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I know, and it was obvious that the Commander sets themselves were a mistake (I don't think they sold particularly well and I've never seen anybody talk about buying them). In many cases, they were much more expensive than buying the models individually too. But there's a few where it isn't cheaper, and it's just free KT cards at that point. I was planning on picking up a few of those for the factions - like I may skip the Fireblade, but I lose nothing with the Primaris Librarian and Tech Priest Dominus.

They sold okay where I live(depends on the faction though). Some of the models like the Succubus are now DO only so the KT was the only way to buy them cheaply unless you made a huge bulk DO to GW.

 Sqorgar wrote:
Oh, they are dumping the KT data cards too? They must have a new starter set coming out then.

And how popular were the Necromunda tactics cards?

I bought them for my two favourite gangs only namely Escher & Goliath and never regretted it doing so.

I am not sure how true it is but there is a rumour floating around that after the new factory expansion they are taking the printing in house.


Add salt as always but it could be good news if so

Strangely enough I am more concerned about the Dark Angel Veterans. They currently serve a dual purpose for Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines(Fallen) so I find it weird that they are moving them to Last Chance while the codexes still have entries for them.

Now, if that Vigilus campaign ends up involving the Dark Angels Fallen and it reintroduces a new kit... one can only hope I guess.

 Eldarsif wrote:
They currently serve a dual purpose for Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines(Fallen) so I find it weird that they are moving them to Last Chance while the codexes still have entries for them.

Perhaps that is exactly why, one kit two store listings.

By removing the less purchased option, Fallen, you only need to maintain the one actual kit, DA Veterans.

Customers wanting to buy Fallen shouldnt find it too hard to buy the DA Vets kit instead.

So, FWIW, Dark Angels Veterans are not explicitly listed as LCTB, only Fallen are.

However, if you go to the DA Veterans page, they have the LCTB icon too.

 Eldarsif wrote:

Now, if that Vigilus campaign ends up involving the Dark Angels Fallen and it reintroduces a new kit... one can only hope I guess.

Like to place a bit if true they will be Primaris Marines?


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 Excommunicatus wrote:
So, FWIW, Dark Angels Veterans are not explicitly listed as LCTB, only Fallen are.

However, if you go to the DA Veterans page, they have the LCTB icon too.

I don't see it. I see web exclusive but no, Last Chance to Buy icon. Maybe it changed back?

They've taken the LCTB Icon off both pages, actually.

Fallen still feature on the LCTB page.

Looks like AoS and 40k are similarly affected, but only the odd piece and most of them bundles:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer?N=647457687+3907428971

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000?N=1125463923+2289761821

The status of the Fallen is even weirder now since they've lost their LSTB icon but are still featured in the LSTB tab.

There is one thing though. Fallen used to be not DO only but they are now DO. Could be that they were accidentally put into LSTB status but were supposed to be DO.

Regardless I'll probably end up grabbing the FLGS kit I was eyeing last week just in case.

Yeah, their webstore has been...odd of late. Shopping for those very Reaver cards (along with the Warhounds) before the New Year they were marked as "Temporarily Unavailable" so I hit the "Email Me" bit and got an email about 2 hours later that they were both in stock. On the actual store page they both still were listed as unavailable, but when going to the actual item page they could be added to the cart normally. That order did take a few weeks to ship and they would have been the only odd items, so I suspect they perhaps were indeed not available at that point in time. It appears that the Warhound cards on the US site still behave in this manner (as of this writing anyway).

Could it be in their million pound endeavor for their website/inventory that they didn't think to put a "Low Stock" option in and rather than get one added their ham-fisted solution is to dragoon the LCTB status? Or as some have speculated is it just a manufacturing shift that they want to clear out items prior?

I'd like the think that this will result in combined sets to reduce SKU's. For AT, you get a terminal expansion kit - all weapon cards and terminals in one set. For Blood Bowl, a set to bundle cards, pitches and dice into one box. Same for Necromunda - a complete card set for all gangs.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
So, FWIW, Dark Angels Veterans are not explicitly listed as LCTB, only Fallen are.

However, if you go to the DA Veterans page, they have the LCTB icon too.

Maybe they're just re-boxing them with 32mm bases?

Twitch stream last night confirmed that these items (at least AT) are only on there because of popularity, they are selling exceptionally well and will return shortly.

Kill Team Commanders seemed to be a failed concept from my perspective. Most people do not play with the commander rules, and even fewer bought the commanders (because they were so expensive).

Some of the items feel like "Last chance to buy... Until we get a restock" rather than truly being your last chance - ever - to buy an item.

 Red_Five wrote:
Kill Team Commanders seemed to be a failed concept from my perspective. Most people do not play with the commander rules, and even fewer bought the commanders (because they were so expensive).

What failed was repackaging old kits for a higher price. The commander boxes were a mistake. Rogue Trader and the two kits going up for preorder tomorrow all include new and unique commanders, and people seem pretty happy about it. I think they'll end up putting commanders in the box with units going forward.

Some of the items feel like "Last chance to buy... Until we get a restock" rather than truly being your last chance - ever - to buy an item.

Should also be pointed out that the Tyranid and GSC commander boxes aren't last chance to buy. They came out later than the others, but other than that, I'm not sure what the distinction is.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Red_Five wrote:
Kill Team Commanders seemed to be a failed concept from my perspective. Most people do not play with the commander rules, and even fewer bought the commanders (because they were so expensive).

What failed was repackaging old kits for a higher price. The commander boxes were a mistake. Rogue Trader and the two kits going up for preorder tomorrow all include new and unique commanders, and people seem pretty happy about it. I think they'll end up putting commanders in the box with units going forward.

The real issue, IMO, was that not all Commanders were equal in setup and the prices were problematic because of that.

You had the Cadre Fireblade, Succubus, and Commissar who were $20USD models becoming $35.
You had the Iconward and Watch Master going up from $25USD to $35.
The Necron Overlord went up from $28 to $35.

The Librarian didn't change its price.
The Techpriest Dominus went down a whopping $1USD(!!!SOMUCHWOW! ), the Broodlord went down $5USD, and the Ork Warboss went down $15(as it's only available in Grukk's Boss Mob for $50).

I legitimately feel like Commander sets would have been a bit more well-received, at least in terms of the models, if the 'cheaper' faction stuff came like the Kill Teams we see tomorrow instead.

Some of the items feel like "Last chance to buy... Until we get a restock" rather than truly being your last chance - ever - to buy an item.

Should also be pointed out that the Tyranid and GSC commander boxes aren't last chance to buy. They came out later than the others, but other than that, I'm not sure what the distinction is.

Someone was saying that the Twitch stream last night said the LCTB section also includes stuff that is low stock levels.

That makes sense; the status is applied automatically when supply levels get below a certain level (and probably when there’s no re-order date).

What I don't understand (and forgive me if this was mentioned I haven't read through all of the thread) but...when the Delaque dice are sold out...how are people meant to get dice for Necromunda?

Excluding places like Ebay, because even Ebay dries up eventually, do they expect people to buy the Underhive box set at £75 to get two sets of dice?

And I apologise for the cynicism because I don't really think it's deliberately for that reason, but that is what people are left with unless they release some standalone dice. I suppose there probably are third party alternatives to be fair..but even so...

Yeah I noticed this with Blood Bowl.. so I now buy the cards and dice for the specialist games at release even if I don't get the team/gang.. I have the Delaque cards and dice for example but no gang yet.

Started doing it for shadespire/Night Vault as well, as some of the sleeves are gone.. but fortunately they where ones I already had.

For the 40k stuff, it's mostly the big bundles going LCtB, along with some limited edition books.

However, I spotted two oddities, the fallen kit, and the land raider terminus ultra kit. The fallen I've seen (as my friend is a big dark angel fan) but I've never seen the terminus ultra land raider used, and come to think of it, its rules either.

I mean, a possible 8 lascannons on a land raider is pretty crazy, but fun I'd imagine!

frankelee wrote:
I take it the boring Blood Bowl pitches with an extra silly side for $40 have begun to wear thin on the audience?

They show no sign of stopping! Each team of Blood Bowl so far is getting pitch, dice, cards and spike magazine. They got several years left of blood bowl releases.


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 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Yeah I noticed this with Blood Bowl.. so I now buy the cards and dice for the specialist games at release even if I don't get the team/gang.. I have the Delaque cards and dice for example but no gang yet.

Started doing it for shadespire/Night Vault as well, as some of the sleeves are gone.. but fortunately they where ones I already had.

Don't worry about the cards so much, they will always be available from other sources. Pm me if interested.


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 Wunzlez wrote:
What I don't understand (and forgive me if this was mentioned I haven't read through all of the thread) but...when the Delaque dice are sold out...how are people meant to get dice for Necromunda?

Excluding places like Ebay, because even Ebay dries up eventually, do they expect people to buy the Underhive box set at £75 to get two sets of dice?

And I apologise for the cynicism because I don't really think it's deliberately for that reason, but that is what people are left with unless they release some standalone dice. I suppose there probably are third party alternatives to be fair..but even so...

It's a pity the dice go out because, other than the new minis, those were the coolest part I think. Very nice to have unique dice per house.

If all dice are gone, you need to order custom dice, ebay or simply use a translation table to normal D6.

Ah.., GW... Last chance to buy... stuff that's only been out a few months that you're still trying to get mates into.

'Fallen'... it's ridiculous they don't translate several names anymore ('Gefallene'). 'Fallen' means 'traps' in German...


(For those debauched by the internet: not that kind of trap...)

 Starfarer wrote:
Funny that you bring this complaint when discussing Kill Team, which can easily be played for under $100, including rules, figures and a bit of terrain.

Sure it can, but we're only 7 months in and you need to spend $190 just to have all the rules. $40 for the core rulebook, $60 for commanders, and $90 for arena. For being the small scale, introductory version of 40k, it's quickly approaching 40k both in terms of pricing and rules bloat.

 Toofast wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
Funny that you bring this complaint when discussing Kill Team, which can easily be played for under $100, including rules, figures and a bit of terrain.

Sure it can, but we're only 7 months in and you need to spend $190 just to have all the rules. $40 for the core rulebook, $60 for commanders, and $90 for arena. For being the small scale, introductory version of 40k, it's quickly approaching 40k both in terms of pricing and rules bloat.

The difference is that only one of those(Core Rulebook) is actually necessary for playing the game.

Commanders aren't necessary.
Arena isn't necessary.

Killzones Mechanicus and Munitorum just disappeared from the GW website in the UK and most other suppliers - no warning given! I know they've been absent from most non-UK GW webstores for a while now though.

 Toofast wrote:


Sure it can, but we're only 7 months in and you need to spend $190 just to have all the rules. $40 for the core rulebook, $60 for commanders, and $90 for arena. For being the small scale, introductory version of 40k, it's quickly approaching 40k both in terms of pricing and rules bloat.

You don't need Commanders nor Arena to play Kill Team at all. Both of those are like separate modes of play and not at all rules bloat. If Kill Team was the video game Far Cry 5, then Commanders and Arena would be New Dawn.

I suspect the Kill Team offerings thus far are a stop gap money making move. In other words, they wanted a proof of concept to see if it would sell, so they used existing sculpts from their 40K line.. It did really well so now they will put the plan they had originally created into motion. Much like Shadespire, that plan will include miniatures that look better than the average miniature. I think the next two sets to come out are an example of this. A really cool Genstealer cult gunslinger and a new Adeptus Mechanicus tech priest. The Warzones may be a one and done, so if you want them, don't sit on your hands waiting for cheap prices.

Except gunslinger was already shown around summer...And it was put on design like year ago MINIMUM. Kill team wasn't even out yet when the gunslinger, which btw is also for 40k, was started to be designed.

If they are going to put out something based on sales of KT it's going to be like 2020. Maybe late 2019.