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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/24 02:13:01
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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Is there a list of all the Primarchs unique abilities that the HH have kinda retconned into existence?
Corax turns invisible.
Mortarion kinda teleports.
Vulcan is perpetual.
Nighthaunter has precognition.
Manus has magic hands that can build anything.
Sanguinius has wings and magic tears.
Russ has a loud bark.
Magnus is Magnus.
Alpharius/Omegon do the soul swap puppetmaster thing.
Horus had super charisma?
Well, those are the ones I know of. Have we gathered up more info on some of the other primarchs?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/24 02:37:40
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Filling in detail is not a retcon, if anything the primarchs have been down graded from their previous legendary status
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/24 10:30:04
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sanguinius also had instances of precognition. I like to think it was to a degree a common power of Primarchs, though some tapped into it more effectively than others.
Whether through psychic means, or simply their incredible intellects able to subconsciously ruminate on an infinity of potential futures, identify those key paths then provide it to the conscious mind of the Primarch in a lucid eureka moment is up for debate.
Giving each Primarch a uniquely individual 'power' detracts from what they were as a collective. I like the fuzzy edges, as above, being able to look at what we are presented and seeing several ways to interpret it, rather than black and white "this is the building Primarch, this is the angry on, this is the magic one".
I understand that the HH series has gone some way to and intricacy and overlap to the characters after initially having characters which were perhaps a little pigeon holed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/24 11:57:02
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I struggled with the way Leman Russ appeared to "grow" when he fought Magnus during the book Thousand Sons.
I assume this was due to a psychic manifestation of some sort... whether they knowingly use these powers or not they all seem to be touched by the warp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/24 17:54:11
Subject: Re:Primarch "Super powers"?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Many of those predate the HH series. Sang having wings or Fenrus having metal hands goes back a long time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/24 18:34:04
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Formosa wrote:[..]if anything the primarchs have been down graded from their previous legendary status
Ain't that the unfortunate truth. Primarchs are no longer really special, they're just another statted out unit that can be killed with relative ease.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/24 18:34:58
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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Nightlord1987 wrote:Is there a list of all the Primarchs unique abilities that the HH have kinda retconned into existence?
Corax turns invisible.
Mortarion kinda teleports.
Vulcan is perpetual.
Nighthaunter has precognition.
Manus has magic hands that can build anything.
Sanguinius has wings and magic tears.
Russ has a loud bark.
Magnus is Magnus.
Alpharius/Omegon do the soul swap puppetmaster thing.
Horus had super charisma?
Well, those are the ones I know of. Have we gathered up more info on some of the other primarchs?
HH strongly implies that Ferrus Manus's hands are actually made from C'tan/Necron living metal. Early in his life, he fought Asirnoth, the Silver Wyrm and slew it by holding it under a river of lava until it melted. When he pulled his hands out, they were covered in the living metal of the beast. The description of the thing could easily be a large Canoptek construct of some sort.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/24 19:36:12
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kriswall wrote: Nightlord1987 wrote:Is there a list of all the Primarchs unique abilities that the HH have kinda retconned into existence?
Corax turns invisible.
Mortarion kinda teleports.
Vulcan is perpetual.
Nighthaunter has precognition.
Manus has magic hands that can build anything.
Sanguinius has wings and magic tears.
Russ has a loud bark.
Magnus is Magnus.
Alpharius/Omegon do the soul swap puppetmaster thing.
Horus had super charisma?
Well, those are the ones I know of. Have we gathered up more info on some of the other primarchs?
HH strongly implies that Ferrus Manus's hands are actually made from C'tan/Necron living metal. Early in his life, he fought Asirnoth, the Silver Wyrm and slew it by holding it under a river of lava until it melted. When he pulled his hands out, they were covered in the living metal of the beast. The description of the thing could easily be a large Canoptek construct of some sort.
Or possibly even a C'tan shard of the Void Dragon (my personal favourite theory).
I haven't seen instance of Mortarion teleporting in the books, he is just very, very tough. Nighthaunter seems to have some sort of teleportation gig going on in addition to his precognition.
Guilliman seems to be a polymath.
The Lion seems to have enhanced senses and reflexes, even beyond the other Primarchs (his duels with Kurze seem to bear this out).
Dorn also seems to be really tough. Alpharius stabs him with the Pale Spear and Dorn simply tanks the hit and then "disarms" him.
Jaghati Khan is not a psyker but seems to have some effect on psykers nearby. He seems to stabilise their powers somehow although this is not clearly explained.
Fulgrim and Perturabo don't seem to exhibit any supernatural abilties (beyond their general Primarchyness)
Lorgar is also a fairly potent psyker and his powers seem to be directly proportional to his faith. By the start of the Shadow Crusade, he can conjour a psychic shield strong enough to take a couple of direct hits from titan-scale plasma weapons (although he does get a bit singed).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/25 12:42:53
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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It wasn't really retconned in by the HH books. The 2nd Ed Codex Imperialis (which is the basis for most of modern 40K lore) states that many of the primarchs had unusual abilities like flight or invisibility.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/28 21:59:23
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Gore-Drenched Khorne Chaos Lord
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Karhedron wrote: Kriswall wrote: Nightlord1987 wrote:Is there a list of all the Primarchs unique abilities that the HH have kinda retconned into existence?
Corax turns invisible.
Mortarion kinda teleports.
Vulcan is perpetual.
Nighthaunter has precognition.
Manus has magic hands that can build anything.
Sanguinius has wings and magic tears.
Russ has a loud bark.
Magnus is Magnus.
Alpharius/Omegon do the soul swap puppetmaster thing.
Horus had super charisma?
Well, those are the ones I know of. Have we gathered up more info on some of the other primarchs?
HH strongly implies that Ferrus Manus's hands are actually made from C'tan/Necron living metal. Early in his life, he fought Asirnoth, the Silver Wyrm and slew it by holding it under a river of lava until it melted. When he pulled his hands out, they were covered in the living metal of the beast. The description of the thing could easily be a large Canoptek construct of some sort.
Or possibly even a C'tan shard of the Void Dragon (my personal favourite theory).
I haven't seen instance of Mortarion teleporting in the books, he is just very, very tough. Nighthaunter seems to have some sort of teleportation gig going on in addition to his precognition.
Guilliman seems to be a polymath.
The Lion seems to have enhanced senses and reflexes, even beyond the other Primarchs (his duels with Kurze seem to bear this out).
Dorn also seems to be really tough. Alpharius stabs him with the Pale Spear and Dorn simply tanks the hit and then "disarms" him.
Jaghati Khan is not a psyker but seems to have some effect on psykers nearby. He seems to stabilise their powers somehow although this is not clearly explained.
Fulgrim and Perturabo don't seem to exhibit any supernatural abilties (beyond their general Primarchyness)
Lorgar is also a fairly potent psyker and his powers seem to be directly proportional to his faith. By the start of the Shadow Crusade, he can conjour a psychic shield strong enough to take a couple of direct hits from titan-scale plasma weapons (although he does get a bit singed).
Whichever novel sees Khan fight morty on Prospero very heavily suggests he's a psyker, it mentions his sword gaining forceweapon like properties and his speed might come from latent biomancy perhaps?
Perturabo has the whole tough as leather boots thing going on and seems to be a superlative engineer, beyond Ferrus who is more of a weaponsmith.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/30 02:27:07
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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I believe Guilliman also mentions in Dark Imperium that all the Primarchs are latent psykers, when he's talking about how the Emperor's sword is engulfed in flames whenever he holds it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/30 02:51:49
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Some of them are psykers. I think Russ is, although he ceeps it on the low key? I can not remember the source. I think he reads bones for information of pressence and future? I think is is in the Abnet book with the SW?
Also he can transform into a tank during combat. The Leman Russ tank is a homage to this I belive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/30 02:52:02
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Norn Queen
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It's pretty clear that the Primarchs are all psykers to one degree or another, even the ones who are hypocritical arseholes about it like Leman Russ or Mortarian.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/30 03:03:15
Subject: Re:Primarch "Super powers"?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The HH novels make it clear that they all had the potential given enough effort or training. Honestly that explains a lot of their odd ball/special abilities. Russ's scream sounds a lot like a psychic shriek, Corax basically had Invisibility, Sang and Kurze both had dreams of the future.
I chalk a lot of them not being able to access them is it didn't fit the Emperors plan other than the Magnus being the key to the whole webway project as a living psychic battery. He didn't want them talking to demons, so he didn't help them develop them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/30 03:16:28
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Battleship Captain
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BaconCatBug wrote:It's pretty clear that the Primarchs are all psykers to one degree or another, even the ones who are hypocritical arseholes about it like Leman Russ or Mortarian.
The one exception might be Corax - given the exact nature of his gifts ("invisibility" and extreme resistance to telepathic influence - to the point that he briefly sees "Revalation" rather than the Emperor), and the fact that he's completely unable to use the psychic lock in the himalazia vault, he seems a lot closer to a pariah than a psyker. But it's still a psychic-based phenomena.
Perturabo also has a sort of warp-sight (albeit seeing the eye of terror not the astronomican), which let him act as a fair navigator if he wanted
Lorgar is a pretty weak and erratic psyker. What's changed by Betrayer is that he's also a Sorceror too - adding enuncia, daemon-manipulation and similar chaos disciplines to magnify his power level.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/30 23:08:20
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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locarno24 wrote: BaconCatBug wrote:
Perturabo also has a sort of warp-sight (albeit seeing the eye of terror not the astronomican), which let him act as a fair navigator if he wanted
Fair? Pert navigated an impossible-to-navigate maze that would have trapped Fulgrim (anyone else.)
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Jon Garrett wrote:Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.
"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."
"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"
"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/31 05:30:07
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Battleship Captain
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Fair? Pert navigated an impossible-to-navigate maze that would have trapped Fulgrim (anyone else.)
"Navigator" as in "Can substitute for the three-eyed dude flying the Iron Blood" rather than "Doesn't get lost".
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Termagants expended for the Hive Mind: ~2835
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/31 09:25:01
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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locarno24 wrote: BaconCatBug wrote:It's pretty clear that the Primarchs are all psykers to one degree or another, even the ones who are hypocritical arseholes about it like Leman Russ or Mortarian.
The one exception might be Corax - given the exact nature of his gifts ("invisibility" and extreme resistance to telepathic influence - to the point that he briefly sees "Revalation" rather than the Emperor), and the fact that he's completely unable to use the psychic lock in the himalazia vault, he seems a lot closer to a pariah than a psyker. But it's still a psychic-based phenomena.
Perturabo also has a sort of warp-sight (albeit seeing the eye of terror not the astronomican), which let him act as a fair navigator if he wanted
Lorgar is a pretty weak and erratic psyker. What's changed by Betrayer is that he's also a Sorceror too - adding enuncia, daemon-manipulation and similar chaos disciplines to magnify his power level.
Lorgar's psychic potential "scared" Magnus, I doubt that's what you would say of a weak psyker (erratic no doubts).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/02/01 03:32:17
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Engrenages wrote:Lorgar's psychic potential "scared" Magnus, I doubt that's what you would say of a weak psyker (erratic no doubts).
I always thought that it was more of a "scared" as in "surprised". Lorgar is definitely the second strongest psyker out of the primarchs, but Magnus has been stated in universe to be as nearly strong as, if not equal to the emperor in psychic strength.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/02/01 20:59:54
Subject: Re:Primarch "Super powers"?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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in Loegar's case it might also be what scared Magnus was how he tapped into using his powers it wasn't exactly the more...... methodical, approuch Magnus belived he took
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/02/15 02:56:16
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Lion El'Jonson: Seems to have some degree of super reflexes even among Primarchs, can see Warp phenomena that non-psykers can't, when stabbing Fateweaver imbued his sword with a burst of energy with his fury akin to a force weapon.
Fulgrim: Nothing in particular pre-fall, as he had a lot of talents, but none that seemed preternatural. After his fall he has gained some pretty potent psychic power, even before becoming a Daemon Prince, as seen in The Mirror Crack'd when he caused a Warhound Titan's pilots to mutate and bloat so forcefully they ruptured its top.
Perturabo: Uniquely among the Primarchs Perturabo had instinctual knowledge of just about everything. He could speak the common tongue without being taught, instinctively had vast knowledge of physics, engineering, pretty much all scientific fields, etc etc.
Jaghatai Khan: Don't know.
Leman Russ: A high resistant to psychic powers, which allowed him to survive attacks from Magnus that would have killed any of his other brothers. Can emit a psychic howl that overwhelms other psykers.
Rogal Dorn: Nothing in particular I can recall.
Konrad Curze: Future sight, think he also used some telekinesis to crack some lights in
Sanguinius: Wings, future sight, displaced some very impressive telekinetic ability when he slowed the descent of his flagship with a touch in Fear to Tread.
Ferrus Manus: His metal hands, notable for being xenos tech rather than psychic in origin.
Angron: Nothing in particular.
Roboute Guilliman: Nothing in particular.
Mortarion: Can seemingly blend with the shadows and appear out of them suddenly, like a teleport.
Magnus the Red: The most overt psyker of the Primarchs, and the most versatile and powerful as well. Can replicate many of the gifts of his brothers and do so to a greater effect.
Horus: Nothing in particular.
Lorgar: A diet coke Magnus, being a very powerful psyker and sorcerer, but not to the extent of Magnus.
Vulkan: Is a perpetual.
Corvus Corax: Telepathic stealth, convinces your mind he's not there when he is.
Alpharius Omegon: Weird twin soul sharing gak.
Think that covers them all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/02/15 07:08:42
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Vulkan penned the Tome of Fire, which includes knowledge of future events.
This indicates he also possessed at least a limited amount of precognition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/02/15 07:25:45
Subject: Primarch "Super powers"?
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Jaghatai Khan seems to be able to hurt ghosts/spirits. That's the only thing I can really remember from scars. I actually quite liked his portrayal as a more human level, taking injuries, becoming fatigued etc. There should be more like that, rather than just undefeatable badass.
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