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From the February WD:
https://imgur.com/a/3YEDg58

Beta Rule - Bolter Discipline

All Adeptus Astartes and Heretic Astartes models gain this ability. Instead of following the normal rules for Rapid Fire weapons, Rapid fire bolt weapons used by models with this ability make double the number of attacks if any of the following apply:

The firing model's target is within half the weapon's maximum range.
The firing model remained stationary during its previous Movement phase.
The firing model is a Terminator, Biker ????, Centurion or Vehicle.

Update:

Warhammer-Community Confirmation:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/21/21st-jan-introducing-better-beta-boltersgw-homepage-post-4/

Holy crap, I think this just made my Deathwatch A LOT scarier.

Ooh. Always double shots for Termies and Bikes is epic.

Nice. Nearly no change for Infantry, but makes Bikes and Terminators a lot better for the 12-24" range.


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 Hanskrampf wrote:
Nice. Nearly no change for Infantry, but makes Bikes and Terminators a lot better for the 12-24" range.

Edit: Oh wait, it doesn't just shift the Rapid Fire but Bikes/Terminators would make 8 shots in half range? Oo

Let the rejoicing/bitching commence....

Let me guess - they hitting with nerfbat multiple factions again just to nerf Deathwatch bolterdrill.

EDIT: Sorry, read "all" instead of "any".

 Hanskrampf wrote:


Edit: Oh wait, it doesn't just shift the Rapid Fire but Bikes/Terminators would make 8 shots in half range? Oo

No, they just always get Rapid Fire Bonus at any range.

stormcraft wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:


Edit: Oh wait, it doesn't just shift the Rapid Fire but Bikes/Terminators would make 8 shots in half range? Oo

No, they just always get Rapid Fire Bonus at any range.

Oh, yeah. Phew.

Wolf guard bikers got even better.

This is a real buff to GK, especially to terminators. Now living a strike squad at a midfield objective is not automatically shooting yourself in a leg.

GK terminators are now way better as objective holders too.

Hmmm. This does seem to buff the strongest more than the weakest in my opinion. Can't see why you'd run a bolter tac marine with 2 shots at 24 inches when you can have a deathwatch vet with a SS and storm bolter and FOUR SIA shots at 30 inches.

On the whole, good change though.

A little complicated. I'd have just made bolters rapid fire 2 and then made stormbolters rapid fire 4.


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 DoomMouse wrote:
Hmmm. This does seem to buff the strongest more than the weakest in my opinion. Can't see why you'd run a bolter tac marine with 2 shots at 24 inches when you can have a deathwatch vet with a SS and storm bolter and FOUR SIA shots at 30 inches.

On the whole, good change though.

Buffs my already buffed sternguard vet squads.... all my vets now fire double -2ap shots at 30" when stood still or 4 when in 15"

 DoomMouse wrote:
Hmmm. This does seem to buff the strongest more than the weakest in my opinion. Can't see why you'd run a bolter tac marine with 2 shots at 24 inches when you can have a deathwatch vet with a SS and storm bolter and FOUR SIA shots at 30 inches.

On the whole, good change though.

Feels more like a boost to termies, bikers, and vehicles than the regular marines. They are the ones who are always getting double shots while the marines have to be at half range or stationary. I at least haven't met many stationary Deathwatch marines.


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Must say I am tempted to test out Deathwing and Ravenwing with these rules.

Interestingly my friend and I play quite a few games of horde goffs vs marine bikers. There has always been a trade off in that his scout/normal bikers want to get into a 12 inch range to pump out the shots, but it leaves him vulnerable to charges if he can't finish off squads. Not so much with this rule.

This makes bikes more attractive for kiting. Plus its a nice boost for all marines as objective campers.

Do do marines now get 4 shots in half range and terminators get 8? Is it basically double the shots of what you would have got?

 lolman1c wrote:
Do do marines now get 4 shots in half range and terminators get 8? Is it basically double the shots of what you would have got?

No, I also misread this at first.
It replaces the normal rules for Rapid Fire completely.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
Do do marines now get 4 shots in half range and terminators get 8? Is it basically double the shots of what you would have got?

No, I also misread this at first.
It replaces the normal rules for Rapid Fire completely.

Ahh, doesn't matter then. Not as big as a buff i thought it might be. Was hoping my terminators could actually take on a sizeable tyranids horde.

I do agree Astartes bolters require buffing, not bolters in general. They are fine with sisters or on battle tanks or in the hands of Guardsmen. insert blurb about marine super integration with armour and extensive training to get...

Astartes bolters
Bolters (pistols, storm, regular) -1 to armour save.

Regular bolters become assault 2 (storm bolters assault 4) and have an alt fire mode as elite assault troops. In this mode they become rapid fire 2 (storm bolters rapid fire 4), str 3, ap 0 weapons, to represent them using the mass reactive ammo and auto targeting senses to sow confusion in a charging hordes ranks with airbursts, delayed detonation, shrapnel fragments, etc.

I almost wish Custodes would have gotten this rule too. They need help with hordes.

Not sure if I like it. Seems bit too strong for me.

My land raider crusader is gratefull. Also this would make sternguard alot better.

GD deathwatch are scary now. FMUDA I hope I don't have to play againgst any in the LVO cause my nids don't stand a chance.


Thinking about it though, I think its too late for new rules at the LVO, I might be safe.

I really like that they're finally using Keywords properly to apply the beta rule, a more targeted approach. Bodes well for future balance changes.

stormcraft wrote:
From the February WD:
https://imgur.com/a/3YEDg58

Beta Rule - Bolter Discipline

All Adeptus Astartes and Heretic Astartes models gain this ability. Instead of following the normal rules for Rapid Fire weapons, Rapid fire bolt weapons used by models with this ability make double the number of attacks if any of the following apply:

The firing model's target is within half the weapon's maximum range.
The firing model remained stationary during its previous Movement phase.
The firing model is a Terminator, Biker ????, Centurion or Vehicle.

So not all bolters than.

 Hawky wrote:
Not sure if I like it. Seems bit too strong for me.

Me too. Looks definitely too strong.

Some armies have only one answer against the most broken imperium combo, which is the castellan one, to bring hordes. Now if the imperium soup becomes way more effective against hordes without nerfing the huge dude to the ground it's another unfair and unneeded change to buff imperium armies. I understand SM are GW's posterboys but I always have hope

Also, looking at it, it doesn't give bolters four shots.
It gives bolters two shots if:
1. They're at half range (normal rapid fire rule)
2. The unit didn't move, making boters shoot twice at 13-24
3. It's a bike or terminator, which now shoots twice (four times for stormbolters) at 13-24.

Now scout bikers get even better, 16 bolter shots at 24", and 22 at 12", 6 of those 22 are S5 (shotguns) at 6".

Maybe if it affected Boltguns and Bolt Rifles only, but 8 shot Storm Bolter is too much I think. That or make it more expensive.

My take on this would be that the weapon becomes Rapid Fire 1+1. 2 shots on long range, 3 shots on close range.

//EDIT Hmmm... Alright then. The wording is a bit cheeky.

 Hawky wrote:
Maybe if it affected Boltguns and Bolt Rifles only, but 8 shot Storm Bolter is too much I think. That or make it more expensive.

My take on this would be that the weapon becomes Rapid Fire 1+1. 2 shots on long range, 3 shots on close range.

It just changes the requirements to get the 2nd rapid fire shot. They still max out at the same number as before.

Ravenwing likes this a lot! As also scouts capping objs