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 alleus wrote:
Seeing the e-mail, with that "Shadowspear: Previewed" text, and then clicking it to find a short story was pretty disappointing.

The story was fine, but I just want to see the models already.

I agree, with the email showing the minis I was expecting something more. I now understand how the orktober people felt!

At least Orktober showed off the models ahead of time, instead of dragging it out. The waiting is the worst part

I mean, they told you exactly how long you’d have to wait and are releasing more than expected, with more regular updates. Not sure how that compares to Orktober other than similar wishes to “skip to the end” and get the releases!

 Apple Peel wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
"Yeeting"?

Good story though.

Problem?

Probably not?

Maybe a bit of confusion over use of the word "yeeting" as it is hard to see that being a typo for 'leaving' but, who knows for sure, other than you, Apple Peel.

Anyway, add me to the list that just wants to see all the damn models already!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I mean, they told you exactly how long you’d have to wait and are releasing more than expected, with more regular updates. Not sure how that compares to Orktober other than similar wishes to “skip to the end” and get the releases!

Well no, we were given a count down to some unconfirmed event involving the despoiler. We still don't actually know what will happen at the end of that count down. We don't know when the previewed kits will be released.

Imagine how much better the shock/hype would be if on that date they showed us the kits, all at once, then commenced weekly previews and releases.

Instead we're at the point where we know the stuff is there, we have seen some of it and we're getting 2+ weeks of "look at this ankle!". It's tiring when you just want some decent updates or substantial news.

Well I would say that GW is just torturing us with glimpses of upcoming releases.

Which is actually natural part of chaos and so that means GW is simply being lore friendly.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I mean, they told you exactly how long you’d have to wait and are releasing more than expected, with more regular updates. Not sure how that compares to Orktober other than similar wishes to “skip to the end” and get the releases!

Yeah but they showed off the initial models (eliminators, librarian, tick,etc) on the 8th. So it's been 17 days of vague photos of random parts. I would have preferred no initial showing and just have a bunch of demon engine stuff. After seeing the first bit most figured they'd be up for pre-order in a week or two. And it's not going up for pre-order this weekend either. So roughly 4 full weeks of teasers and we still have no idea what's in the box

Someone said earlier ignorance is bliss

 Alpharius wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
"Yeeting"?

Good story though.

Problem?

Probably not?

Maybe a bit of confusion over use of the word "yeeting" as it is hard to see that being a typo for 'leaving' but, who knows for sure, other than you, Apple Peel.

Anyway, add me to the list that just wants to see all the damn models already!

I had to google it, and it’s one of those newfangled nonsense words the kids use! Back in my day, etc...

Sotahullu wrote:
Well I would say that GW is just torturing us with glimpses of upcoming releases.

Which is actually natural part of chaos and so that means GW is simply being lore friendly.

see, it's all going to plan!

Keep in mind some of the images might not even be for the next release, they maybe months down the line. GW is just cheeky enuff to do it.

One shudders to think what they'll do during a Drukhari release.
Or Slaanesh, Emperor preserve us.

At this point I am hoping beyond hope we get a Traitor Legions for 8th edition or, better yet, a revamp of the 3.5 Codex. Anything less and I will be furious.

The quality of the models doesn't matter if the rules are pure gak.

my money is on a viglius 2 book, heavy on chaos 8th ed formations and a couple of data slates

Wayniac wrote:
At this point I am hoping beyond hope we get a Traitor Legions for 8th edition or, better yet, a revamp of the 3.5 Codex. Anything less and I will be furious.

The quality of the models doesn't matter if the rules are pure gak.

Well, if you absolutely have to be furious, maybe do it elsewhere? The chaos codex is 18 months old. An expectation that they're going to replace that with design decisions from decades ago seems like unreasonable wish listing. And cluttering up threads with rage based on that seems unwarranted, especially if you know in advance that it's 'hope beyond hope'. That seems more on you than GW.

 Latro_ wrote:
my money is on a viglius 2 book, heavy on chaos 8th ed formations and a couple of data slates

It will likely have formations for Primaris Vanguard as well. There will be bitching about MOAR MUHREENS! like usual too.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
my money is on a viglius 2 book, heavy on chaos 8th ed formations and a couple of data slates

It will likely have formations for Primaris Vanguard as well. There will be bitching about MOAR MUHREENS! like usual too.

Twice the bitching, because Marines and Spiky Marines and not enough Xenos.

I've now accepted that the reveal will be Friday... Roll on the weekend

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
my money is on a viglius 2 book, heavy on chaos 8th ed formations and a couple of data slates

It will likely have formations for Primaris Vanguard as well. There will be bitching about MOAR MUHREENS! like usual too.

Twice the bitching, because Marines and Spiky Marines and not enough Xenos.

"Why aren't <Insert Faction not on Vigilus whatsoever> getting Vigilus formations?!" "Because they aren't on Vigilus." "That's stupid, GW hates <Insert Faction>!"

I would love to say that this is a conversation I have not had.

I'd love a new datasheet for Reaver really because they don't make any sense at the moment. Someone in the thread talked about a possible -1 or -2 AP on their knife, but what troubles me the most is their armor : they have a different armor, supposed to be lighter, but have the same stat as a normal intercessor in any way possible.
They should have a higher movement, or a better advance roll or something. And some options for the sergent.

Without those change they will stay unplayable.

casvalremdeikun wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
my money is on a viglius 2 book, heavy on chaos 8th ed formations and a couple of data slates

It will likely have formations for Primaris Vanguard as well. There will be bitching about MOAR MUHREENS! like usual too.

Twice the bitching, because Marines and Spiky Marines and not enough Xenos.

"Why aren't <Insert Faction not on Vigilus whatsoever> getting Vigilus formations?!" "Because they aren't on Vigilus." "That's stupid, GW hates <Insert Faction>!"

I would love to say that this is a conversation I have not had.

I hear ya.

WhiteDog wrote:I'd love a new datasheet for Reaver really because they don't make any sense at the moment. Someone in the thread talked about a possible -1 or -2 AP on their knife, but what troubles me the most is their armor : they have a different armor, supposed to be lighter, but have the same stat as a normal intercessor in any way possible.
They should have a higher movement, or a better advance roll or something. And some options for the sergent.

Without those change they will stay unplayable.

They really only need the AP on their knives and options for their SGT, they get ways around having the same movement stat by being able to Deep Strike and the Grapnel guns.

WhiteDog wrote:
I'd love a new datasheet for Reaver really because they don't make any sense at the moment. Someone in the thread talked about a possible -1 or -2 AP on their knife, but what troubles me the most is their armor : they have a different armor, supposed to be lighter, but have the same stat as a normal intercessor in any way possible.
They should have a higher movement, or a better advance roll or something. And some options for the sergent.

Without those change they will stay unplayable.

I agree. They would actually be good or at least decent at their job if their attacks were capable of doing anything. I don't necessarily agree they need to be faster, but their grenades need to be longer range though. As of right now they can't even use them until turn 3 at the earliest. They might as well not even have the damn things. Giving their bolt carbines -1 AP would probably be a good way to set them apart from Auto Bolt Rifles as well.

Yeah reivers are incredibly lame. But whatever is given to the carbines needs to be given the knives so there isn't an auto pick. If they both had ap - 1 the knives would still give the extra attack so there's that risk reward factor.

That's kinda the issue with intercessors right now the bolt rifle is pretty much the only choice

I'm really interested in these new troops as far as what they will do to separate them from intercessors

I am honestly expecting the new guys to basically just be Primaris Tactical Marines. Regular Boltguns, availability of Special and Heavy Weapons, and a customizable Sergeant (probably with the Intercessor Weapon options). It would help placate the Regular Space Marines are Doomed! types since the new sheet would basically allow you to use the old RSM with boosted stats.

Are we sure there are new troops coming ? Imo a simple formation that permit to use reaver as troops might do the trick.

WhiteDog wrote:
Are we sure there are new troops coming ? Imo a simple formation that permit to use reaver as troops might do the trick.

you mean like those guys, with the very obviously different Helmets from Reivers?

It looks like they just have a Bolt rifle with extra bits.

My monies on either a "scout move" or infiltrate

Although that pic isn't new, I'm only now noticing the guy behind the librarian's sword. Is that one of the heavy weapon troops? The weapon looks massive, and more like a gatling gun than a bolter.
Also, in the trailer video, we can see some of the primaris have the antennae on their backs like the art. Reivers don't have that currently. Its 0:38 in the video, when it shows off the other obliterator.

It was specifically stated at LVO that these guys all use the Reiver armour, including the Librarian. They are supposed to be an infiltration unit so I expect all new units, rules, and psychic powers.

Wayniac wrote:
At this point I am hoping beyond hope we get a Traitor Legions for 8th edition or, better yet, a revamp of the 3.5 Codex. Anything less and I will be furious.

The quality of the models doesn't matter if the rules are pure gak.

Rules come and go, and even more in 8th, but Models will be with you for many more years.

 bullyboy wrote:
It was specifically stated at LVO that these guys all use the Reiver armour, including the Librarian. They are supposed to be an infiltration unit so I expect all new units, rules, and psychic powers.

Does this mean there's gonna be a wave of marines in all gravis armour at some point?

 fraser1191 wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
It was specifically stated at LVO that these guys all use the Reiver armour, including the Librarian. They are supposed to be an infiltration unit so I expect all new units, rules, and psychic powers.

Does this mean there's gonna be a wave of marines in all gravis armour at some point?

Eh, maybe. I don't know how you would do Gravis Troops (these added Chambers of Primaris seam to be covering all of the FO slots).