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Fabricator-General Kelbor-Hal led the uprising for Horus on Mars in the early 31st millennium, while the traitor mechanicum elements were driven from Mars, the fate of Kelbor-Hal remains unknown.


I'm going to write the account of his ending on Olympus Mons in the closing days of the rebellion on Mars, and need a feasible year for my story.

I'm going to write a "Lord of the Rings" style account.

I'm sure you all recognize this:

"The year 3434 of the Second Age. Here follows the account of Isildur, the High King of Gondor, at the finding of the Ring of Power."

I need a version of that date and millennium that I can tie back into my lore. Like, "The year 3152 of the 31st Millennium. Here follows the account of Irascus, Captain of the <some sort of angry marine company> and the forging of Grundlesmasher.

The story is going to be about how Captain Irascus had come to Mars, ostensibly to seek the effort of Fabricator-General Kelbor-Hal to craft a unique weapon in service to the emperor (maybe somehow having been lost in a warp storm or something, and not having heard of the heresy until he arrived), when Kelbor-Hal refused, my captain killed him and made it himself in Kelbor-Hals workshop.

But I need to timestamp and date this....

And I also need to know if it is "realistic" for a 41st millennium space marine captain to have been alive in the 31st millennium, 10,000 years prior.

I'm making it up as I go along, but I want it to be a fun, entertaining story that fits into the canon well enough.

And I also need to know if it is "realistic" for a 41st millennium space marine captain to have been alive in the 31st millennium, 10,000 years prior.

No. The only heresy-era marine still kicking on the loyalist side is Bjorn - that's why he's so significant.

Accidentally "wandering in to" Kelbor-Hal's workshop isn't terribly realistic - Mars was under navy blockade for most of the Heresy, and there was a massive civil war happening the whole time.

Getting into martian orbit saying "I'm here to see kelbor hal" means the imperial navy shoot your starship down, whilst entering mars' atmosphere saying "in service to the emperor" means your gunship gets vapourised by Olympus mons' forge defence grid.

The scouring of mars will have been something like 015.M31 - 014.M31 was the siege of terra.

locarno24 wrote:

And I also need to know if it is "realistic" for a 41st millennium space marine captain to have been alive in the 31st millennium, 10,000 years prior.

No. The only heresy-era marine still kicking on the loyalist side is Bjorn - that's why he's so significant.

Accidentally "wandering in to" Kelbor-Hal's workshop isn't terribly realistic - Mars was under navy blockade for most of the Heresy, and there was a massive civil war happening the whole time.

Getting into martian orbit saying "I'm here to see kelbor hal" means the imperial navy shoot your starship down, whilst entering mars' atmosphere saying "in service to the emperor" means your gunship gets vapourised by Olympus mons' forge defence grid.

The scouring of mars will have been something like 015.M31 - 014.M31 was the siege of terra.

Hmm.....I have some choices then that I'd welcome input on.

1. I either need to C.S. Goto and Matt Ward my way through that storytelling navigational minefield with some ridiculous dues-ex machina type events to put my captain onto Mars in time to kill Kelbor-Hal before the cleansing of Mars, or
2. I need a generic (or non-generic but non-canon-breaking) techpriest from another forgeworld that *does* exist in the 41st millennium - which is way outside of the realm of anything I know about.

From a story-telling perspective, I really *do* want to be able to tell it like a Lord of the Rings account, where Mount Doom is Olympus Mons and Kelbor-Hal is Sauron.


What about 41st Millennium mars? I couldn't find any references to Olympus Mons post-heresy, and the canon on "Who's who" seems pretty fixed; with the current fabricator-general in rivalry with another guy who Guilliman doesn't like. I can't swoop into the middle of that Canon and drop a powerfist...which is why I liked the unknown ending of Kelbor-Hal in the 31st millennium.

I'd say you're aiming too high with Khalbor-Hal, make it a former apprentice of his who had taken over one of Hal's lesser forges, perhaps somewhere offworld like in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.

 Dashofpepper wrote:

locarno24 wrote:

And I also need to know if it is "realistic" for a 41st millennium space marine captain to have been alive in the 31st millennium, 10,000 years prior.

No. The only heresy-era marine still kicking on the loyalist side is Bjorn - that's why he's so significant.

Accidentally "wandering in to" Kelbor-Hal's workshop isn't terribly realistic - Mars was under navy blockade for most of the Heresy, and there was a massive civil war happening the whole time.

Getting into martian orbit saying "I'm here to see kelbor hal" means the imperial navy shoot your starship down, whilst entering mars' atmosphere saying "in service to the emperor" means your gunship gets vapourised by Olympus mons' forge defence grid.

The scouring of mars will have been something like 015.M31 - 014.M31 was the siege of terra.

Hmm.....I have some choices then that I'd welcome input on.

1. I either need to C.S. Goto and Matt Ward my way through that storytelling navigational minefield with some ridiculous dues-ex machina type events to put my captain onto Mars in time to kill Kelbor-Hal before the cleansing of Mars, or
2. I need a generic (or non-generic but non-canon-breaking) techpriest from another forgeworld that *does* exist in the 41st millennium - which is way outside of the realm of anything I know about.

From a story-telling perspective, I really *do* want to be able to tell it like a Lord of the Rings account, where Mount Doom is Olympus Mons and Kelbor-Hal is Sauron.


What about 41st Millennium mars? I couldn't find any references to Olympus Mons post-heresy, and the canon on "Who's who" seems pretty fixed; with the current fabricator-general in rivalry with another guy who Guilliman doesn't like. I can't swoop into the middle of that Canon and drop a powerfist...which is why I liked the unknown ending of Kelbor-Hal in the 31st millennium.

How much is it important to you that the forge in question is still there? Because obviously, Mars aside, most traitor forges end up as smoking craters. Forges where an angry marine captain has kicked off on one, doubly so...

If that doesn't matter too much, then any number of forges can be found atop volcanoes, because (a) it looks bad-ass and the rule of cool supersedes physics in 40k, and (b) geothermal energy and rare minerals delivered in molten form directly to the surface make it less stupid than it sounds.

Mezoa is a very volcanic world - having a single forge on the world be corrupted by a dark mechanicus cult, be exposed by a marine captain coming to have a weapon commissioned and then get righteously smashed to crud by him and the combined taghmata of the rest of the world (note that Mezoa is unusual in not having a titan legion there) is not unreasonable

Personal theory here, but I don't think it ever did, I just think the loyalist adeptus took over and the traitors just went under ground, probably literally in some cases, I mean given that Mars is a death world for all intents and purposes it would be fairly easy for a heretek magos to hide out potentially forever.

I can't imagine it being long after the end of the siege of Terror.
I don't think it's ever been documented, but I can imagine the more forward thinking elements of the dark mechanicus abandoning Mars as soon as they learned that the rebellion was lost, to avoid the wrath of the Ultramarines. Most likely 14M31


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I mean Cawl was a techpriest who survived into the 41st millennium, but he was pretty exceptional.
I don't think it would be..particularly
.. canon breaking for this story to be told by a particularly ancient Dreadnought.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
I can't imagine it being long after the end of the siege of Terror.
I don't think it's ever been documented, but I can imagine the more forward thinking elements of the dark mechanicus abandoning Mars as soon as they learned that the rebellion was lost, to avoid the wrath of the Ultramarines. Most likely 14M31


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I mean Cawl was a techpriest who survived into the 41st millennium, but he was pretty exceptional.
I don't think it would be..particularly
.. canon breaking for this story to be told by a particularly ancient Dreadnought.

Where I'm running into trouble here is the attempt to keep it consistent with a Lord of the Rings type story.

1. This picture is Captain Irascus.
2. I haven't yet decided if he should be Captain "Grundlesmasher" Irascus, or if he should be Captain Irascus, and his unique rocket-propelled Thunderhammer should be named "Grundlesmasher."
3. This whole fiasco started with someone telling me that my Angry Marine Captain shouldn't be wearing a cape. That's this post.
4. I can't uncape the model.
5. I got to thinking about why my model should be wearing a cape.
6. Someone wrote me a fantastic story that explains why he has a cape. Read the top couple of comments and the rich lore that was created.

I'm trying to turn it into actual lore now, minus all the cursing. =D


Alright, first attempt:

Galadriel wrote:
In the land of Mordor, in the fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged in secret a Master Ring to control all others. And into this ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.

In the Gothic Sector of Segmentum Obscurus, on the Secundus-I grade Forge World of Mezoa, the newly self-appointed Techpriest-Captain Irascus forged in secret a Thunderhammer to humble all others. And into this weapon he poured his anger, his rage, and his unbridled desire to dickpunch heretics.

One by one the enemies of THE EMPRAH fell to the power of the Grundlesmasher.
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Now I need help figuring out the name of Mezoa's "Mount Doom" and a likely name for a techpriest, or a fabricator-general (unless the only fabricator-generals allowed are on mars). I can write the story but I'm terrible with coming up with names.

Applicato handwavium.

"A wizard/the Warp did it."

Damn. Got tricked into thinking this was a serious lore post. Curse you internet.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Damn. Got tricked into thinking this was a serious lore post. Curse you internet.

It was. I wanted to get some reasonable end dates for the heresy on Mars so that I could insert some personal fluff into it. The community was pretty adamant that I shouldn't try interacting with Canon events or people.

We will likely get those answers in either the closing of the HH series of novels or the Scouring sequel series that is no doubt coming. As for you wanting to write a story that interacts with a major figure from the HH, yea I'm not a big fan of that.

I get wanting to write an interesting story for Your Dudes, but having actual canon characters be more than ancillary to the story is boring. Your basically using them as a crutch to hold up your dudes, don't do that.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
We will likely get those answers in either the closing of the HH series of novels or the Scouring sequel series that is no doubt coming. As for you wanting to write a story that interacts with a major figure from the HH, yea I'm not a big fan of that.

I get wanting to write an interesting story for Your Dudes, but having actual canon characters be more than ancillary to the story is boring. Your basically using them as a crutch to hold up your dudes, don't do that.

Fine fine. Still in the veins of LOTR story-telling, my second draft:

203.M41: Of the Quest for the ThunderStorm Hampter

The year 203 of the 41st Millennium. Here follows the account of Tempernius Irascus, TechPriest-Captain of the 3rd Company, “EMPRAH’S FUREH," Angry Marines Chapter and the finding of the Thunderstorm Hampter©. “It has come to me, the Thunderstorm Hampter©. It shall be an heirloom of my company. All those who follow my geneseed shall be bound to its fate, for I shall risk no hurt to the Grundlesmasher©. It is precious to me, though I buy it with great rage. The blood along its haft begins to dry. The lubricant oil of Forge Master and Senior tech-priest Anvilus Kustovus, which at first covered this weapon in an oily sheen, has all but disappeared – a secret now that only I can tell.


202.M41: A Heretek Discovered, and a new Tech-Priest Unleashed

Captain Irascus arrived on this volcanic world of Mezoa in search of Forge Master Anvilus Kustovus, famed artisan of Thunderhammers. Mezoa is a Secundus-I grade Forge World in the Segmentum Obscurus that weathered the storm of traitor legion blockades and invasions by literally tossing kilometer-long sections of hardened magma at incoming void ships hard enough to break them. In the campaign of Mezoa, the shattered legions fought a last, desperate battle to deny Horus its famed resources and slow the traitor march to Terra. It is to this proud world of rich history and faith to the Emperor that Captain Irascus has come; this volcanic and unstable forge world that is home to the Magos, to forge a weapon worthy of smiting the enemies of THE EMPRAH and continuing their proud tradition.

Captain Irascus traveled to the tallest peak of the largest volcano, into the Forge Temple of the Tech-Priest he had sought, and was honored to be received by Forge Master Anvilus Kustovus himself. Captain Irascus explained his need – a technological fusion of a storm bolter and a thunderhammer that would let him wield his Thunderhammer in a two-handed grip while maintaining ranged fire superiority. The Forge Master refused. Captain Irascus made an impassioned plea for this weapon – a combi-stormbolter-thunderhammer – a Thunderstorm HammerBolter – as a critical aspect to protect the Imperium and the EMPRAH from heretics.

Forge Master Anvilus Kustovus showed his true intentions then. He refused again, denying the will of THE EMPRAH. His was not the anvil upon which the tools of the EMPRAH’s GLORIOUS WARRIORS are fashioned, but the dull, cold block of metal that crafts the tools of heresy. This man, this Forge Master of Mezoa…was an unsanctioned heretek. Captain Irascus had no choice. He angrily punched the heretek forge master so hard that Forge-Master Anvilus Kustovus shattered into a variety of household appliances. Captain Irascus took up the red cloak of the fallen Tech-Priest and proclaimed, “BY THE WILL OF THE EMPRAH, I’M THE TECHPRIEST NOW, AND THE OMNISSIAH’S WILL BE DONE!!”


202.M41: The Forging of the ThunderStorm Hampter and the Growing Legend of “GrundleSmasher.”

In the Gothic Sector of Segmentum Obscurus, on the Secundus-I grade Forge World of Mezoa, the newly self-appointed Techpriest-Captain Tempernius Irascus forged in secret a Thunderhammer to humble all others – a Thunderstorm Hampter. And into this weapon he poured his anger, his rage, and his unbridled desire to dickpunch heretic and heretek alike.

The fallen Forge Master’s forge complex cycled up its defensive weaponry to punish the slayer of their fallen master, but Captain Irascus’s unquenchable fury at the presence of a rogue heretek on a loyal world was beyond reason. One by one the enemies of THE EMPRAH fell to the power of what would become known as “The Grundlesmasher” as Captain Irascus fought his way out of the forge complex with his newly forged Thunderstorm Hampter©, wearing the cloak of the slain techpriest as a grisly trophy.


203.M41: Of Capes, Angry Marines, and TechPriest Robes

Some have put forth the opinion that Angry Marines don’t wear capes. The only cape wearers are Ultramarine drama queens, Chaos Edgelords, and those emo Eldar sissies. Some have even opined that Captain Tempernius Irascus can't be an angry marine simply by the virtue of him wearing his looted techpriest robe.

A note from the artist on this hypothesis:

 Vyler wrote:


IT'S A WHOLE CHAPTER PRIMARILY MADE UP OF BALD, INCOHERENTLY ANGRY PSYCHOPATHS! IT NEEDS TO BE EASY TO SEE WHICH BALD, SCREAMING ER IS IN CHARGE. ALSO THE CAPE IS MADE OF MOTHER ING ADAMANTINE WEAVE, SO YOU CAN STRANGLE A CARNIFEX WITH IT IN A PINCH, OR FILL IT WITH DOORKNOBS AND PLUG YOUR POWER WEAPON INTO IT. ING PRESTO: THE ADAMANTINE SACK OF POWER DOORKNOBS.

IN CLOSING, STOP HAVING WRONG OPINIONS!!

As Vyler so eloquently stated, that looted Techpriest robe is not a cosmetic affectation, it is doubles as wargear should Techpriest-Captain Tempernius Irascus find the need to strangle a Carnifex with it in a pinch, among other utilitarian features. That techpriest robe *has* been used to strangle things.

Wargear Entry: Looted Cloak of "I'M THE TECHPRIEST NOW"

By the time Captain Irascus - the newly self-appointed Techpriest - had broken in his newly forged Thunderstorm Hampter© "GrundleCrusher" on a bloody path out of the forge complex of the former Magos, the last and greatest defender of the forge complex had prepared to exact bloody vengeance. Irascus paused at the entrance of the forge complex as he realized his looted techpriest cloak had a unique smell. "THIS TECHPRIEST RAG SMELLS LIKE A BROKEN RHINO ENGINE BEING SPREAD ON PLAIN WHITE TOAST!" As he wiped the blood and gore from Gundlesmasher© off on his new cloak, a shadow fell across the entrance.

The Dominus-class Knight "Saint Angron's Revenge" of the Questor Traitoris opened fire, spewing death across the volcanic cave opening that housed the entrance to the former Forge Master's complex. Captain Irascus rolled for cover, voxxing an orbital command to his ship to teleport an Angry Marine Launcher to his location. As the teleportation trace flared to a thunderclap of displaced air, Irascus flung himself into the launcher, aimed for the cockpit of the momentarily blinded traitor knight, extended both middle fingers, and kicked the launch pedal.

He missed the cockpit.

Irascus did a quick mental trajectory calculation, lined up his Thunderstorm Hampter, and with the force of a speeding, bald, Thunderhammer wielding, Jump-pack boosted captain, he swung Grundlesmasher...into the groin of the knight. Metal rent open as Captain Irascus used Grundlesmasher like a can opener on a can of heresy. Looted cloak still in hand, Irascus literally punched his way through the crotch of the Knight, ripping out wiring, cabling, and the legs of the pilot within before climbing up the torso, wrapping his looted cloak around the Knight's head, and angrily strangling the knight.

As the Knight collapsed to the ground, leaking mechanical and biological fluid from the mortal wounds caused by the ball-bashing force of Grundlesmasher, Captain Irascus bellowed the immortal words of his furious company: SEMPER ING IRATUS!!

Armed with his Thunderstorm Hampter and his knight-killing techpriest cloak, Captain Irascus and his third company "EMPRAH'S FURY" maintain the EMPRAH'S VIGILANCE, always prepared to find and fight heresy. Especially with dickpunches.


Techpriest-Captain Tempernius Irascus and his Angry Marine stat-lines and wargear can be found here.




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It just would have been REALLY cool to portray Kelbor-Hal like Sauron in LOTR, with Olympus Mons as Mt. Doom.