don't count because they've never been considered standard armies and have never been fully supported. They're always years out of date, slapped together rules tacked onto other armies with no foundation codecies. Yet another failure to argue on your part.
First: From IA13: "This book contains a variety of diffrent units for use in standard games of warhammer 40000 and games played using the rules found in warhammer 40000 apocalypse...[....]" This thing is in all FW indexes / books, etc you and including to now, infact IA13 was 7th f.e. but you can only find the rules for free on the FW site for renegades before that, with the same bloody endorsement.
Now go to the FAQ site and look at the FAQ's (there side by side are FW books aswell as codexes) So this here is nothing more then an attempt at cheap goalpost moving.
Not only is it wrong but a blatant lie. Try again.
Now that we have established that FW books are as offical as any GW book, see above, we now take a look at your main problem, mainly that the changes in CA and Battlebrothers broke the cult ambush rule. As mentioned before, FAQ fixed it. ( I am not commenting on the fix itself, it is blatantly obvious that they should have done a better job, but they did it robably fast because the Codex is in the pipeline.)
Compare this situation with the situation any longstanding Eldar Corsair player is in, basically their army existed since 4th to 8th, were it isn't even able to fill a detachment beyond the patrol, thanks to battlebrothers, has lost literally everything and is really barely legaly playable. And this is were i put the crux of it, you complained about the fact sisters got a beta codex in CA, so what they were also not supported for a long time, your argument of them not beeing endorsed or having terrible rules is basically the same as with your obvius biased dislike of any FW list.
If I was a WAAC player I'd have a GSC army that was 90% astra militarum instead of pure GSC, my armies wouldn't all be built to adhere to fluff instead of spamming the most undercosted units. You keep failing over and over at making any sort of valid argument.
I'll admit that you might not be waac, dosen' change the fact that your attitude is terrible, however the statement is wrong since we all know the GSC index list that sees more play in tournaments than many a codex, and i allready mentioned why i don't count GK. So i am in this case sorry for the WAAC and i can understand your position and delusion however you could've formulated that way better instead of showing envy for the sister beta dex, (which is wierd)
As for this:
You can keep being wrong all you want, but at least try to put even slight effort into not being so painfully obviously so. <REMOVED> GSC has been broken and unfinished for 90% of it's time since release, and instead of finishing it they've fethed off to do campaign books, not once but twice now. So you don't care because you don't play GSC, doesn't mean you have to revel in other people being fethed over. If it was the army you'd spent hundreds of dollars and dozens of hours painting you'd be singing a different tune because you're just a myopic contrarian.
Thank you very much i play Rengades, i know how gak and non updated rules look like, since 5th edition. Infact i have seen the old dark eldar codex still used in it's year long gap between updates and i have seen a full sister metall army. Morale of the story, and i'd admit it freely, GW has no idea about planning or priorities and i fully agree that it is questionable that they did the Vigilus book before they even made the Codex, however your point about beeing the last is still wrong and that i mentioned.
Now for beeing a myopic contrarian, well i am myopic or shortsighted but contrarian i am not thank you very much for the fancy way of telling someone he is an asshat. Now chill and be happy about the awesome potential that the new dude will give you and your cult ambush, since the marker system is allready validated, this is something so unique for 40k that even i am considering looking into GSC for a small side project.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Stating that GSC aren't competitive as an index army is simply false. We have literal evidence that proves otherwise, both before and after the deep strike nerf. They are currently winning games. As in last month, they won matches and a tournament if I'm not mistaken.
Regardless I have some sympathy for this topic having waited what felt like an eternity for the Ork codex only to have 'Orktober' kick off with a load of unrelated kill team things.
GW absolutely should prioritise codex releases not because a faction struggles to compete but because playing an index army is boring as feth. Few stratagems, few practical competitive lists and very limited play styles do not make for an interesting play experience.
That being said GSC have had a bone thrown to them in Vigilus with at least one, maybe two(?) detachments that gave them more stratagems and they have a ton of awesome new models on the way so there's that.
about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
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about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
Well, they did it just to spite you and for exactly no other reason.
about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
Blooming heck. We don't know campaign books delayed the codex whatsoever! It is entirely possible that this was the earliest in their schedule they could get the new models completed. And if that's the case, I'm glad they waited. So many great new models!
GSC getting more characters than DG - didn't see that coming!
"Courage and Honour. I hear you murmur these words in the mist, in their wake I hear your hearts beat harder with false conviction seeking to convince yourselves that a brave death has meaning.
There is no courage to be found here my nephews, no honour to be had. Your souls will join the trillion others in the mist shrieking uselessly to eternity, weeping for the empire you could not save.
To the unfaithful, I bring holy plagues ripe with enlightenment. To the devout, I bring the blessing of immortality through the kiss of sacred rot.
And to you, new-born sons of Gulliman, to you flesh crafted puppets of a failing Imperium I bring the holiest gift of all.... Silence."
- Mortarion, The Death Lord, The Reaper of Men, Daemon Primarch of Nurgle
about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
It's been said before and I'll say it again - what on earth makes you think that the campaign books delayed the Codex? GW have multiple writers working on various codexes, supplements and whatever else at any one time. The campaign books have been released because they were finished.
Why haven't GSC been released yet? There's a whole host of possible reasons, and none of them revolve around GW intentionally trying to irritate GSC players. Everything from beta rule changes making them go back to the drawing board, to finding slots in their production schedule to get the new models ready. Perhaps they really were 'right around the corner' last summer, and then something happened to delay them. Gak happens.
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