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As some of you might know, I’m making a concerted effort not only to get back into actually gaming, but to a level where I can give a good showing at organised events.
Whilst plans continue apace, I today realised that I’ve absolutely no point of reference for the sort of forces I might expect to face across the board.
That of course is where this thread comes in. Doesn’t matter where your experience comes from. Not only can beggars not be choosers, but it’s not of real import, as I’ll be playing all sorts of games, against as wide a variety of opponents as I can manage.
So as per the title, has 8th Ed introduced any kind of baseline experience I can plan for? I know certain lists are notorious - but not if they’re actually terribly common etc.
Ladies and Gents, your input please.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: So as per the title, has 8th Ed introduced any kind of baseline experience I can plan for? I know certain lists are notorious - but not if they’re actually terribly common etc.
If you cannot one shot a Knight Castellan with a 3++ save, you won't win a game, period.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: So as per the title, has 8th Ed introduced any kind of baseline experience I can plan for? I know certain lists are notorious - but not if they’re actually terribly common etc.
If you cannot one shot a Knight Castellan with a 3++ save, you won't win a game, period.
It's viable to play a list that can just ignore it, yes?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: So as per the title, has 8th Ed introduced any kind of baseline experience I can plan for? I know certain lists are notorious - but not if they’re actually terribly common etc.
If you cannot one shot a Knight Castellan with a 3++ save, you won't win a game, period.
One shot? Not necessarily. But I’m packing three Manticores, so I should be able to squish one turn one
But I’m more interested in whether peeps are taking much in the way of infantry, and whether they’re typically exploiting ObSec type stuff.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
As some of you might know, I’m making a concerted effort not only to get back into actually gaming, but to a level where I can give a good showing at organised events.
Whilst plans continue apace, I today realised that I’ve absolutely no point of reference for the sort of forces I might expect to face across the board.
That of course is where this thread comes in. Doesn’t matter where your experience comes from. Not only can beggars not be choosers, but it’s not of real import, as I’ll be playing all sorts of games, against as wide a variety of opponents as I can manage.
So as per the title, has 8th Ed introduced any kind of baseline experience I can plan for? I know certain lists are notorious - but not if they’re actually terribly common etc.
Ladies and Gents, your input please.
Just make sure you have the tools you need to win games. No matter what army you take, there will always be bad matchups (and good matchups). When you get a good matchup, you try to get as many VPs as possible, and it's the same with bad matchups, even if you can't kill everything, if you score enough points you may be fine. That usually means don't skimp on the boots and the ground, and learn how to use them well.
The rest really depends on the army you take. Every army can 'suprise' the so called 'pundits' by doing better than expected. That is usually accomplished by someone who knows their army inside and out, and knows the game and missions and how to maximize VPs throughout 3-8 games in a tournament. It may be a powerful feeling to take strong meta lists, but it's an even better feeling to beat those lists with one that should have been steamrolled.
You have a couple options 1) jump into the meta with similar lists (guard+knight+something else, or Eldar, or Orks with Lootas/Gretchen, etc) and just try to outplay others in the meta. Or 2) find a niche that may turn the meta on it's head. Like not taking any multi-wound models (except characters) to make all those anti-knight weapons people are packing around essentially useless, for example. Or Horde guard/mechanicum and a bunch of assassins to win on objectives and take out buffing characters, etc.
Neither option is right or wrong, but just keep in mind that it isn't all about the list, the philosophy behind the list matters too.
Sometimes, you just gotta take something cause the model is freakin cool...
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: So as per the title, has 8th Ed introduced any kind of baseline experience I can plan for? I know certain lists are notorious - but not if they’re actually terribly common etc.
If you cannot one shot a Knight Castellan with a 3++ save, you won't win a game, period.
:eyeroll:
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
They made an animated re-boot. It's not nearly as good as the original, but I do feel it is at least a decent successor.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: As some of you might know, I’m making a concerted effort not only to get back into actually gaming, but to a level where I can give a good showing at organised events.
Whilst plans continue apace, I today realised that I’ve absolutely no point of reference for the sort of forces I might expect to face across the board.
That of course is where this thread comes in. Doesn’t matter where your experience comes from. Not only can beggars not be choosers, but it’s not of real import, as I’ll be playing all sorts of games, against as wide a variety of opponents as I can manage.
So as per the title, has 8th Ed introduced any kind of baseline experience I can plan for? I know certain lists are notorious - but not if they’re actually terribly common etc.
Ladies and Gents, your input please.
I have no idea. The meta varies widely by area. Recently, playing Sisters, I've lost a 1.5k game against Tau [fielding a Riptide, some Broadsides, some Coldstar Commanders, and some Fire Warriors], won 2 1k games against Imperial Guard [fielding Tank Commanders, Basilisk, and a pile of Infantry], lost a 2k team game against Guard+Custodes [same guard, plus Custodes jetbike captain and custodes line infantry], and won 1.5k games against Tyranids [Warriors, Carnifexes, Flyrants, Genestealer] and Space Marines [something mostly forgettable].
Prior to that, I went largely undefeated for like 30 2k games in the league at my home store, mostly against Chaos Space Marines [fielding lots of cultists, obliterators, daemon princes, plus the odd predator, berserker, and rubric squad] and Space Marines [frequently with Guilliman]; with a decent number of games against Guard and Knights+Guard+Space Marines.
Most people's lists I see look remarkably the same in-faction. There's the one Chaos player who fields CSM and Predators instead of cultists, the one Eldar player with strange mono-aspect-cult lists, but otherwise most Space Marine lists are reasonably similar, most Guard lists are reasonably similar, etc.
One store I play at is mostly populated by Chaos Space Marines and Marines. There's like 50 people in the league, but most don't show up on any given day, so I don't have a good count. There are a couple of Ork, Guard, and Tyranid players, like 2 Tau players and Necron players, and 1 Dark Eldar player. I see a lot of Imperial/Chaos Knights on the tables, but not always facing me.
The other store seems to have much fewer people, with a more even distribution of factions.
Personally, I play Guard and Sisters mostly, with Space Wolves on the sad shelf and a pool of Custodians to tack in when I want to be mean.
Battalion Guard [Emperor's Fist]
Tank Commander [Hammer]
Tank Commander
Infantry
Infantry
Infantry
Battalion Guard
CC [Warlord]
CC Infantry
Infantry
Infantry
I'm on the fence about dropping the Seraphim. They haven't achieved anything, lately, period, but they're my favorite infantry models in the game. I could replace them with Meltagun Dominions or with a Manticore or Basilisk. I've had an issue with my meltagun teams in the last few games where I've rolled 4 1's while bailing out of my tanks, so there's that too, but if I drop them then my list will just be Guard+Exorcists.
My 2k Guard list
Spoiler:
Supreme Command Guard [Emperor's Fist]
Tank Commander [Hammer]
Tank Commander
Tank Commander
Shadowsword
Battalion Guard
CC [Warlord]
CC Infantry
Infantry
Infantry
Infantry
I'm considering dropping or downgrading my heavy weapons, and maybe some infantry, for another Basilisk or Wyvern, but I really only need one of each to take maximum advantage of the Emperor's Wrath formation and I'm not sure how I'd feel about less infantry, and the lascannons have done work since they're unassuming compared to the tanks and tend to live for a while. I'm also considering dropping the heavy weapons to buy more infantry and a priest, to make the infantry scarier and give me better board control.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Which means lots of space Marines or chaos Marines. Because this is a game for 13 year old boys who want to be poqer armored super men and aren't quite sure what to make of girls and would prefer to avoid the whole issue.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: So as per the title, has 8th Ed introduced any kind of baseline experience I can plan for? I know certain lists are notorious - but not if they’re actually terribly common etc.
If you cannot one shot a Knight Castellan with a 3++ save, you won't win a game, period.
One shot? Not necessarily. But I’m packing three Manticores, so I should be able to squish one turn one
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: So as per the title, has 8th Ed introduced any kind of baseline experience I can plan for? I know certain lists are notorious - but not if they’re actually terribly common etc.
If you cannot one shot a Knight Castellan with a 3++ save, you won't win a game, period.
One shot? Not necessarily. But I’m packing three Manticores, so I should be able to squish one turn one
But I’m more interested in whether peeps are taking much in the way of infantry, and whether they’re typically exploiting ObSec type stuff.
Yes. Guardsmen. Lots of Guardsmen.
You see, 30 Guardsmen and 2 CC's are 180 points, total. Even if the Guardsmen were total trash, that would be good, because it would be 5CP for 180 points. However, guardsmen, while individually very weak, are also very cheap, and per point are actually quite durable, making swarming objectives with guardsmen a more than viable approach to taking objectives.
Guardsmen don't really have a CP support cost [in part because there's not really any actually useful stratagems to use on them], like Knights or Blood Angels or most other good things, generate CP easily, and are excellent objective-capturing units.
Also, 3 Manticores won't wipe out a Knight.
Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!